Want a better battery pack? [Archive] - Official WDP Angel Owners Group

2theMaxx21

10-05-2002, 01:11 AM

I've got tired of being stuck with the high price and low quality of the stock battery. Being an Electrical Engineer and a avid battery powered competition RC car racer, I know that a better battery pack can be built at a much cheaper price.

I have a buddy at Ballistic Batteries that is looking into building a better battery pack for the Angel. They can make a battery pack out of Sanyo battery cells which have a higher capacity (longer run times), less memory, longer life, and faster charge rates than the stock battery. The stock battery is made from fairly cheap cells. The stock battery and charger is way over priced. I think the stock battery sells for $65 and up. That is way too much for the quality of battery that it is. Ballistic Batteries could make a much better battery pack for well under $50, probably. He might also be able to make a better charger for cheaper than the stock one.

Their battery packs have high quality connections and solders. For years, Ballistic Batteries has been the leader in building high quality, high capacity battery packs for competition RC cars. I know that they could build a sweet battery pack at a great price. Our Angels are the top markers in the world; they deserve a top quality battery powering them. I think it would improve the guns' performance too.

Here is their website if you're interested in seeing the quality battery packs that they make. www.ballisticbatteries.com

Let me know how many of you guys might be interested in getting one of these battery packs. He'll start production if enough guys are interested.

He will send me a couple prototype battery packs to try out on my Angels first. I might also send one to Jason, to let him give it a review.

Post a reply if you're interested. I'll also post this ad on some other high traffic websites, to see what kind of interest there is.
Thanks

Bostonian Hobo

10-05-2002, 08:00 AM

since the board regulates the charging of the batter on the LCD and prob the IR3, wouldn't that create some problems?

2theMaxx21

10-05-2002, 12:26 PM

Good question, but here's your answer: The baord will let the charger charge the battery as long as the battery continues to pull current. Once the battery stops pulling current off of the charger then the board stops the charging process. So a larger capacity battery will just keep charging until its full.

JohnnyBlaze

10-05-2002, 11:34 PM

what the hell sure I'd be willing to try one would there be any garuntee aganst damage to the board caused by the battery

2theMaxx21

10-05-2002, 11:47 PM

I'll have to check on a guarantee.

But a 6 volt pack is a 6 volt pack. It's not going to jump up to 7 volts or anything. Plus, the board can probably handle + or - a volt. Because an older stock battery will drop down around 5 volts after the gun has been on for an hour or so. And the board still works safely on 5 volts.

xXmouthXx

10-06-2002, 11:08 AM

Will he make batteries for led angels also?

donut989

10-06-2002, 12:56 PM

Yeah, if you can get it under $50 and it works I would buy one. I need to have proof though of how much longer it runs and less memory.

2theMaxx21

10-06-2002, 02:31 PM

We're workin on it. They will certainly be well tested and have the performance proven before they are released.

I'm not real familiar with the LED battery. Is it a different size or voltage than the LCD battery?

jfreak

10-07-2002, 08:13 AM

THe LED has runs on the same 6 volts, but they use Ni-Cad batts instead of the newer style NiMH ones found in some LCDs and all IR3s. The connections are indeed different. Any battery for the IR3 should work with the LED given the right wiring. I would definately be interested in new batteries, especially since 2 out of 3 teammates stepping up to Angels this year have had battery problems with brand new guns:angry:

5150

10-08-2002, 02:27 PM

I would try one, but Im not gonna be a ginnie pig.

2theMaxx21

10-08-2002, 02:36 PM

matthepepe

10-08-2002, 02:45 PM

what about charging them?

2theMaxx21

10-08-2002, 02:54 PM

It has more capacity than the stock cell, so in theory it should take a little longer to fully charge, but because these cells are more pure and higher quality they should accept the charge more easily and quicker than the stock battery. So the charge time should be about the same.

The stock charger would work fine with this new battery, but Ballistic Batteries is also working on making a better (and cheaper) charger. I sent him a spare Angel charger that I had, so that he could see exaclty how the charger works, and how it might be improved upon.

matthepepe

10-08-2002, 03:05 PM

that would be great to be able to use teh stock chargers.... unless you had a way of having a quicker charger made.

russ

10-09-2002, 05:30 AM

How many mAh per cell are we talking about?

2theMaxx21

10-09-2002, 01:56 PM

The stock battery is a little over-rated. If you put a meter on your stock battery you will find that it probably has around 900 Mah.

This Ballistic pack will have an acutal 1100-1200 Mah. It should have about 20% more run time than the stock battery. And it will still have plenty of power, even if you've let your Angel sit around for a while. My stock batteries always need to be recharged if I let my gun sit around for a week or two.

steveo

10-09-2002, 02:15 PM

Would this do anything to our WDP (or other) warranties? Just wondering.

This is interesting.
-Steveo

C.Carles-AOG

10-09-2002, 02:36 PM

Will the gun still go into sleep mode?

2theMaxx21

10-09-2002, 03:14 PM

The gun will still go into sleep mode, and do everything that it's normally supposed to do.

I don't think this would hurt the warranty anymore than using a custom bolt would hurt the warranty. Besides, most of the people who need a new battery probably have expired warranties, unless you have a Dark, Impact, Cobra, etc. But we're still going to call WDP to make sure.

Dopey

10-09-2002, 11:04 PM

I am up for it...sounds good to me.
How long befoer they are ready?

2theMaxx21

10-10-2002, 12:12 AM

A few weeks, but don't quote me on that. The batteries have to be tested, and used in an actual Angel for a short period of time before they will be for sale.

AZ-Monsoon

10-10-2002, 02:40 AM

Maxx,

are you aware of the milliamp per hour rating on the two battery packs? What is the stock and what would the sanyo be? 6v is not exactly 6v. The current is the key but you know that. I have no idea what the angel requires so I am just curious. This is the reason a halo runs like crap on a 9v battery. It cannot supply enough current but 6 1.5 volt AA's in series does.

2theMaxx21

10-10-2002, 11:23 AM

If you go up 6 posts in this thread you'll find the answer. It has quite a bit more Mah than the stock battery.

