halo or evo

[pntbalmatt]

I'm not sure if this is a repost. If it is, deal with it. Which is cooler for a speed, halo or evolution?

[j0hn]

my egg keeps up fine for me, but some people would rather have that extra BPS. It's more of what's in your pocket imo

[SphynX]

Halo is faster and weighs more

Evo weighs is slower but lighter. Its really your choice but most people can outshoot the evo.

[Huppa]

i was just shootin my ir3 the other day with an egg and i chopped after 10 balls...bad paint maybe gotta try some field play to make a real suggestion...i have both egg and halo...dont use halo often unless trying to impress some hotty

[SkeL]

Originally posted by SphynX
Halo is faster and weighs more


BARELY. About 1 ounce heaver. If you can afford the halo, there's nothing better.

[asylumkid]

with the 6 batts. you haft to use in the halo?. lol, halo is wayyy heavyer than the evo2.

[Huppa]

asylum there have been studies and i think Skel is one of the people that did it...there is barely a difference in weight...do a search and you will see what i mean

[asylumkid]

nut just at a glance, can you see all the wireing and the large motor at the bottom of the halo then in goes the 6 batts? how can the halo be only ('' one once heavyer'' )?

[Huppa]

do a search and you will find in depth info on the weight differences...full and empty egg and halo

[dark2k2LCD]

right, so here you have two hoppers, about the same weight and speed, so:

DONT LISTEN TO ANYBODY!

there are no preformance differances. the speed dual detents so it doesnt have problems with double balling therefore:

you have to make a personal desicon, as far as do you want the hopper that holds more balls or less balls?

[Huppa]

well im gonna trust the guys that have put the time and effort into trying to find the weight differences and the ups and downs of each loader....halo holds less weighs slightly more, is smaller in my oppinion and feeds faster...egg is holds more weighs slightly less is a little larger ( in my oppinion ) and feeds slower...but is also set back more...

[Huppa]

when i say smaller and larger i mean the actual size not the weight

[matman1]

i had a halo but got rid of it for my evo and it was a good decision.....the halo holds such a smal lamount of balls that it gets very annoying......def go with the evo they are SOOOO much lighter and smaller

[asylumkid]

i rest my case

[Huppa]

well i dont care if your to stubborn to ignore the fact that the halo is slightly heavier than the egg but its does hold less balls...but it feeds very fast...i like the halo and the egg...they both have their differences...i can recognize that and i think everyone else should

[SkeL]

Ignorance is bliss isn't it? I made a thread posting actual facts on which is heavier.
http://www.angel-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9574
There's no need for stupid comments like " I rest my case" when you haven't proved anything. Have some facts before you make your statements . True, the halo is heavier, but only by a little over an ounce. Does that make a difference? Not in my mind. Like I said before, go with what you want, but if you want the fastest feeding hopper, and can sacrifice 20 balls, get the halo. You won't regret it.

I rest my case.

[pntbalmatt]

god damnit asylumkid, would you please stop posting? Your misspellings are so annoying, like to the point where I can only assume that you are completely ignorant of the English language and therefore did not complete any schooling above the third grade. Change your signature for God's sake.

Sorry, it's just annoying to see stupid people go unpunished.


To the rest of you, thanks for your help

[asylumkid]

wow i didn't know all this bashing came when you hade others disagree with your opinion. and to knock my sig,..... for shame. i mean i am haveing a hard time telling if pntbalmatt is from an insain asylum and is just lucky enough that they have the internet there, or if he is just a person that whacks off wayyyy to much and has nuthing else bettter to do other than to bash what other people say.

I rest my case, once again. ( That was for you skel. baby)

[dark2k2LCD]

if the flaming ever dies down, i would like to poin something out:
Originally posted by Huppa
egg is holds more weighs slightly less is a little larger ( in my oppinion ) and feeds slower...but is also set back more...
the Y-board, *if i am not mistaken* has been proven to feed 22bps consistenley. this is just as fast as a halo. i dont think you can tell a preformance difference in either

so once again it comes down to purley, preferance as far as shape and weather you want to hold more balls or less balls

[SkeL]

Even BE's box says 17bps, I'd like to see where you got this 22bps idea. Asylum, I have no problems with you, I'm just sorting out the facts. Matt has the tendency to wig out sometimes. :)

[deadeye_85]

Ive also heard that it can reach 22bps, but I didn't hear that it could maintain that consistently. From other sources ive seen that it can run at 20bps, yet BE say 17. I would think it can probably kick it at 18-19.

