Urbanlegend is true

[Sir_Y]

:worthy: they really do exists :worthy:

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tournament/milleniumseries/2001/joy_masters/gallery/CO2Angel02142.JPG

[Jestersfollys]

I think i'm missing something, what exists, angels that have had the crap kicked out of them?

[led972]

WOW!!! that's one angel that has seen better days...But i bet it still shoots like a charm...I love the "for sale" ethched on the side and the tape too...and what about that co2!?!!
Led972...:devil1:

[chili]

Originally posted by Sir_Y
:worthy: they really do exists :worthy:

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tournament/milleniumseries/2001/joy_masters/gallery/CO2Angel02142.JPG

I think what MR Y means here is Angels running CO2 .. People are trying to deny it .. but they are here, they always has been and as far as I know they will be forever =)

[Kriptic]

they i thought those old V6 angels could run on co2 or compressed air/nitro... it's when WDP got killer electronic that water and electronics don't mix... CO2 blows for high end guns.. its just so unstable.... spikes, liquid.. you name it...

[chili]

Non working on electronic Angels? And where in the earth you become with that opinion?

We got lcd's, ir3's etc running smoothly on co2 and air. Benefits of c02: Bottle is noticially smaller than air bottle, and you can shoot whole case with 20oz bottle.
Co2 works as fine as compressed air.



http://www.teamquality.org/kuvat/muut/ananmutka640.JPG

http://www.teamquality.org/kuvat/muut/rollimutka640.jpg

[MoogLe]

then why does it say in the manual:

"DO NOT USE CO2""

[Jestersfollys]

because when co2 expands it cools and freezes. when that liquid goes into your gun it can damage alll sorts of parts. not to mention the dramatic changes in pressure can damage other sensitive parts.

[MoogLe]

i know, my post was aimed toward chilli who says co2 is fine for angels

[Shibby]

I think I'm going to be sick.

[MoogLe]

:throwup6: :sick:

[thog94]

Better your angel than mine, but I don't even like to see it on someone else's.

[fuzzboxvoodoo2k]

your missing the point there showing it can be done. Also with certain techniques you can keep alot of liquid co2 out of a gun.

1. anti siphon tank
2.palmers Stabilzer helps
3.adding another inline reg (helps some more or an expansion chamber works too)

so the poitn is it's not impossible and done right wont fry your gun. But i will concede that co2 still wont be as stable as nitro.

[MoogLe]

if you have the money to buy an angel you would have to be really stupid to put a co2 tank on it

[dark2k2LCD]

becuase, a 20oz will get a rediculus amount of shots. more than a 114/4500. but not matter how many anti-siphons and expansion chambers you have, the C02 is still DIRTY AIR. its really really dirty, and that is horrible for your soleniod and every part of ur gun. dude, its not worth the $300 to screw up your solenoid

[thog94]

I realize that it can be done and have seen it before, but the money spent on inline reg and such can be put towards a nitro tank. I also believe that the risks outweigh the benifits. It's your gun and do with it as you please. I just know that if anything happens to it I'm not the one forking over the cash to get it fixed.

[Eclipse This]

i agree with thong94. as long as it's not on mine go ahead but i still... well, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT!

[JanneH]

:clap: http://teamquality.org/fallenangel.html :clap:

[chili]

Moogle and the rest, I suggest you all read the story from our website at http://www.teamquality.org/fallenangel.html.
And yes, it is as stable as compressed air. It's free of choice to us to use co2. Bottle is smaller comparing to amount of shots, you can shoot ca a case (2000) with 20oz tank. Compare that to airtanks.

Chili / Quality

[MoogLe]

yea i have seen pictures of it being done but i still say it cant be good for the gun in the long run

[chili]

1st co2 angel has been run since 1997 so it makes now 6 years of hard use. Can you expect more? And its still in use, and last year in Millennium we give it nick name "I marked Bob Long series" =). It has never failed at the field.
I think we have about 10-15 co2 angels age of 6 months to 6 years.

And please tell me why you think it would harm marker?


Chili / Quality

[MoogLe]

well its dirty air

[chili]

Yup its dirty air, so ? If twice a year bolt cleaning for dirty air is more than you can handle....

[Mutated Goose]

Well it's been proven that co2 destroys o-rings. Trust me I've seen it eat away my bro's Shutter's o-rings. And liquid co2 can get into the reg and the gun during high ROF. (even with anti-siphon) Co2 reacts to changes in temperature and that causes severe inconsistency. (High ROF) Co2 can be used in any gun, but HPA is always better. Also I noticed in chili's post on the 1st page that the angel in one of his pic's had an expansion chamber after the max-flo. I thought you were never supposed to do this. Just my two cents.