It is hard to measure how much current an Angel is pulling. It depends on your shooting style, if the backlight is on or off, if you're using Intellifeed.

But lets say that the gun pulls 50 Mah. If that is the case then the gun would last 19 hours with a full charge on the stock battery, not the mention the quickly dying voltage. With a Ballistic pack it would last a good 23 hours, and the voltage would stay up much longer.

950/50 = 19
1150/50 =23

But we have found that the C capacity of the stock battery dies down pretty quick. I have tested several LED and LCD battery packs from my friends Angels. All they would hold was 700-800 Mah. This Ballistic pack will keep a very consistent holding capacity for several years.

The reason that a 9V battery doesn't perform as well as a series of AA batteries is because the 9V has enough voltage, but a lot smaller capacity than the group of AA's. When the current capacity goes down, then the voltage also goes down with it. Voltage is directly proportional to current. Voltage is what the motor needs to keep up to speed. Voltage is the force or pressure exerted on electrons. The more voltage you have, the faster the motor will go. Capacity is called Amps or Amperes. Amps is the measure of how many electrons you have stored as potential energy. Which lets you know how long the battery will last. The stock battery has less than 1000 milliamp (same as 1 amp) or 1 Coulomb per second. The number of electrons in 1 amp is 6.24x10 to the 18th power. The 9V bettery is a smaller size and has smaller volume of chemicals inside it, so it has a smaller number of negative and the positively charged ions (current), even though it has the same potential energy between the plates (voltage).

Conclusion: Since the Ballistics pack has more stored electrons than the stock battery, the Ballistic battery pack will last longer, and the voltage will stay up longer than the stock battery.

C.Carles-AOG

10-10-2002, 11:55 AM

God I'm glad I took physics and not underwater basket weaving...
What about the heat dissipation? Packaging? Size will be the same I assume as you're merely using better, matched cells correct?

2theMaxx21

10-10-2002, 04:12 PM

The Angel doesn't pull enough Amperage to make the batteries even get warm. It will be the same size as stock.

But here's a question for you guys:

We could make the pack even cheaper if you guys wanted to use the stock switch and plug (which are wired straight off of the stock battery). You would just clip the black and the red wire coming out of the old battery. The stock switch and plug are usually in perfect shape, so why not just buy a new battery pack and connect it to the old wiring? The new battery pack would have the red and black wires coming out of it, and there would be a crimp connector on each lead, then you would just strip off a little bit of insulation from the old wires, stick them into the crimp connectors and then crimp the connector with a set of pliers or crimpers. It would probably save you guys $10 or more if you think you could do this. If not, then we can always sell them with the plug and switch. Personally, I would just buy the pack and connect it to the old wiring. It would take like 5 minutes to do. There are only 2 wires.

Let me know what you think.

C.Carles-AOG

10-10-2002, 04:48 PM

Offer both versions?

2theMaxx21

10-10-2002, 06:22 PM

Probably. But if we just did the "cut and crimp" type of battery pack, then you could put the battery in any type of Angel, LED, LCD, or IR3. If we go the other route then we will have to make two different models; one for the LCD or IR3, and then one with a different plug for the LED.

It would save you guys some money, and make the production a lot faster if you guys think you could handle the simple task of cuting and crimping two wires.

Let me know.

Dopey

10-10-2002, 08:54 PM

That sounds ok...I don't care, personally. As long as it will work better.

2theMaxx21

10-10-2002, 09:14 PM

Well, It would be cheaper to pay for just the part you need, which is the battery, not the switch and plug. Believe it or not, that little switch and plug costs about $15. I think buying just the battery pack would be the better way to go.

Keep giving me feedback.

5150

10-11-2002, 02:19 AM

I think you should find out all the types of batterie connecters and offer a veriety of pre dune connectors. So that you are sure that the buyer would not have to worry about messing up and cutting the 2 wires shorter and making it too short.

AZ-Monsoon

10-11-2002, 03:59 AM

Got ya Maxx on the Mah. Sorry, thought I had read everyting. I would probably be willing to pay the extra for the connector that way I have a backup in the original. The connectors are really hard to find. I tried to find a connector for the intellifeed so I could run LED's inside my gun from the intellifeed port. Figured I might as well do something with the hopper program since I use a halo. I ended up buying another intellifeed wire for 20 bucks just to hack it up. Looks cool though. WDP got ya by the nuts.

T3p Guy

10-11-2002, 04:01 AM

Well i know that i would definatly be all about getting a new batt. for my LCDs...specially if it was cheep like you say that they are going to be, just one thing, i would also need a charger as i have the old style battery and i would be installing the new style correct? and if you can get the chargers made for cheep you can definatly count me in, or if someone could post what is all in their new style chargers so that i could build one myself that would be appreciated also. And you will definatly have to make the chargers for the LED angels as they have different charger plugs and arn't compatible w/ the new angels...

oohaohh

10-13-2002, 06:36 PM

Hey cool, after all who wants a battery that isn't being used properly after all who is gonna shoot 100,000 rounds between charging. I'd be happy if it only lasted 10,000 rounds cause thats the most I have ever got through in a day. I will watch this space with anticipation. The other thing I feel is nuts, is the lack of a home charger. Even if u had 2 buy it as an extra, who really wants to leave their £1300 marker in their car to charge. It can't have been that difficult especially when you think all laptops, mobile phones and pda's come with some sort of home chraging or adaptor system with car accessories available.

vinrock

10-13-2002, 07:38 PM

Maybe ToTheMaxx can answer this, are the Angel's batteries Sub-C? The marker's body looks like they are smaller... i haven't opened mine and looked at it yet. I think i ruined my new battery already, got too anxious and didnt fully charge the batt... so the cells probably have about a 1 hgour memory now :doh:

I was thinking of just building a battery pack myself with some nice Sanyo cells and running them through a Competition Electronics turbomatcher.

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 12:29 AM

We might come up with a good wall charger instead of the car charger.