[asylumkid]

k skel, you cool wit me also.

[SphynX]

Yep, i think it (eggo) can keep up with 17+bps pretty easily. I just turned off sensi and walked it till my hopper went dry and not a single brake.

But the halo does rock. And before about saying it was heavier. It is, but not a whole lot, like most people say.

[pntbalmatt]

yea asylum, i masturbate too much and therefore get annoyed by your lack of an education. go to school, man.

[j0hn]

Isn't the evo supposed to keep constantly at 17 BPS with any battery, but a completely full battery can get more then that?

[Badger]

I say halo, like skell said I have no problem having 20 less balls. I don't have to wrry about outshooting any gun with that. That is the best thing, not having to worry about your hopper or have it limit your abilities by not keeping the feeding consistant. That one ball gap in a 20 bps string that a Eggo puts out could cost you a game, or you might have someone run through your string on the break. Also another point, like all BE loaders, the egg II waits untill the eye detects that a ball isn't there BEFORE it feeds, while the halo keeps constant pressure.

[punkd]

know i havn't used or talked with many people about the halo's all i here about his eggs and the only down fall with them i found from using them is that D A M N neck feed. that thing needs sanded and sanded, and like i said the halo may need the same thing i wouldnt know never used one.

[SkeL]

Sand it down, or get a clamping low rise. Halo is by far the best loader. Want to know why? The Egg2's ball motion design isn't as good as the halos. The egg2 will spin the rotor once It detects a gap in feeding, meaning a ball has fallen into the chamber. That delay gauses feed gaps.

The halo detects a change in shape of the paintball. When the paintball passes through or stops near the IR eyes on the halo, it sees that, and once the eyes detect a change in shape meaning motion, it starts spinning the cup and applying pressure. The egg2 has to actually have a gap before it can start feeding. It's a flaw in the design.

[tHa cLiPsE]

Originally posted by SkeL
Even BE's box says 17bps, I'd like to see where you got this 22bps idea. From the Y-Board dude....

[hybridd77]

halo fa life
but both look good and perform like a mutha you gotta try it on and see what you think is most comfortable

[SkeL]

http://www.angel-owners.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=60904&fullpage=1

[bacon bitz]

halo, they are slightly faster, i have an egg 2 with y-board, and i've tested it many times against different halo b's. each time pouring a pod into each hopper, and then filling the pod up again, my egg can basically keep up with a halo, but whoi knows, we didnt put fresh batteries in the halo, so i still say go halo

[Osmoosi]

As it's apparent both loaders work pretty darn well, and the original question was which one was cooler for a Speed.

If it's going to make or break your game if your hopper has one square inch more surface area, can't carry 20 balls more when it already keeps one pod in quite well, sits back or front or whatever, what freaking difference does it make?

This is starting to resemble the "Mag vs. Cocker" flamefests a few years back. Which were more like "My Mag vs. Your Cocker" anyway... But both loaders' ups and downs (real and imagined) are probably pretty clear by now, and it boils down to personal preference deciding which one to pick.

Just for the sake of difference though, I'll say that the coolest loader to slap on a Speed is clearly an Autofeed! Anyone saying anything different is obviously misinformed, and is challenged to a quickdraw with chicken eggs on the main street at sundown :)

[ghengis]

hehe all I know is that the halo B with TE softwares works great for me. Haven't broke a single ball in my speed since I first bought it. (closing in on a month, 2.5 cases of paint). Very fast, can't outshoot it at all. Halo also can shoot sideway.. for a few shot at least since its being forced in.

Now if only the future of halos allow us to shoot sideway, upsidedown etc... i'll be even more impress. Yes I have heard about the warp feed from AGD... not the point... now that's too heavy.

[Huppa]

well i just did buy my egg 2 y board and it reads right off the box 17 bps...i havent really heard it feeding any faster...i like both hoppers...i think you would do well with both

[Roy]

I just picked up an egg today . If you outshoot it then your dumb .
I mean come on 17 bps !! Do you really fire that fast !

