Cause for halo b + stock rise(high)=bad?!

[paintballaholick]

I was just thinkin about this last night as i was tryin to fall asleep(yes, i know its pathetic). Could the reason that the halo doesnt work well with the stock rise be the gated feed??:lost:

[tHa cLiPsE]

Naw... It's the springloaded tension the Halo puts on the balls+the thing that happens where one ball is half loaded in the chamber on Speeds... The TE software fixes this.

[SkeL]

Since when does the halo not work well? Can you elaborate/embellish on this? Gated feed is Completely useless for a halo, why would you use it? Take it off and save the membrane.

[paintballaholick]

all the threads say that the stock rise is horrible with the speed. Personnaly i dont know becasue the day i got my speed i purchased a low rise . The reason i did is beacsue people were sayin low rises are better!

[SkeL]

Originally posted by paintballaholick
Could the reason that the halo doesnt work well with the stock rise be the gated feed??:lost:

You stated that the halo doesn't work well with the stock rise, and I'm wondering why you would say that.

[paintballaholick]

becasue alot of other peopl said that it doesnt work well with such a high rise. If you read in the loaders forum u would see!

[BlueC&CIR3]

Originally posted by SkeL
You stated that the halo doesn't work well with the stock rise, and I'm wondering why you would say that.

There has been some reports with the halo b not work with the gated feed. The problem they are having is that it is double feeding the balls in the chamber. The reason for this is that the ball stack is too great and the pressure on the bottom ball is too strong for the dual angel detents to hold. The ball will slide pass the detent and allow another ball to partially enter the chamber causing you to chop.

While only a couple of people have had this problem, low rises seem to work perfect with halo b's on the speed. Also, the use of a ball stack so great is useless with a halo b to begin with. With the low rise, your ball stack is reduced and the pressure on the bottom ball is not nearly as much as it would be with a midrise (gated feed) or a high rise.

[Marbalfire]

i haven't had a problem with chopping because of a halo b on my speed and i still have the stock rise...but i wanna get a lowrise anyway. I just think a black lowrise would look hot.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by BlueC&CIR3
Also, the use of a ball stack so great is useless with a halo b to begin with. With the low rise, your ball stack is reduced and the pressure on the bottom ball is not nearly as much as it would be with a midrise (gated feed) or a high rise.

That's the most backward statement I've ever heard, no offense. The halo will feed faster with a lower rise. The higher the feedneck, the slower the feedrate. It's all physics. That's why this doesn't make sense to me. If you're having problems with gated feed, TAKE IT OUT. It's useless with a force fed hopper.

[BlueC&CIR3]

Originally posted by SkeL
That's the most backward statement I've ever heard, no offense. The halo will feed faster with a lower rise. The higher the feedneck, the slower the feedrate. It's all physics. That's why this doesn't make sense to me. If you're having problems with gated feed, TAKE IT OUT. It's useless with a force fed hopper.

sorry i wasn't as clear as maybe i should of been. I was just refering to the double feeding problems with that quote. I wasn't refering to the rate the halo b could feed. Your right though, if you have a gated feed and your having double feeding issues, then take off the gated feed and put on a lowrise.

I have no idea why you thought i was refering to the speed of the halo b, i was just refering to the pressure on the bottom ball in the bottom stack and how it was greatly reduced with a low rise.

[SkeL]

Lower pressure on bottom ball=lower pressure from drive cone= lower feedrate. You are still wrong. :) The lower the rise, the more pressure there is on the detents.

[asylumkid]

so what's the final outcome? is it the best to get a low rise? or will the stock be fine , and that includes the two main hoopers now. the evo2 and the halo b

[SkeL]

Originally posted by asylumkid
hoopers
Well, go with whatever "hooper" you want. I'm not going to stop you either way. Read pntballmatt's thread, it's good. My theory is, why use a huge rise when you can use a small one that has a smaller profile? Clamping lowrise + Halo B= Great combo. I've had zero problems with it.

[BlueC&CIR3]

Ok, first off is i have a halo b w/ a clamping low rise and it works awsome (just for the thread).

Skel i still can't understand what you are saying. I come back to the days i owned a matrix. I was looking into getting a halo b for the gun because i was outshooting my evo 2. One thing that all matrix owners said was "no-rises" worked much better with halo b's then with the stock high rise. People were having plenty of problems with the halo b double feeding on the stock rise.

There is only one explanation for this, and that is the ball stack on the stock rise produced way to much pressure on the bottom ball and thus made it slide pass the dual ball detents.

The drive cone is applying the same amount of pressure to each ball individually. So there is only one thing different between a high rise+halo b and a low rise+halo b; that being the ball stack and the reduced pressure on the bottom ball.

To confirm my theory on ball stack pressure. I believe Tempest on these forums did a test with halo b's w/ gated feed midrise and low rises.

Here is his test:
http://www.angel-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8913&highlight=low+rise+halo+b

[golobulus]

hey halo users out there, what mode do you have your sensi's set too? I heard that mode 4 is the best with the halo on the speed.

[tHa cLiPsE]

Originally posted by SkeL
theorey

Go with whatever "theorey" you want. ;-)

[SkeL]

Darn, now I have to edit my post. :(

[Badger]

well the drive on the halo b will put the same amount of pressure on each ball in the stack, but what no one has said yet is that with a higher rise, there are a couple more balls in the stack, and the weight of those extra balls adds to the pressure already exerted on the bottom ball by the halo. So yes, with a lower rise you have less pressure on the bottom ball. Plus who cares anyways, in the least it lowers your profile so that alone is enough reason to have a low rise. Even though we have had nasty arguments before, this time I do agree with BlueC&CIR3.

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by SkeL
Well, go with whatever "hooper" you want. I'm not going to stop you either way. Read pntballmatt's thread, it's good. My theory is, why use a huge rise when you can use a small one that has a smaller profile? Clamping lowrise + Halo B= Great combo. I've had zero problems with it.


stop making the old man cranky

think about it. the halo has too much force. a longer feed gives it more tourque, have you ever used a rachet set?(i dont know how to spell rachet) anyway, if you need more torque, you add a higher adapter to the bit.

[BlueC&CIR3]

Originally posted by Badger
well the drive on the halo b will put the same amount of pressure on each ball in the stack, but what no one has said yet is that with a higher rise, there are a couple more balls in the stack, and the weight of those extra balls adds to the pressure already exerted on the bottom ball by the halo. So yes, with a lower rise you have less pressure on the bottom ball. Plus who cares anyways, in the least it lowers your profile so that alone is enough reason to have a low rise. Even though we have had nasty arguments before, this time I do agree with BlueC&CIR3.

thanks badger, thats exactly what i was trying to say.

[SkeL]

Ok, answer this question to the best of your knowledge.

Will the halo's feedrate decrease the higher the feed neck?

I'm not preaching to use the stock feed tube, I think it's too tall. Get a low-rise and eliminate any problems you think the halo is giving you.

[Badger]

I dont think it will....but not sure

[dark2k2LCD]

or get an egg

[Badger]

see BlueC&CIR3 we can be friends now