The battery pack has a smaller diameter than sub-C. But they are the same size that high quality RC rx (receiver) packs are made out of. Vinrock, that's a nice charger. You sound like you might have some RC battery pack knowledge.

vinrock

10-14-2002, 01:07 AM

yeah I was actually debating on hoopin' out a T-Maxx w/ all the Unlimited Engineering SuperMaxx stuff, i haven't owned an R/C car in years and was lookin' for a new toy while i'm inbetween jobs...

But, I ended up hoopin' an Angel instead :evilgrin:

I've been sitting in an office in front of computer screens for almost 4 yrs now, I can use the thing to go play paintball and get off my ass for once.

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 12:44 PM

I've built a few SuperMaxxes. This one is full SuperMaxx except for the chassis, I wanted the flexibility of moving some parts around, So I got the XTM chassis, which is real thick, long, and wide. It gave me plenty of room to do some customization, like add a bigger tank, and move the battery box. This one has all titanium driveline, Kippster diff gears, SM 10mm trans kit, aluminum bulkheads and diff cases, aluminum trans case, SM stage III suspension kit, SM SuperShocks, Novarossi tuned pipe, and ported .21 OSrg engine.

Oh, and I can't forget to mention the Silverado body that I painted myself. It has carbon fiber looking flames, and a blue to green color-change metalic paint job.

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 12:51 PM

This truck really hauls butt! It will ride wheelies with ease. But beleive it or not, paintball is much cheaper! I spent over $3000 on this truck. I've stopped racing RCs because I got tired of fixing and replacing expensive parts.

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 12:53 PM

Oh, and I forgot to mention the blue/white LED headlights that are flush mounted in the bumper. It's cool at night!

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 12:55 PM

One more.

vinrock

10-14-2002, 03:28 PM

damn bro, that thing is sick. I used to race 1/10th scale buggies then got into trucks when the sport trucks started hitting the market (ran an rc-10 'team car' and traxxas blue eagle.. this was loong ago) but stopped because for my age at the time it was impossible to fund...

T-Maxx got me interested in it because it looked like the SuperMaxx with the race suspension & all the goodies would be fun to build and whip around the back yard.

I'll eventually pick up something new, these 1/6th scale cars I see out now are lookin pretty shnazzy; not like the oldschool nasty pan frames. Tryin to decide but i've got some time.

(Next car/truck will also be my first combustion powered one)

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 05:41 PM

I have a 1/6 scale buggy called a FG Marder. It's made in Germany, and is very nice. It uses a 23cc gasoline engine, and it really rocks! It doesn't use a glow plug or have to be fine tuned like a nitro powered RC. The initial investement was about $800 plus the radio equipment, but you don't have to keep spending money on it, like I did with the T-maxx. It's real sturdy and well built. I crashed it into a fence at about 50 MPH and all it did was break the rear wing (just a body part). It will eat up any T-maxx as far as speed goes. Plus it uses regular gasoline and a 25:1 oil mix, which is a lot cheaper than RC nitro fuel ($25-35 a gallon)!!!!

The engine is just like a real nice weedeater engine, but it has a heavy duty clutch and a bigger carburator. The engine always starts on the first 1 or 2 pulls. This is not the case with a nitro engine!

If I were you, I'd go with the large scale gasoline RCs. It will be a lot cheaper in the long run, and a lot less frustrating than nitro RC. Plus they have a lot more power, and get better gas milage. It has so much power that it can just sit there and burn rubber all over the place. It's sweet! The neighbor kids get embarrassed of thier Radio Shack RCs and even other guys that have Nitro RCs get embarrassed when they see the speed and power of these big Gasoline engines. But you sure don't want to get hit with one in the ankle at 50 MPH!!! They weigh about 23 lbs. I've heard of several people getting broken legs and ankles.

IM or e-mail me if you have any questions about large scale RCs and where to order them. They're not as popular in the US like they are in Europe, so you probably won't find them in your local hobby shop. But I've got a lot of links and info on large scale RCs. Plan on spending at least $1000 for the RC, radio, battery, and servos. But the price can go a lot higher if you want a 4WD or a on-road race car. The FG Marder is 2WD, and I've never been able to get it stuck. It can go just about anywhere that my T-maxx can go, except for rock climbing. But they do make a 4WD version of the Marder that is called a Leopard. It's pretty sweet!

C.Carles-AOG

10-14-2002, 07:41 PM

Perhaps we can start a thread in the chat forum on this? I like RC as well. Let's keep this forum on topic.

2theMaxx21

10-14-2002, 08:13 PM

Yes, boss. Sorry for just shooting the breeze with a fellow member. Didn't mean to get off track.

The battery packs are still under production. I'll keep you posted.

Sheesh. If I'm not getting bossed at work, or by my wife, then I'm getting bossed in a forum.

Fluffy!

10-15-2002, 05:33 PM

i would be up for a new longer lasting battery.

5150

10-15-2002, 11:44 PM

I got a T-max with a .21 in it. That hauls ass!

2theMaxx21

10-15-2002, 11:52 PM

Shhhhh. You'll get us yelled at again by Speed. :sshh:

E-mail or IM me about your T-maxx. I like seeing other hopped up T-maxxes. I'd like to know how it compares to mine :evilgrin: I can't stand to be out-done. :devil:

defdad

10-16-2002, 08:42 AM

there's two or three of our team that would be up for new batteries (for our Angels that is).

C.Carles-AOG

10-16-2002, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by 2theMaxx21
Yes, boss. Sorry for just shooting the breeze with a fellow member. Didn't mean to get off track.

The battery packs are still under production. I'll keep you posted.

Sheesh. If I'm not getting bossed at work, or by my wife, then I'm getting bossed in a forum.

Originally posted by 2theMaxx21
Shhhhh. You'll get us yelled at again by Speed.

E-mail or IM me about your T-maxx. I like seeing other hopped up T-maxxes. I'd like to know how it compares to mine I can't stand to be out-done.

I didn't scream 2theMaxx21. I meant to come off as saying I like RC's too, let's just start a thread in the Chat forum. This thread, being in the NEWS forum, is intended to be more informational. I appreciate your understanding. I'm not your boss either :nerd:

2theMaxx21

10-16-2002, 12:09 PM

Sorry Speed, I just had a couple bad days, and got crabby.

