A.I.R. on Speed

[Casedogg]

Yo I just got my new silver Leopard AIR tank today and I was wondering what output psi do must of you guys run them at.I have a set of volumizers on my Speed as well.Thanks

[cryptonomicon18]

Well if you are running as a gas through, you should just adjust it to the desired velocity. Otherwise you should probably set the output to around 400 and if u start to get drop off raise it to like 500.

[tHa cLiPsE]

:repost:

[cryptonomicon18]

:dito:

[SkeL]

If you are running a gas through, I wouldn't recommend an input pressure of 400psi. Run a search "Casedogg", this has been answered before.

[Casedogg]

Should I back the screw on the mini reg flush and use the AIR to adjust velocity?My out put reading jump up and down maybe 20psi is that because the reg is freash and not broken in?If so how long does it take for these tanks to break in?

[Casedogg]

Ok i'll look again

[cryptonomicon18]

I was talking that if he is using a gas through u gotta adjust by velocity, probably end up around 200. But if using minireg, set to about 400 and adjust from minireg.

[cryptonomicon18]

Yeah, when ur air breaks in, you should get like +-1 or +-0 on the chrono.

[RyanR]

sorry i figured this would be the best place to post the question.
How long does it take to break it in and whats the best way?

[yzrm1]

Originally posted by RyanR
sorry i figured this would be the best place to post the question.
How long does it take to break it in and whats the best way?

around a half a case, to a case of paint, the best way to break it in is by shooting the marker, I heard of some people swiching up the output pressure on the A.I.R. as well, I would just keep it steady.

[MooShoo1717]

post whores!!! edit your posts people!! Any way, to answer your question put your tanks output to 400 and change velocity with mini reg. If you have a gas through then you tanks output to reach your velocity.

[SkeL]

Why do you have Bob Long's Skull in your avatar?

[peejii]

Remember to change your AIR's springs to LP configuration.
p-j

[tHa cLiPsE]

Originally posted by SkeL
Why do you have Bob Long's Skull in your avatar?

Yea, WTF? This is the WDP site fool. You own an angel, you represent an angel, not bob long.

[cryptonomicon18]

mooshoo ur the post whore b/c u just restated exactly what was said twice.

[Badger]

you guys are all post whores.......whoops that makes me a post whore for posting this, lol.

[RyanR]

Im sorry you guys are offended by an avatar, i didnt know just because i own an angel means everything i do resolves around WDP.
If its that big of a deal ill change it

thank you yzrm1 for answering the questions

[theunseen]

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[JT2002]

hey RyanR, where did u get that avvy? do u know how to change the pixel size of it?

[TNS2k2]

Sorry to bring this back on topic but, i may be aquiring an Angel AIR and i want to know if that, they display the low pressure setting now? it will display "Lo-P" as the output pressure until it is above 198psi. this is what Wolverine said on his Impulse FAQ thread, but i dont know if it was an old tank. I remember seeing a video of a speed on AIR and it was at 192psi and the LCD said that.

[TNS2k2]

It looks like I am trading for this Angel AIR now, and it is an older reg on it, so what does that really mean? what are the differences between new and old? and does it matter? anyways... im still curious as to will it display "lo-p" if i am running it as the primary reg on my speed, with a WS shank volumizer. i kinda like to know what it runs at, and below 198 they said "Lo-P" as i read. also, i would like to know what i have to do to make the tank run that low, something about a spring stack?

thanks,
TNS2k2

[garfieldz32]

If reads Lo-P below 198 for Total TANK PRESSURE.

It will read Lo-P below 100 psi for Output pressure.

I have an older system w/out the extra hump on the front of reg and this is how it reads.

Hope that helps.

[TNS2k2]

yeah it does, thats cool, thanks. But is there any performance differances between new and old? or what other diffs. are there? I cant wait to get it, its going on the Speed Demon i want! and maybe i will get the A4 board later on too. its the A4 Demon!

[garfieldz32]

From what I have heard, the newer AIRs run better at low pressure (UNREGULATED)... meaning Gut your reg.

I have never tried to run my older style AIR straight without a vertical grip Reg.