[MooShoo1717]

You would be surprised at some of the bursts you can get with the speed. Its amazing.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by Roy
I just picked up an egg today . If you outshoot it then your dumb .
I mean come on 17 bps !! Do you really fire that fast !
I must have missed something here. IF I outshoot an egg2 I'm dumb? What about If I outshoot a halo, am I super dumb?

[JTp8ntballer12]

I like the evolution better

it holds more balls (i really like this)
set back (easier to run with, cary, wrap, and bnker with)
i dont like the angle the lid is on the halo- you have to reach up too much)
i cant shoot 20bps anyways (unless im sitting in my room fanning)
cheaper

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by SkeL
Even BE's box says 17bps, I'd like to see where you got this 22bps idea.

it said 17bps before the y-board. it still sayd 17bps even with the y-board. obviously, BE is a lazy company who can figure out how to change the box. REGARDLESS, they managed to buy an incredably fast, and well made hopper

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by SkeL
I must have missed something here. IF I outshoot an egg2 I'm dumb? What about If I outshoot a halo, am I super dumb?
no, because they feed at the same rate

[dark2k2LCD]

you can say what you want about me, but i can easily max out all red LEDS when sensi is off. and with sensi off, all the leds maxed is 22bps (confirmed by frazer), even when i held all the leds lit for periods of 5-6 seconds, i did not even hear a skip

[JTp8ntballer12]

Originally posted by dark2k2LCD
no, because they feed at the same rate

well said

[SkeL]

Originally posted by dark2k2LCD
no, because they feed at the same rate

Incorrect. Are you talking about that phony email from Frazer when he said all red led's =22bps with sensi off? That's the biggest BS I've ever heard. In that case, Frazer told me that If you buy a speed right now you get a free halo and freak kit with it. They also send a limo to your house to take you out for a night on the town. I got this email from Frazer himself. /end sarcasm :stupid: :lifeaway:

[dark2k2LCD]

ARE YOU KIDDING?

e-mail him yourself.

ask him how fast you're shooting if all the LEDs are lit up and sensi is off.

[JTp8ntballer12]

seems like a deal to me

[mook]

my dad put and intellifeed on my EVO2 and i have not been able to outshoot it yet even with trigger bounce. a couple of other guys on the team use it also

[dark2k2LCD]

really? the does the egg run off its own batteries?

[tHa cLiPsE]

All bow down it's TAG'S son...dum dum dum....dum dum dum BOW DOWN

[SkeL]

You probably haven't been able to outshoot it because you're using cops2/sensi. What do you shoot mook?

[dark2k2LCD]

skel, did you write frazer yet?

[SkeL]

No, give me his email, I'm too lazy to look it up.

[dark2k2LCD]

frazer@wdp.tv

[SkeL]

I'll let you know once I get a reply.

[tHa cLiPsE]

Skel, you are sure one cocky son of a ____. You will get proved wrong, for once!

[SkeL]

Originally posted by tHa cLiPsE
Skel, you are sure one cocky son of a ____. You will get proved wrong, for once!

I hope you're joking when you describe me as "cocky."

Here's Frazer's reply, I also asked him about Osmoosi's questions.


------ Yes it is accurate, why would it not be?


All the best,

Frazer Colley,

frazer@wdp.tv

WDP Ltd,

221 Mount st,

Nechells,

Birmingham,

B75QT,
England.
www.wdp.tv
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh [mailto:yostaownage@hotmail.com]
Sent: 26 June 2003 02:05
To: fcolley
Subject: Question about LED's



I'm a member of Angel-owners.com, and I have a question from the whole community. People were discussing the Speedometer on the Speed, and arguing over the LED's accuracy for actual rate of fire. Most users on the forum can light up all the LED's with sensi off and the MROF set to 22. I refuse to believe they are shooting 22bps. Possibly for an instant, such as 2 balls consecutively, but what about people that walk the trigger at about 16bps and all the LED's are lighted up? I would like to know the truth behind the LED's/speedometer, as I find it hard to believe that it's an truthful sign of how fast the user is shooting. Please give me any and all information you can.
--------------------------------------------------------------------


I asked him Osmoosi's SEnsi questions on a different email, I will post results once I get them back.
Obviously he's not lying to us, but I'm still sketchy on the LED issue. I asked him more specific questions in the same email I asked the SENSI questions with.