Gnarly, did you have the switch on or off when you charged it? Make sure that the charging meter is "growing" while you have it plugged in. If it's doing this, then you should be charging your battery properly.

How long did you charge it? You're supposed to charge it for about 7 hours, the first time.

You could take the grip off and see it the battery plug is fully plugged into the board.

If that doesn't fix it, call the place where you bought it. Your gun has a 6 month warranty. Or you could just buy a Ballistics Battery pack.:smile:

Demon

10-23-2002, 08:19 PM

I would buy into it. I just ordered a new battery/switch/shroud kit to replace my old stock 2K battery. How long before we see something?

James " Demon "
Hudson Valley Xtreme :angry:

2theMaxx21

10-23-2002, 11:28 PM

Not long. We're just testing the performance, and also the warranty issues with WDP.

karrkrash01

10-26-2002, 01:25 PM

are they lithium ion or nimh??? how maH are they

saslade

10-26-2002, 09:47 PM

When, where, and how much? Just got my IR3 back. Took 6 packs to find one that would work. All packs were verified to be bad. Right price and my shop may want to carry a few also.

2theMaxx21

10-27-2002, 09:34 AM

They're NiMh. Li Ion would be too expensive.

I'll try to answer your other questions ASAP. I'm not positive about everything, and don't want to give out any false info. I'm going to call Ballistic to see how everything is coming.

vinrock

10-27-2002, 02:11 PM

Hey Maxx, back when I was big into RC, Lithium wasn't an option really for sub-c cells. This was around the time the 'revolutionary' Sanyo 1700 SCRC's came out.

What kinda dollar figure you lookin' at for Lithium cells?

My battery in my Angel is just about shot :P I have to charge this thing constatly for enough juice to play a few games.

BTW - i think I might have to skip getting a T-Maxx or other Car/Truck idea...

Scale model of Lord Corporation NH-90 helicopter powered by turbine engine! i've got to get one of these... only 6 grand :P

http://www.v-eastonline.com/jetnh-90.html

ive got a sick video of one of them to show you if i can find a place to upload it to.

AZ-Monsoon

10-27-2002, 09:31 PM

Maxx,

what about getting a more compact and lighter battery pack for the Halo B? I really hate luggin 6 AA's around. I looked into this at the local Batteries Plus but they were little help.

2theMaxx21

10-27-2002, 09:53 PM

We might be able to make a good NiMh rechargeable pack for it, but I doubt that you would notice a big weight difference, even though it would be slightly lighter.

But it's a good idea. I'll mention it to the guys at Ballistic.

AdrenalinMan

10-27-2002, 09:55 PM

my ir3 battery sucks. i want a new one, lmk when you have a prototype or a test one and ill be happy to test it :evilgrin:

dr.strangelove

10-27-2002, 10:06 PM

Why doesn't anyone come out with a lithium battery for the Angel? They don't build a memory, they last forever, and they charge quickly. Even if they cost more, I'd be willing to pay it.

KEN CRANE

10-28-2002, 09:06 PM

TRY THIS TRICK,KILL THE BATTERY BY LEAVING THE GUN ON UNTIL THE DISPLAY IS COMPLETLY GONE.DEAD DEAD DEAD.THEN TOTALY RECHARGE FOR 8-10 HOURS.IF THEN THE GUN WONT HOLD A CHARGE FOR WEEKS THE BATTERY IS BAD.GET IT TO ONE OF US TO REPLACE THE BATTERY.

billmi

10-30-2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by dr.strangelove
Why doesn't anyone come out with a lithium battery for the Angel? They don't build a memory, they last forever, and they charge quickly. Even if they cost more, I'd be willing to pay it.

NiMH is gerally less expensive than Lithium ion. Like lithium, NiMH batteries do not suffer a memory effect. They also hold more of a charge per weight/volume than NiCDs, though they don't sustain the same peak output levels.

The IR3s ship with NiMH batteries.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

2theMaxx21

10-30-2002, 10:38 PM

Lithium Ion is not really an option. I don't think that Lithium Ion batteries are available in the correct size that is needed to fit inside the Angel battery compartment.

To rephrase what "billmi" said:
A freshly charged NiCd will have a higher initial voltage than a NiMh battery, but the NiCds voltage will quickly die down in the first hour or so, then it will level off. The voltage of NiMh will not drop so quickly, and it will produce a much nicer steady stream of voltage for a longer period.

This is why some professional RC car racers like NiCd battery packs for short quick races, but then they will use NiMh if they are entering a long race.

Dopey

11-01-2002, 11:24 AM

so do you know when they might be finished?

Arch-Angel

11-02-2002, 09:00 AM

count me in.

Syentific

11-02-2002, 11:37 AM

Let me know when more complete information is available. This sounds like a great idea and if everything is everything I will mos def pick up one of these.

Puma

11-04-2002, 11:26 PM

What is the latest news on this, and when will they be avaliable?

I am about to buy a $65 battery for my friends IR3, and I would like to know if yours will be avaliable soon.

Thanks

ballistic

11-05-2002, 01:57 AM

Hello Guys,
We have been busy working and testing some different cells for your guns.This has taken a while as I want a good product that will last. Things are really looking good. We should have some info coming in the next couple weeks. We are looking at higher capacity Nimh cells and more durable. Please feel free to call,post here, or email me if you have any questions.

shenanigan

11-05-2002, 02:32 PM

great...glad to hear everything is coming toegether for u guys...my battery in my 2k2 is bein a whore...i charge it for 8 hours...play one game...shoot a case...and DEAD...and i was thinkin of sending it off to a tech...but i would rather find a place in western PA to take it too...sounds like a highly awaited product and i no i will look into one

CrazyIrving

11-07-2002, 08:39 PM

When I charge the IR3 to a full charge the board say safe, that mean it full.

When it time to play the full charge does not last more than 15 min at the most.
How often do should we charge the battries, should we wait till it gets to 1 bar or do we just charge it when ever we need to.