Should be Pretty safe on the AIRs b/c if a seal blows it will vent at around 700 psi... on LCD / IR3s that is SAFE)... however in a SPEED or A4, that is a problem if the LPR doesn't handle that amount well....

[TNS2k2]

Can anyone confirm this rumor true or not? i want to use the AIR as the primary......

[smasher41]

the lpr will vent if over pressured :)

you should be fine. i personally see no reason to gut the speed reg, they work very well.

[garfieldz32]

So the speed reg has a lot bigger passages than the IR3?

I did some testing when I bought my IR3 and with a large faced gauge mounted on the SONIC ASA: Input from AIR at 500psi, 350psi to the marker from stock REG and fired away.

The gauge would dip as low as 200-250 psi and then recharge.

When I installed the MAC DEV Gladiator reg in the same fashion, same pressure, it would dip to around 300 psi and then recharge back to 350.

So from that point on, as consistent as my IR3 Reg was, I did not believe in its recharge capabilities and stuck it out with MAC Dev parts (although they weigh more).

Back To SPEED:

Thus, do you feel that the SPEED's Reg is much better flow (i.e. larger air passages, etc...)

Same Design?

[alphakry]

my current dilemma is that i own a maxflow- but may have an offer for a angel air ... hate to turn this into a comparison thread, but which tank do you like more on the speed? i'm not very knowledged on the A.I.R, being the only nitro tanks i've ever owned have been Maxflows

[garfieldz32]

Max Flows work great... I just don't like the bulkiness below the grip. However, when its time to clean and lube... maxflows have quite a bit of moving parts and seals.

Of course, there's the cons to the AIR also. 1) you need special tools to work on it. 2) always have to hit the button and wait for it to "boot" to see tank pressure. and the one that gets me most... 3) back off pressure before you fill. (it has been good to me as long as I fill real slow off of my HP scubas--then I don't back off the pressure)... but at any event game or field fills I turn my pressure back to zero.

My AIR isn't perfect... little gremlin leaks here and there, but for the level of consistency that I have achieved, I am yet to find a more consistent tank IMHO.... so I just deal with the little gremlins.


Hope that helps.

[outcast]

I'm trying to learn about AIR too, so I'll ask something here. What do you mean by turning down the pressure to fill? And why do you have to do this?

Thanks!

[garfieldz32]

From my experience, usually if you are below 1000 psi, you should fill rather slowly since I believe the fill port crosses the main seal. (the AIR manual available on this site states that you should turn off your AIR before filling).

I have found that below 1000, just go slow if you are filling it yourself from your own scuba tanks. However, if you are at a tourny or field... they may not have the patience or time since there is a line behind you... (so I would be safe and turn off the AIR).

In summation: you basically cause a leak in your main seal if system is aired (on) and you get "flash filled"

Hope that helps

[outcast]

So if you turn it off, you should have no problems?

[garfieldz32]

YEP! So for the slight inconvenience during fills...

It has been the most reliable and CONSISTENT setups I have had. (Coming from Mac Dev tanks, Flatlines, MaxFlows, and Centerflag Hyperflows)...

(Reliable as long as you turn it off during a fill)

[garfieldz32]

Oh, with the older style AIR regulators you can add the cobra on/off and that makes it a heck of a lot easier to shut down the system... (i.e. no tools)..

[outcast]

When you turn it off do you just hit the button, or do you have to de-gas and everything first?

[TNS2k2]

Well when i get my AIR, i am sending it off to get it turned into the new version. They replace the front end, and also do a LP rebuild or something along those lines. its about 50 bucks for it. then i am getting an Adrenalin Gas-Through...... anyone know how well those fit on a speed?

TNS2k2

[garfieldz32]

Outcast,

you need to "de-gas" each time... so b/c of this, a old style reg with the cobra On/Off (no tools) is what I prefer.

Until Cobra or someone else makes a on/off for the newer reg I will stick with my older style.

I think it is just a longer thumb screw, but I am not sure, so you might be able just to pick one up at HOME DEPOT or something.

Does any know if it is just a longer screw in the Newer style and that is why the cobra on/off screw won't work?

[impulsefreak101]

whats the difference beetween old and new style reggs, pics would be help full.