[SHREDDER 56]

We have both the egg and the halo's with the updated electronics, Did a number of tests with both and the halo outperforms the egg by at least 30%. Another plus about the halo is the warrenty. Any problems and they (Oddessey) really do stand behind there product. Halo does not hold as many balls and is heavier. You have to decide what is more important to your type of playing!

[tHa cLiPsE]

Halo= Back Player
Egg= Front Player

Just MHO.

[SHREDDER 56]

I believe tHa cLiPsE hit the nail on the hEaD!!!

[SkeL]

Get halo if you : Want the fastest hopper with no gaps, don't need to shoot a lot.

Get egg2 if you : Can't afford halo, or want to save money, want more balls=backplayer, want a good hopper at a good price.


MY opinion.

[tHa cLiPsE]

I believe SkeL missed the nail and hit his fInGeR!

[Fishsticks]

Originally posted by tHa cLiPsE
I believe SkeL missed the nail and hit his fInGeR!

I believe that YOU are being cocky.

[SkeL]

:dito:

[dark2k2LCD]

bottomline is it all depends on your personal preferance. i play front with an egg and my backman uses a halo. it may make sense for me to use my halo because it has a smaller profile, but i still prefer carring more balls. if i have an egg with 195 balls and the other front man has a halo with 150 balls, and both hoppers weigh the same, then neither prevents you from getting to the 50 more than the other. HOWEVER the person with the halo is gonna run out first giving me 45 balls to bunker him with.

here's your question- which are you more comfortable with sitting on your gun? if the egg is cumbersome then get a halo. if you run out fast than you would prefer, then get an egg.

[smasher41]

personally, looking at the clear halos and stuff i see areas that could ahve been cut down, or they possibly could ahve integrated the body molding into the tray part, drasically reducing the overall profile.

after using the egg 2 with its lid design, which i love, i found it very hard to load the halo as fast ( used it the same day to try out) and couldnt load up and dump a pod as fast, and when i play i like the be able to keep shooting as much as possible, not spending any time loading in my bunker :)


i prefer the egg 2, but recently traded for a 12vt old style rev with x board, it seems to work amazingly well with the turbo rev, and i now cna get the y board version :)

but on the otehr hand, i will also get a halo cause i need one to get a rof over 13 bps with my electro cockers...

i prefer the evo 2 simply for the lid design, coupled with grip tape i coudl get that sucker open sooo fast :)

[MooShoo1717]

Guys, Im thinking the ups and downs of both are:
Egg: More balls weight to back bigger profile, slower feed rate*
Halo B: Less balls weight more over center of marker. smalle profile, higher feed rate*

*Some people say that the egg /w y board is as fast as halo.

With this info i would say that the halo is better for a front player as long as you think you will be fine with the weight/amount of balls. It is force fead and this will alow you to be at different angels and it has a smaller profile. The egg is probably a better hopper if you really like the lid design or if you think you really want those couple more balls. Some people seem to say that keeps them from getting bunkered but if your back player covers you while you pod you should be fine. So i say, go halo. But maybe someone really likes how an egg feels on there gun and if it feels better then go for it cause thats what matters. As far as for a back player i woudl say what ever shoots faster for you* You will want to be able to lane. Also, since you need to keep people down the extra ball advantage might be nice with the egg.

[smartLCD]

HEY! i dont mean to kill this ..but why did they close my thread when i asked the same thing saying that it was a repost!? j/w....

[tHa cLiPsE]

You are the trash of Angel-Owners....we spit on you and therefore close your threads.

[pntbalmatt]

luck of the draw, I guess, and I'm just cool.

[smartLCD]

...clipse...? need i tell ur mom wat u said 2 me?

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by tHa cLiPsE
You are the trash of Angel-Owners....we spit on you and therefore close your threads.

hmmm, lets see.....i would have to say that most people got their angels how smartlcd did. they worked for them. you on the other hand are a 12 year old kid, who's mommy bought him his gun. you don't get to flame people. go to your corner

[RyanR]

ok heres the deal with these kinds of things...PERSONAL PREFERENCE! so many products, markers, gear etc. are based on this fact. When you ask people what they like better and base your decisions on other peoples, you will end up with stuff you dont like and you will regret buying it. Now im not saying this is always the case but it happens

My friends all like cockers and i ended up buying one of the
piece-o-sh*t, and i regret it with my life. i bought a ultra cold fusion which is a really expensive gun and now i lost a ton of money just trying to get rid of it for my SPEED DEMON :)

So just go to the store play around with stuff or at the feild and see what YOU like best.