Crazy irving

redmonster13

11-11-2002, 07:08 PM

I would try one.

shenanigan

11-26-2002, 10:40 PM

on pins and needles waitin for sum news...cuz i am havin battery probs as we speak...any insight:puzzled:

ballistic

11-26-2002, 11:24 PM

Well field testing has been going great this last weekend. Had some guys here in Phoenix and back eat testing them. I know they are better in the testing we did on our equipment.But I wanted some actual field testing done.
We have packs ready but are waiting on the switches and connectors to come in. It looks like about 10 more days till we get these parts in to offer a complete replacement. We can offer pack imediatly for guys that want to just cut off and solder the new battery in on there existing wiring. This is very simple and is only two wires. Or you can send me your bad pack and i can pull the switch and connector off and replace the the old battery with the new one.

2theMaxx21

11-28-2002, 10:57 AM

Well, I've been using the Ballistic packs in my ANgels for several days now. I just cut the wires to my old pack and soldered the old wires to the leads on the new pack (since the plug and switch are not yet available). I've played paintball with a few friends for several hours each day. The battery packs seem to be performing flawlessly. In fact, I'm having trouble getting the batteries to run down. The Angel battery meter is still at 100%.

These packs are certainly better than the stock ones. Just from the looks you can tell that this pack is better than the stock one. Plus it has brand name, high quality Sanyo cells, The cells have been connected together in a way that results in much less resistance through the conductors. The terminals on the cells have a much larger contact area than the stock battery pack does.

I'll keep you guys posted, but it might be a few weeks before I can get the batteries to run all the way down. He he. This Ballistic pack is a definite "must have" for your Angel.

CrazyIrving

11-28-2002, 02:02 PM

:doh: Does Ballistic plan on comming to the zap..SKYBALL in Toronto, Febuary 26 to March 1. So I can see these new batterys in Action or on Display.

P.S I'm just trying out the features this fourms has for sizes and colors etc. it COOL

Crazy Irving
:clown:

ballistic

11-28-2002, 02:39 PM

Please get me some info on it. I do alot of traveling through out the country and world. We do bussiness with several Nascar teams, Also many R/C races, Battlebots and Robot Wars, and movie projects. I would love to see a intence paintball tournament.

CrazyIrving

11-28-2002, 08:48 PM

www.zapskyball.com (http://www.zapskyball.com)

The web site is now open and there is quite abit of info on it, if you want to get in touch with the Zap organizer his phone number is listed also.

That the only info I know of since it my first Skyball, I'm worst than a kid waiting for Christmas, we plan on playing a fun game and just having a good time.

I'm not sure if WDP will be there, I know that they were there last year.

If you plan on comming to Toronto or sending some Batterys, I'll be sure to get a battery from you at the Skyball

Take care
Crazy Irivng
:clown:

Zeineth

12-10-2002, 09:32 PM

Any update on the batteries?

Do we have a cost yet with and without the connectors?

Thanks

Z

5150

12-11-2002, 01:32 AM

What about the warentee with WDP. Does it do anything? And do the batteries have a warente?

ballistic

12-11-2002, 02:33 AM

We waiting on the connectors to come in from over seas. onece we get these in we will be able to establish a complete price. They should be in some time next week.
As for the warrenty these packs should not affect the WDP warrenty. Yes they have more capacity thatn the WPD ones and a little more voltage because of the way we a building them which will not affect any mechanical parts on the guns. We have been doing alot of testing on these packs for the last few months or so and have had great results. We will offer a warrenty on them but dont expect it to be much as there is no way to really controll a warreny on rechargable packs. We will stand behind our products and help the customer as much as possible. We could not have stayed in business for 14 years if we dont take care of our customers.

masterblaster

12-14-2002, 07:46 AM

Is there a price on the batteries without connectors or switches avail yet I'll use my old connector and switch

5150

12-15-2002, 07:40 PM

Cool, thanks for the quick reply.

hogman05

12-22-2002, 05:06 PM

Let me know when the battery is for sale!

LilDEVIL

12-24-2002, 01:21 PM

well im new to angels just got my 1r3 the other day.
but been racing rc cars for a long time... and good batteries make a huge difference.. so please contact me i would purchase one .. if not two thanks all .

saslade

12-29-2002, 12:54 AM

Just waiting for the price on the w/o connector or switch. Will be sending my money for one.

ballistic

01-15-2003, 12:29 AM

Well finally got testing done and production parts in. We are offering a complete kit with connector and new switch. they are on our web site. Just type in Angel.

2theMaxx21

02-04-2003, 09:10 AM

Just wanted to let you guys know that after many weeks of use, the Ballistics packs in my IR3 and LCD are still performing great.

These Ballistic packs are a great upgrade.

Roy

03-03-2003, 11:10 PM

Hello .. could I have a website so I can purchase on of these bateries ?

2theMaxx21

03-03-2003, 11:13 PM

Check Ballistic's signature above.

2theMaxx21

03-04-2003, 12:46 AM

What in the heck is this? What are you smoking dude?

I hope an administrator bans you from this website.

Panzerr

03-04-2003, 03:48 PM

YES, i do want a better battery pack! Just wondering, any trick to changing out batteries or can any baffoon with some grey matter do it?

2theMaxx21

03-04-2003, 11:11 PM

I guess they erased that guys post. What was that fruit cake thinking?

Back to the subject. It's pretty easy. Unhook the battery plug from the board. Take the battery plug of the end of the body, then take off the backplate and use a screw driver or a stick to push the old battery out of the tube. Then just reverse the order with the new battery. Watch for that o-ring inside the battery tube that cushions the battery. You really don't need it with the Ballistics pack. The Ballistic pack fits a little tighter and doesn't need to be cushioned by a o-ring.

Panzerr

03-05-2003, 12:01 AM

Ok, kewl, thanks. I ordered one of the ballistics packs this afternoon.

xXmouthXx

03-07-2003, 11:50 PM

Has anyone used the new battery in a L.E.D angel? Can you still get the battery by itself in the cut and crimp version.

Q[TXR]

03-09-2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by 2theMaxx21
IThe Ballistic pack fits a little tighter and doesn't need to be cushioned by a o-ring.