[MoogLe]

if co2 is as great as you say then why does WDP warn against using it

[dr.strangelove]

WDP recommends against using CO2 because from the factory, Angels don't come with ridiculous mods necessary to enable you to use dirty, unstable gas. The angel was built to run on air, they recommend air, they designed an air system to go with their marker line, air is a better gas for the angel. Sure, you could get a few more shots with CO2 (by the way, I don't believe for a second that you can get anywhere near a case off a 20 oz. Impy's operate at slightly lower pressure than angels, and only get about 1100), but if you're using your angel for tourney's, you'll be using probably three or four cases a day, and you'll have to refill your air source (even the holy, almighty, wonderful, noble and precious CO2) no matter what. So for the multi-hundred dollar mods that it takes to run these "fallen" angels, after buying a max flo, paying for CO2 (which costs considerably more than compressed air/nitrogen) and still taking life time off of your solenoid, is it really worth it to have to fill up a couple times less per day? Not for me. Especially when a 91 cubic inch 5000 PSI compressed air/nitro tank could probably provide you with a comparable number of shots per fill.

[Shibby]

Gee, after that article on the "fallen Angel" all I can really say is.......MY GOD HOW EFFING GHETTO COULD YOU BE!!!!!!!!!


Shibby with my .02

[MoogLe]

lol shibby, nicely said

[warpedx]

One thing I noticed on all the pictures posted was the ERA mod. Any reason for this, or is it just that people that like to tinker are more likely to see if if they can get the CO2 to work?

[Dani]

I think you guys are missing the point! When the first angels hit the market in Finland compressed air wasnt that easy to get and the standard in Finland(i think) was maxflow/2l/3000psi(wich is huge) and so these guys(mara) came up with a solution. And as for saying that it screws up the marker well as said earlier the oldest "fallen angel" is like 6years old and its still running great!

Personally i use air in my angel but whatever works and proven co2 works too...

Warpedx: read the article it explains why the use of era.

Sorry Mara had to stick my nose in to this...
Dani/Breakout Finland

[Mutated Goose]

I'm sure it works, but Chili's wrong to say that co2 is just as stable.

[Eclipse This]

Here's just why i didn't run co2 on my cocker

co2 sucks under rapid fire
freezes in cold weather
can't fill the bottle while on gun
it's cold

co2 just sucks. yeah you might beable to run it but why? Mutated Goose said it very well. so who cares if you can run it. i'd have to bunker you if you did.
Angel's are just too damn sexy for co2! come on!

[Angel4647]

HAHA! It's got "for sale" scratched in the breech.

Cool that you got it to work on CO2. Some people like to tinker I guess.

Personally, with the wide availability of compressed fills and the low price of N2 systems - I would stick with nitro.

[sktr25321]

co2 isn't dirty it's just called that because of the way it can cause ice crystals to form in your gun which Will damage your seals. But with the right precautions it works just fine with any gun. use an anti- siphon tank. with a inline expansion chamber, and a stabilizer reg and it shouldn't do anything more than wear out the o-rings a little faster, which aren't really hard to replace on an angel anyway. Co2 does have some very good benifits though. If youre a back player, you dont lose too much in accuracy, but you get a much smaller gun profile and tons more shot capacity. same thing for front players, not too much accuracy loss and the shot capacity can be the same with a tank thats half the size.

[Shibby]

And I can drive a Northstar Caddy 60 miles w/o oil.......buy why?

[jerkku]

Founded this old thread and i have to post to this, because somebody else has also asked about Angel's and CO2.
Angel's work very well with CO2, we have 3 modded Angel's in our team, which are working with CO2 without problems.
Last weekend we played first games outside and temperature was only about +5 Celsius and we had no kind of problems.

Check also video :bowdown:
Fallen Angel (http://fire.prohosting.com/pbtbse/LED_Fallen_Angel.wmv)

[dark2k2LCD]

weird ^

[Eclipse This]

haha k well call me closed minded but screw the co2 idea. i like curling up with my hpa on a cold morning of play'n. life's better with it :buckeye:

[JEREMY]

is that thing aced to its hard to tell but that looks like eyes?

[abom]

is that thing aced to its hard to tell but that looks like eyes?
The movie says Antichop eye...so I guess it has an ACE installed.

[Akoto]

i dont even put co2 thru my mech cocker. i have before and it works ok, but when i start shooting fast, i almost get frost bite on my hand from the reg. i used to use co2 just because the field that i go to only had co2 for a while, but now that they have n2 i use that all the time and wont let neone put co2 thru my gun. regardless if its good or bad for angels, why take the chance? if ur gunna spend 300 bux in mods for your angel for co2 use, why not just put that towards an hpa tank? theres a field not to far from here that has fokus' for there, and he doesnt even have a co2 fill station. every rental has a 48/3000 tank and i asked him about this and he said "why not? everyone who owns there guns wants n2, and n2 is simply better"