[SD-Speed]

I would go with an egg2.

[Badger]

and I went with a HaloB.....would recommend it to anyone.

[smartLCD]

Halo b... BUt what then to the ppl that say that it will push past the ball detent? is it for sure , or should try it with my angel?

[Badger]

if you have a low rise speed with halo B, TE software (if you just bought a halo b it has the new software), no worries, it will not push past.

[Badger]

if you have an IR3 though it just might

[IR3Ballah]

But how much is the TE software???

[pntbalmatt]

$15, but you have to send it to odyssey

[Weavdogg62]

revy with x board

[pntbalmatt]

ha, what a bad idea...

[varT]

Just a suggestion, today I noticed my Egg II and my halo B were pushing the ball past the detents, so we investigated. It seams that the detents get jamed easily, as in not sticking out enough to touch the paint balls, so I took the detents apart and put a little grease in them, now they stay where they are supposed to. had such a bad day because of one jamed detent, so even if they look like they are fine, take'em out and see if they need some grease to help with movement.

[SkeL]

Check for paint inside them too. I clean mine after every day of play, I suggest you do the same. The greasing is a great idea., just not too much.

[Speedy_in_Blue]

In my opinion, HALO B's are much better than EVO II's, I just liked mine so much better than my old EVO II. Sold the HALO to get the EVO II to try it out, realized I like the HALO better sold the EVO II and now I am resorting to a Xboard until I can find a Halo B to get.

[Badger]

yeah Eggs cannot compare to Halo B's IMO, and when people complain about the halo holding less balls, that is BS because so what if it only holds 160 balls? Guess what, if you have an egg, when you reload that is only 140 or 150 balls (one pod of course), and unless you take the time to pull another pod to top it off, having room for 200 balls is not going to help at all, in fact it just makes for a bigger hopper to get hit. And also when backman egg users say "Oh, I need the extra balls off the break" that is BS too, because if you are shooting the lanes you want to be shooting as fast a string as possible so that they cannot get through it....and alot of people with speeds can outshoot an eggo....which means gaps in the string. I would much rather have a hopper that can keep a consistant flow of paint as fast as I need it....than have a hopper hold more paint, be a bigger target, sit way too high up, and not be able to keep up with my gun in the most furious of shooting situations. Plus Eggs break too easily, just my .02

[SkeL]

The egg2 with y board isn't "Crappy", but I have to go with Badger when he says it's not the highest quality loader.

[dark2k2LCD]

eggs dont break easily.

lets see a movie of a y-board getting out shot. if its done, then i bet the same guy can out shoot a halo

[Badger]

it is a fact that a Halo B will feed at a faster rate much more consistantly over long strings than an Egg2. If that is not so, I would like you to explain to me exactly how the egg does the same.....give a mechanical explanation.

[SkeL]

*Note to Badger: dark2k2lcd is infatuated with Egg2's. :)

[Weavdogg62]

im telling you if you play front try a revy I was very suprised.

[MooShoo1717]

Originally posted by Weavdogg62
im telling you if you play front try a revy I was very suprised.
.....my revy sucks a$$. I need a new loader.

[Badger]

lol skel I know....maybe he is pushing the Egg II so hard because he wants/needs to feel justified in his mind with his own hopper choice.....lol.

[varT]

Along with greasing the detents, I took them apart again today and stretched the springs out a little more than they were, works even better now, you can push it with your finger and it feel like its not to strong but comes back out easily.

[Seraphim]

Here’s my 0.02...

Our team used to use Halos all the time... now half use Eggs and half use halos. This is because most of us can out shoot eggs (but not halos) BUT the halos break all the time, so we rotate the Halos to our back players and use the more durable eggs up front where they take a beating. Personally, I play front but I would rather shoot a halo anyway and do so any chance I get.

Getting to the point...

It’s all personal preference; however it is my belief that the Halo B feeds more quickly and with greater consistency. I will give the Egg the prize for durability though, and it is shorter then the Halo by about 1/4th of an inch if you take about half an inch or so off the feed neck base.

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by Badger
lol skel I know....maybe he is pushing the Egg II so hard because he wants/needs to feel justified in his mind with his own hopper choice.....lol. you found me out. I constantly talk about he eggs in order to feel a sense of self-acceptance.