Yes, I agree that it fits a little tighter than the original battery pack. In my IR3 it actually was so tight that I couldn't get it in so I had to remove one layer of the plastic wrapping but then it fit nicely.

Other than that I'm really satisfied with the battery pack and can't wait to play some more.

2theMaxx21

03-09-2003, 10:28 PM

Each of the Ballistic packs are built by hand, so some of them might fit a little differently than others. Mine didn't fit as tight as yours did. But Ballistic certainly uses thicker heat shrink wrap than the stock battery, which is a good thing.

ballistic

03-10-2003, 01:43 AM

Sorry guys,
I guess I over did it on the shrinkwrap. I will put on 1 less coating of shrink. If you need to you can peel one of them off.

Panzerr

03-17-2003, 11:29 AM

Just got my ballistic pack. Everything looks in order. I'll be field testing her this weekend. I got an added bonus on my invoice, they gave me a 10% discount for being in the army. That was totally unexpected and really cool of them.

pb-afroman

04-06-2003, 04:18 PM

When I get my 2k angel with the nicd battery, and I want to get this battery, I will need a new charger will I not?

DcSkater602

04-06-2003, 07:33 PM

just buy an ir3....a full charge is supposed to last 350,000 shots consecutavly

1 hr charge lasts 16,000 shots

bulldog4503

02-16-2004, 10:31 AM

I am interested. beaver@gate.net :bigok:

I've got tired of being stuck with the high price and low quality of the stock battery. Being an Electrical Engineer and a avid battery powered competition RC car racer, I know that a better battery pack can be built at a much cheaper price.

I have a buddy at Ballistic Batteries that is looking into building a better battery pack for the Angel. They can make a battery pack out of Sanyo battery cells which have a higher capacity (longer run times), less memory, longer life, and faster charge rates than the stock battery. The stock battery is made from fairly cheap cells. The stock battery and charger is way over priced. I think the stock battery sells for $65 and up. That is way too much for the quality of battery that it is. Ballistic Batteries could make a much better battery pack for well under $50, probably. He might also be able to make a better charger for cheaper than the stock one.

Their battery packs have high quality connections and solders. For years, Ballistic Batteries has been the leader in building high quality, high capacity battery packs for competition RC cars. I know that they could build a sweet battery pack at a great price. Our Angels are the top markers in the world; they deserve a top quality battery powering them. I think it would improve the guns' performance too.

Here is their website if you're interested in seeing the quality battery packs that they make. www.ballisticbatteries.com

Let me know how many of you guys might be interested in getting one of these battery packs. He'll start production if enough guys are interested.

He will send me a couple prototype battery packs to try out on my Angels first. I might also send one to Jason, to let him give it a review.

Post a reply if you're interested. I'll also post this ad on some other high traffic websites, to see what kind of interest there is.
Thanks

Panzerr

02-16-2004, 11:52 AM

pleased with my ballistic battery pack. looking for a 4.8v version for my a4...

winter001

02-16-2004, 04:01 PM

would love to have one of these for my speed, ballistic sounds like the cure for double charging and first shot drop off! Any chance 4.8 volts will be produced?

drkanglr

02-16-2004, 04:03 PM

Man, I wish I had seen this thread a couple of months ago. I'll try and get the word out here in NC so more folks know about this battery. This'll be the next battery that I buy.

jahlad

02-18-2004, 06:12 PM

i need a new battery for an led....on the website it doesnt say which models of angel they fit....do i just put something in the comments box?
also is shipping to the uk a prob? not sure if you can post batterys or not

hafton

02-18-2004, 06:43 PM

you shuld try to make a batery for the halo b so u dont have to go out and buy new once every week

Providence

02-26-2004, 04:11 PM

I'm saving, I plan on buying one sometime next week. I have a 2k LCD that is just crap for battery problems.

I see the switch and everything is included, this is sweet! :sucker:

budhall088

02-26-2004, 08:50 PM

So, do these come with chargers? or do you guys sell them seperate? or am I on my own with that one.

mrf

02-27-2004, 10:39 AM

Hey Maxx21 see what you can find out about Lithium polymer batteries. I don't know if you only do cars/trucks but Lithium polymer batteries have entered the flying scene with a vey big impact. They are Lighter than Li Ion and now come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. Besides the price differance and charging method these batteries would be better than NiMh batts. I used to run all my cars/trucks & planes on NiMh, but when I started flying electric models and used some of these batteries I was truly convinced. As you probaly know Lithium batteries have a very low internal resistance, unlike NiMh batts that have a very high internal resistance. Which is why MiMh batts do not have good shelf life. Of course the voltage incompatibility will have to be resolved with a Voltage Reg. that can be designed and heat shrunk on the pack, but its no biggie. This could be like the PLATINUM series Battery fro angels. lol

Let me know what you think.

gomergomes

02-27-2004, 01:50 PM

write a letter to WDP and tell them to get on the ball for a battery upgrade

lcplwan

02-27-2004, 03:15 PM

I fly R/c planes too, you forgot to mention those batteries cost alot more too, I bought a batt and charger for my rc heli and it cost about 120$
I also read an article about li poly batts in a rc/mag and if they drop below a certain voltage , ie drain it too much you can damage the battery.. just some info for ya

mrf

02-27-2004, 04:54 PM

I am very well aware about the Pros & Cons of Li Po batts. Did you know that a WDP NiMh Battery and charger pkg. go for $100.00, $20.00 less than what you paid for a "State Of The Art" Li Po pack & charger. Did you also know that if you completly drained a NiMh pack and left it there for a while the cells would get damaged too.... maybe not as bad as a Li Po but they would get damaged, and did you also know that Li Po batts hold a storage charge about 4X better than NiCad batts and about 10X better than NiMh batts. So for those of you that charge your Markers after playing then let it sit for a whole week & then play next weekend, ( just some friendly info ) you are not playing with a fully peaked battery pack. In plain english NiMh batteries discharge themselves while sitting.

lcplwan

02-27-2004, 08:16 PM

yup they lose 1% of thier charge daily.

Providence

02-28-2004, 04:00 PM

So will I need to buy a NiMH wall charger or does the package come with one?

