Anti-Chop Bolt for angel

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I just got confirmation that Jam enterprises has a working prototype of an anti-Chop bolt for the angel (LCD/IR3) the design keeps changing so it won't be for sale to the public for another 6 months at least.

I decided that I was going to make a prototype of my own following the design they layed out when they built their anti-jam Autococker bolt.

I'll try to post pics (they may be a little hard to understand)

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here's a pic

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another

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cut away of the bolt

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anatomy of the bolt

[wdp child]

I dont know why but Im just not seeing this in my angel.

[Target]

WDP Child, Please hold you insanely demented comments until the topic actually starts, I mean seriously, no one likes a pecimest. so stop being such a Nay Sayer, or I will start calling you negative nancy.

[wdp child]

Why dont you shut your hole wang chung. I cant see it because of the horible diagrams. Its not my fault you cant make it clear enough for me to understand how that thing is gana fail and not work.

[Prophet]

Only waring. No Flaming.

[warpedx]

I remember them saying they were working on an angel bolt back at caljam, though I think it was only on paper at that point.
The biggest problem with an angel anit chop bolt is the limited amount of free space you have to work with. To get it right, you're gonna have to balance out the room the spring takes up with the room for airflow through the bolt. Once you get your measurments down, you'll have to find the right strength spring. Too hard, the ball breaks anyways. Too soft, and the bolt could get out of alignment in rapid fire, from the spring not being able to keep up with the changing momentum. This is where the cocker had the advantage, with its break between the bolt forward motion and the firing moment, There was a time tolerance for the bolt to catch up.

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Warpedx, I noticed the same thing about the spring and the limited free space to design such a prototype. In my opinion, finding the right spring is the biggest obstical JAM enterprises will have to over come.

Oh, and thank you Prophet_autarkis for silencing negative nancy.

[gremlin75]

I cant wait to see it. I have a Jam bolt for my cocker and love it. If Jam can get it to work as good as the cocker bolt then Im getting one for my IR3 and LCD. But like what was alreafdy said. There isnt a lot of space in the bolt to realy put to much extra in it. We'll all just have to wait and see

later
gremlin

[Bubbajr.]

wahoo can we preorder. I have been looking at cobra bolts but I will wait for this. Better work. Not to be a dumby but does anyone know where I can find out more about the anti chop eye or ace. I try searching and it needs to be more than three letters.

[angel2k3boy]

wont a spring also wear out after a long time?

[gremlin75]

Thats like saying wont the valve spring wear out. Of course it will. That is after an insane amount of use. You figure that the spring is really only getting used a couple times per case of paint you put through it.

later
gremlin

[bacon bitz]

This bolt seems like a good idea, but too bad I don't chop now with sensi on anyways...

[captncrunch]

it does wonders for cockers, if I still had my angel I'd get one.

[Jim@ImpactPaintball]

good idea but i think as the properties of inertia state

objects in motion tend to stay in motion, objects at rest tend to stay at rest

the only thing i can come up with that could potentially be a flaw is that the spring has to be light enough to "pinch" a ball but the gun is so fast and the ram is so powerfull i think the bolt wouldnt travel 100% of the distance and the ram would hit the valve before the bolt was completely over the exhaust port.


it makes sense in my dome, any takers on that one?

[warpedx]

That is the design issue I posted about on the first page. In effect, the bolt would be out of sync with the ram. That is the trick, to choose a spring that gives enough to pinch a ball, but still keeps up with the fast cycling of the ram.

[gremlin75]

well you figure the angel ram acts just like the cockers. the cocker closes at the same presure at it opens at (cocks) Ive cranked the cocking pressure of my autococker way up and never had a problem with it. Really if the bolt slides smoth it should be fine. Its just amatter of how much friction is put on the bolt. to much and you're going to have problems

later
gremlin

[Jedrith]

There's got to be more friction on a cocker bolt as most of them are made of aluminum. Would this angel bolt be able to be made out of delrin? I mean could you even mount this anti-chop aparatus?

[cody11scrappy]

i dont see why anyone wants one cuz my angels doesnt break paint and i figure that your alls doesnt too, and if it does, then you got ripped off when you bought your angel

[gremlin75]

Jedrith: the jam bolt for the cocker comes in delrin so yes it would be Delrin. The anti-chop aparatus is the bolt its self. All you would have to do is take out your bolt and put the jam bolt in to mount it.

cody11scrappy : My angl doesnt break paint either. However it does chop from time to time. It usaly chops when ever I need it not to also. The bolt isnt made to more gentle on the ball(as far as firing it) but rater to stop on a half loded ball so it does nto chop it in half.

later
gremlin

[Jim@ImpactPaintball]

why dont we just have a switch at the very top edge of the bolt and if it gets activated (pinches)....it tells the board to reverse the flow to the 14way and it will pull the ram back real quick


in theory that would be tight, lol

[warpedx]

Hmm, would take some doing to get it in the right place. With HALOs, the next ball is somewhat in the breech already, so the bolt is pushing past it as it goes forward. It would have to be a pressure sensor more than a switch.

[Jim@ImpactPaintball]

what about a pressure sensitive tab, kind of like a ball detent.

like a ball bearing with a spring behind it...

like on the dye cockers' bolts how its twist lock, it wont twist on its own but with the slightest pressure it will push the bearing back

[cody11scrappy]

gremlin- just get a faster hopper

[cody11scrappy]

"like a ball bearing with a spring behind it" isnt that that what a ball dentent is anyway.

[gremlin75]

Originally posted by cody11scrappy
gremlin- just get a faster hopper

Thanks....I'll do that. :rrrright: :rollseyes

later
gremlin

[Jim@ImpactPaintball]

Originally posted by cody11scrappy
"like a ball bearing with a spring behind it" isnt that that what a ball dentent is anyway.

it just so happens that the angel utilizes the same idea in the design of its detent...but a ball with a spring behind it is not necessarilly an anti double ball.... -.-