At my field, the the 3 of the regulars who have halos all have had major problems with the halos and needed to send the hoppers back at least twice each. one of the guys is sending the hopper back for the fourth time. On the other hand the obly problems anybody has had with an egg at my field, is a broken lid, but that is only because they are stupid and left the springs in.


I will admit that oddessey has MUCH better customer service than BE. Oddessey sent all three guys brand new hoppers. HOWEVER, the new hoppers broke.

[SkeL]

Please go into detail how these new hoppers were 'breaking'.

[pntbalmatt]

Originally posted by Seraphim
Here’s my 0.02...

[the egg] is shorter then the Halo by about 1/4th of an inch if you take about half an inch or so off the feed neck base.

Oh, so what you really mean is that the egg is about 1/4 inch taller. :doh:

[Seraphim]

Originally posted by pntbalmatt
Oh, so what you really mean is that the egg is about 1/4 inch taller. :doh:

Well, almost but what I really mean is that with a small adjustment the Egg has a shorter profile then the Halo. I was highlighting the potential of one system, not its default disadvantage. If you could chop some of the Halos neck off, well hot damn, id talk about that too, but as the Halo cracks enough as is... Anyway, if you cant handle a little sanding or some use of a dremel then a lot of the factors of paintball probably aren’t for you... or you shouldn’t worry about the detail of one loader verses another and just go play with a rental.

In my opinion the fact that you can adjust the length of the feed neck of the Egg with out greatly compromising its structural stability is an advantage it has over the halo... and if you don’t like the shorter neck, you can buy a new feed neck for like 5 bucks.

That said, I still like the halo more, so neh.

[dark2k2LCD]

Originally posted by SkeL
Please go into detail how these new hoppers were 'breaking'. i will have the details for you on monday; i am playing this sunday.

[jabbster]

The halo is nice, that is why I am getting one. The egg is nice that is why I have one. The halo is faster, I have used it and it is. The halo IMO is also better made. The egg holds more and that is an advantage. I can reload my friends halo faster or as fast as my egg. This is an advantage for the halo, but maybe it is just me. I am not a fan of the egg's lid. The halo is the best hopper money can buy, the egg is the best hopper for the money. Make your own decision.

Sincerely,

The jabbster

[Seraphim]

Well put.

[Weavdogg62]

revy with xboard try em

[SkeL]

I will not put any gravity fed hopper on my gun, unless my egg2 and halo go down. If I had the choice, it's going to be force fed.

[jabbster]

I totally agree, with guns today as fast as they are, you need a force-fed hopper. And please nobody be stupid enough to try and post on here that the egg is gravity fed... It is not...

Sincerely,

The jabbster

[pntbalmatt]

you can shoot a revolution just as fast as everyone could shoot before halos and evolutions and warps were made, and no one ever complained about shooting slow with angels back then. The only difference is with anti chop, you wont ... chop....

[Target]

I outshoot my Evo Y-board, but I have never chopped with my Halo-b (although I double feed alot, and it's heavy)

IMO Halo-b is better for playing back, evo it better for front.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by Target
my Halo-b (although I double feed alot, and it's heavy)

IMO Halo-b is better for playing back, evo it better for front.

OH GOD NO. Please don't start this again. :doh: :cry:

[jabbster]

LOL, cant we just let it die? :cryer: It is all preferance...

Sincerely,

The jabbster

[Target]

hey I wasn't trying to start an argument, Just stating my opinion, your the ones who brought that up.

[jabbster]

It has been said before. I just kinda want this aurgument to die, IT IS ALL PREFERANCE!!!!!!!

Sincerely,

The jabbster

[SkeL]

.

[jabbster]

LOL, ROFL!!!! :clap: :tongue:

Sincerely,

The jabbster

[punkd]

get an admin in here to close this beast up its pissing me off when ever i see it pop up!

[Weavdogg62]

nice

[hgroberts]

BARELY. About 1 ounce heaver. If you can afford the halo, there's nothing better.
agreed

[-Suicide-]

Just bought me a Halo....just to keep up with my eye mod!

Luke.

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

Ya get a halo B with rip drive, then get the tadao board with fly conversion and finally get it intellfied and your gun will rape any other gun (including modern angels).