Hep

02-29-2004, 05:21 PM

If you buy the battery and charger pack that's a nihm you will be set.

dynastySSS

02-29-2004, 11:42 PM

so will this be able to go on all angels??

Providence

03-01-2004, 02:03 AM

But I don't see the charger on their site...my question is, will I be able to find it on their site, or buy it seperately?

Emmit

03-01-2004, 08:03 AM

But I don't see the charger on their site...my question is, will I be able to find it on their site, or buy it seperately?
chances are you should e-mail them directly and ask them. I don't think that the person making them ever posted here, and the person who started the thread I don't think has posted here in a while either

Jouster

03-01-2004, 10:40 AM

But I don't see the charger on their site...my question is, will I be able to find it on their site, or buy it seperately?
This battery (the one on Ballistic's website) works with the stock charger.

Jouster

budhall088

03-01-2004, 11:11 AM

WHOA! I'm definitely goin with one of these. Now, it has been tested with the stock charger and it works fine?

Providence

03-01-2004, 05:28 PM

According to Jouster, yes. I'll email and let you guys know.

Providence

03-02-2004, 03:03 PM

Just got the email from BB:

Question was: I am interested in purchasing the NiMH battery pack for the Angel Paintball
gun. My question is: will my current Angel wall charger work with the new
battery?

Answer: Yes it will. The charging is done through the gun not actually with the wall
adapter. It will work fine with your current equipment

budhall088

03-02-2004, 04:23 PM

Nice. Thanks.

ballistic

03-02-2004, 06:28 PM

pleased with my ballistic battery pack. looking for a 4.8v version for my a4...

Hey Panzerr, can you call me at 602-493-3717 or email me at Pat@ballisticbatteries.com so I can talk to you about making a 4.8 pack. Also if there is any other packs you guys think of that need to be made please feel free to contact us. Sorry I have not been on here as we got a new computer system and lost the bookmark.

Jouster

03-02-2004, 07:24 PM

Hey Panzerr, can you call me at 602-493-3717 or email me at Pat@ballisticbatteries.com so I can talk to you about making a 4.8 pack. Also if there is any other packs you guys think of that need to be made please feel free to contact us. Sorry I have not been on here as we got a new computer system and lost the bookmark.
If you can make a nice system so I can charge my EvoII at the start of the day and play through, rather than putting in fresh 9V's every three cases, you'll be my new best friend.

Hell, if you can produce an analog readout of how much longer the batteries are going to be giving peak performance, I'd be satisfied.

Meanwhile, off to Costco for more 8-packs of 9V's....

Jouster

Providence

03-03-2004, 12:07 PM

Oh wow, if you could do this for Halos...wait, nevermind, I bought rechargeable batteries already. Hopefully they'll pay for themselves, since I paid like 30 bucks for 16 batteries and a charger. A Halo pack that can be easily recharged would be so sweet though.

ballistic

03-03-2004, 08:20 PM

Sumohioguy28

03-12-2004, 05:15 PM

Any better battery pack fer the A4?

Maelstrom

03-15-2004, 02:38 PM

so will this battery pack work with the speed? I'm so close to buying one because I've been having so many problems with my speed charging correctly.

mamba_juice

03-15-2004, 03:39 PM

i was wondering about these too....a 9v NiMH battery that would fit in the battery tube perfectly would cost around 150 at digi-key....something around 75 for the same thing would do perfectly.

i mailed him about getting a 9v pack for those of us using intimidator boards...soon as he gets back to me ill post the news

budhall088

03-16-2004, 04:53 PM

Ummm, your site isn't working right. I tried to order a battery and I put in my infromation and hit Next. Instantly an Error thing popped up sayin that An Error has occurred that prevents us from completing your request.
Please Try your Request again.

Dignostics:
ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right truncation)
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]String data, right truncation

Data Source = "ZomixSiteDB"

SQL = "INSERT INTO SiteCustomerInfo ( "Address1" , "AddressType" , "BillingMethod" , "BillShip" , "City" , "ClientBrowser" , "Current_IP" , "DateEntered" , "DayPhone" , "DiscountTotal" , "Email" , "Fname" , "HostName" , "Lname" , "OrderDone" , "Order_No" , "ShippingMethod" , "SiteID" , "State" , "UserName" , "Zip" ) VALUES ( ?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?)"

Data Source = "ZomixSiteDB"

The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFINSERT), occupying document position (121:4) to (121:68) in the template file C:\WEBSOFT\ZOMIX\BALLISTIC\ZCODE\SC_CONFIRM.CFM

budhall088

03-16-2004, 04:53 PM

I don't know what any of that means. It's from some Racine Web Design. I'm pissed because I finally have enough money to get it and now this is keepin me from ordering it.

ballistic

03-16-2004, 11:44 PM

budhall088 I look into the error you got and cant seem to get it to reproduce the problem.I had a few other people go and order the angel battery and had no problem. You can email me your order info or call us and we can get your order taken care of.We can get and assembly any pack you guys need. I just need some pics and measurements to build prototypes and have you guys test them if your interested.Of course you wouldn't have to pay for the prototypes. We really want to add more paint ball battery kits to our inventory we just need to find out what there is out there in the paint ball world to make.

mamba_juice

03-17-2004, 12:29 AM

the main battery pack used in paintball is the standard 9V...angel uses the 4.7 volt for theirs, and thats the only real battery pack that i can think of. if you were to make a rechargeable pack just like the standard 9V with a longer life i think it would sell. as far as markers go

i would be very interested in a rechargeable pack for an evolution or halo, those would definately sell. if youre ever lookin for someone to test anything that has to do with a hopper or angel i would test them in a heartbeat.

and whats your business hours, i tried calling you but you were closed.

Jouster

03-18-2004, 07:09 PM

We really want to add more paint ball battery kits to our inventory we just need to find out what there is out there in the paint ball world to make.
What I'd be looking for would be something that looks like the attachment (sorry about the icky MSPaint art).

The two batteries are used in parallel, so you can just make a big, ugly 9V source. The important part here is not capacity, but dropoff--it has to be very, very low for these loaders.

If you'd like details (to the extent I understand what you're asking for, is this message enough?), let me know via private message on the forum system.

Jouster

ballistic

03-26-2004, 12:59 PM

Hey Jouster give me a call at 602-493-3717 so I can talk to you about this. You can call as late as you want

Unclecreepy

03-27-2004, 01:23 AM

So how do these batteries by Ballistic work for the angels? do they work for the LED's?
I didn't scroll through all 10 pages , SO not sure if there is info on this already.

ballistic

03-30-2004, 01:12 AM

Unclecreepy, I can make you a killer battery for your led. I would need your old pack to use the connector off of it. If you can email me a close pic of the connector I might be able to get them

mamba_juice

03-30-2004, 01:19 AM

Jouster

03-30-2004, 10:11 AM

well since your online thought id ask again about the 9v versions...im sure you could make them...but for how much? the connecting wires would have to go to the board, which you couldnt charge it from...so there would have to be another method of charging. im not big on batteries so i wouldnt know how
Give Patrick a call and explain what you want. Patrick--are CR-123 cells the right size for that tube? You could run a couple of those in series....

And, yeah, charging on a non-stock board would be the hard part. That said, there's a big ol' hole where the old charger plug used to sit, so one could conceivably use that to one's advantage....

Jouster

ballistic

03-30-2004, 04:08 PM

mamba_juice we are working on a few different rechargable setups for the hoppers. They are going to be killer. Should have more info in a few days.

Jouster they will work but again you would end up throwing them away when they run down.

PowerEdge

04-20-2004, 02:26 AM

As long as the batteries put out 6 volts then there's no way that it can hurt anything. Batteries don't have voltage spikes or anything like that. The pack will put out 6 volts and no more. This pack will be just like the stock battery, but made out of higher quality cells that have more storage capacity. Not to mention the cheaper price!

Don't worry, they will be bench tested thoroughly and then I'll install them into each of my Angels and use them for a few weeks. I might also let Jason or someone else test one of these batteries, and would probably be able to keep the battery for free.

He is correct about voltage spikes. If you've taken a physics class you will learn that dc=alternating current and ac=alternating current. And just as the name suggest, ac=less stable. You learn more about why, once you get into motors, but for the general public dc=most stable general power source your going to get. Also to note, if your good at electronics you can build a angel battery pack, one thatll last alot longer than the current pack, and for ALOT cheaper. Radi* sh*ck is key. As far as frying. Impossible. When i measured the batteries, I found them to be 27mm in length and 17mm in width. The 17mm in width would mean there Battery Size A if that helps anyone. To be more precise I believe they are 2/3A or 1/2A. Either one *should* work. If your anything half of a electrician, you can take your current pack, remove the old batteries, and replace them with 5 new A batteries for under 10dollars (yes this would require you to solder). 2/3A 1100mAH NIMH batteries cost 1.50 a piece to put it into perspective.

If anyone wants me to be there guinea pig and do this for them, send me your pack, and ill replace the batteries, take all the pics and show the rest how easy it is to replace this pack for under 10-15bux.

Finally nothing against ballistic, I'm a do it my selfer, thats the only reason I state this information.

Sumohioguy28

04-20-2004, 07:22 AM

quick question would i have to send in my a4 battery pack to have one made or is all tha angel battiers tha same voltage?

PowerEdge

04-20-2004, 01:26 PM

quick question would i have to send in my a4 battery pack to have one made or is all tha angel battiers tha same voltage?

Read what I said right above you. And yes every single battery is the same voltage, that being 1.2V. 5x1.2v=6V.

mamba_juice

04-20-2004, 02:53 PM

now if i were to send you my current pack and have you replace it with cells that total to 9v, you could do it for under $20.

so with 5 cells, that would mean that each cell would have to be 1.8v. i could do it myself but i'm too lazy...

and to have it be rechargeable, you would have to install a plug on one end, then have the plug connect with both the wires going to the board with the same plug, and a charger that has the same plug. not that hard to do.

Jouster

04-20-2004, 03:06 PM

quick question would i have to send in my a4 battery pack to have one made or is all tha angel battiers tha same voltage?
Just to clarify: the final output voltage of the batteries differs between models of Angel, though; older Angels used 5 cells (5x1.2=6V), but newer Angels run on 4 cells (4x1.2=4.8V).

Ballistic's batteries are not just cells slapped together with some tin plate and a bit of solder; they are actually bound with copper. They also include a switch and the plug where the battery interfaces with the board; it really is a drop-in replacement. Finally, it's wrapped in high-quality electrical heat-shrink and professionally bench-tested before leaving the shop.

If you know about batteries, by all means, feel free to make your own. But, having now seen these batteries (just put one in a customer's gun the other night), I can vouch that these are some very, very high-quality replacements, better than what I could make in my home.

Jouster

Bee

04-21-2004, 10:06 AM

sure its a nobrainer

warfrik

06-15-2004, 01:17 PM

Would I be able to use the nimh batteries that Ballistic is selling on my LED. Leds comes with nicad batteries so I'm not sure but I think they have the same voltage(6V). If it works, would I be able to use the stock charger?

djroot2

06-15-2004, 03:00 PM

I would definitely buy something i could just drop in my halo and take out to charge afterwards.... it sucks having to buy tons of AA batteries or trying to not lose them in your gear bag.

walbuls

06-15-2004, 11:03 PM

Just to clarify: the final output voltage of the batteries differs between models of Angel, though; older Angels used 5 cells (5x1.2=6V), but newer Angels run on 4 cells (4x1.2=4.8V).

Ballistic's batteries are not just cells slapped together with some tin plate and a bit of solder; they are actually bound with copper. They also include a switch and the plug where the battery interfaces with the board; it really is a drop-in replacement. Finally, it's wrapped in high-quality electrical heat-shrink and professionally bench-tested before leaving the shop.

If you know about batteries, by all means, feel free to make your own. But, having now seen these batteries (just put one in a customer's gun the other night), I can vouch that these are some very, very high-quality replacements, better than what I could make in my home.

Jouster

So ur saying if u have a A4 u would use the speed one or the All angel one.