Speed & IR3 Differences

[kylelynch]

i have a big choice to make,:puzzled: i need a new angel and i have a choice of any angel. so should i get a SPEED or a CLASS IR3. :fighter: just to let u know i am a mid/back player.

thanks
kyle

[kylelynch]

or should i wait 2-3 months for the dark speed??

[ReNNtech C230]

wtf is SPEED? i have never heard of it. i guess i should keep up on sh...errrr stuff

[shaneOK]

i say, go with the class ir3, they will never let you down

[Emmit]

Renntech......the Speed is the newest marker from WDP. Just came out this weekend at the NPPL Vegas event.

[Paintballlmann]

I also say go with the IR3 i love mine!!

[Moss]

I have a dilema on my hands! Should i get a dark or a speed. I just want the best gun and plenty of opinions MONEY IS NOT A PROBLEM! Which is the better gun all around(including Milling) thank you in advance:angel: .

[Docnlk]

the dark has hot milling, probably better than the speeds, but I would personally wait till the speeds get some useage, and see if the reports on their performance fit you better as a player. So far, the speed looks like a lp slinging machine, no frills, no options while the dark has options up ace (no pun intended). So if you want lots of options (ie. cops settings, lcd function display, timer, vibes) go with the dark. On the other the speed still has sensi (cops 2 derivative), gated feed, cool milling, less stuff to screw with and lower pressure (I would think that with lp and sensi, chopping will be tough). So if you want to take it out and just sling without worry of settings, speed is probably more for you.

ps. Rumors (emphasis on rumors) slate a dark speed for about 6 weeks after initial speed release. So if money is not an object, paying $1500 for a spiffed out $950 gun might just be the ticket for you.

[LcdAngel2002]

i mean the speed you will never break a ball since its low pressure and u save like 600 which you could buy barrels and a air i say go with the speed but what do i know i got a ir3 too lol

[warpedx]

The speed seems to be a redesigned angel, to a farther extent than the iR3. It will most likely be slightly quieter, and have less kick due to the pressure differences. I'd wait until you get a chance to shoot a speed first, since the feel will probably be a bit different from an iR3.
The iR3 has the LCD screen, and all the bells and whistles to play with.
Just from looking at the specs, I'd lean towards the speed, but like always, try before you buy.

[warpedx]

The dark has all the bells and whistles, plus warranty. The speed cuts all the extra toys, but seems to have a lot more performance benefits. I would wait and see how they feel, plus if you wait for a dark speed, i bet they'll look pretty sweet.

[Kriptic]

support Warped Sportz th yare killer people who offer great service and tech info and just get a Dark IR3 or wait like 6-8 weeks and get their Warped Speed that will be out by then with new killer colors and possibly even milling done to it... idea get a Dark IR3 now the nbuy a Speed by Warped in a couple months, (all the glitches will be worked out with by then like on the IR3's whe nthey first came out)

[dr.strangelove]

If it was me, I'd go for the Class. Buy the angel with all the bells and whistles and sweet milling, then wait a couple months 'til they retrofit the LP internals of the Speed to the IR3, and you'll have the LP performance of the Speed (the only feature that makes the speed even slightly better than the IR3, IMO) and the awesome looks, and all the features of the IR3.

[dr.strangelove]

WarpedSportz still has a great warranty, the fact the everyone in the industry has copied it should tell you something.

Me, I'd get the Dark IR3. It looks nice, it's got all the bells and whistles of the IR3, and if you wait a few months you will probably be able to buy retrofitted Speed parts for, and then it will be LP, just as the Speed is. So, buy the Dark now, add Speed esque parts in a couple months, and then what will the Speed have up on your IR3? Also, you might want to look at the options, and even try them both out to see which one you think is best for you.

[Docnlk]

So, when you put the lp internals of the speed in your ir3 after they retrofit them, will you use like a six inch volumizer? Cuz it doesn't seem that they will have a big enough air chamber to keep your gun from getting major drop off. Hence the reason why the speed was all reconfigged. Great, so you put the lp internals in your IR3, but it won't help much, cuz the ir3 air passages are made for hp (much smaller). So that is what the speed will have, it will be a ow pressure gun, not a high pressure gun with lp internals.

[dr.strangelove]

Your scale of low and high pressure is very unusual if you consider the LCD and/or IR3 angels to be high pressure.

Anyway, the Speed needs a 6 inch volumizer (I actually don't think it needs one, but whatever WDP thinks will make them more money...), does this mean that it doesn't have a large enough air chamber to accomodate it's internals either? Would that not make it a high pressure marker with low pressure internals? Not to mention that the retrofits will be made FOR the IR3, so they will likely be made to work WITH the IR3.

[Docnlk]

well, the speed in the fon video showed the gun rippin just fine even without a volumizer. And comparatively, the pressure of the ir3 and lcd to the speed is high. Just because the internals will be retrofitted to the ir3, does not neccesarily mean that you will achieve the same effect to the same levels as the speed. As I stated (not to mention multiple other posts), the gun has been completely redesigned with bigger air passages and a larger air chamber that you will not have on your ir3 even if you change the internals. So if you think, or it is said, that you will need a very large volumizer on a speed, then think of the size you would need for an ir3 that already has less air chamber space internally (it would look like a garbage can sticking out the front of your gun). Just something to think about, because there is really no advantage to changing the internals on an ir3, they already shoots extremely well with the stock internals. Not to mention there is a big difference in the words "fit" and "work," the same way you could "fit" your lcd or ir3 with an lpr kit and micro rock, but those didn't help performance or "work," they just screwed a lot of people out of angel warranties.

[C.Carles-AOG]

Originally posted by 2advanced
Personally, I think the mystic of the Warped warranty is no more. You have places like Angel Parts, Mo's and Performance that are offering identical warranties for the markers they sell. Not to mention (IMO) they perform a better service request.

So truely the extra money is going more towards the name/look versus the once 'unique' warranty.

Let's add another point. Rocky was there certified tech. He's no longer with them. Who's teching your gun?

[perrystyle42]

What do you mean Rocky's no longer with them?

[Emmit]

Originally posted by 2advanced
However, where are you going to get a brand new CL*SS IR3?

Warped Sportz....want one? I know a line on a few Angels from Warped (both Darks and 2k3's)

[perrystyle42]

How do you mean Emmit? Discounts?

[captncrunch]

i'd get the speed, it's ging to have the same quality tha tother angels have and the performance is better, due to lp. I know that everyone disagrees that lp gives you flatter shots, but lp does make less recoil which in turn could make your shots more steady and accurate. the speed is alot cheaper too. and you do not need all of the bells and whistles, honestly, how many of you really use all of the crap on them, I mean the ir to program w/ the palm is nice but not needed.

[Emmit]

captncrunch.....how many bells and whistles do I use?

well just this past Sunday at Practice I used the IR in both send and fetch to make adjustments (both fine tuning adjustments and timer adjustments) on not only my IR3, but a buddies as well. I used all 4 timers, and COPS. Sounds like I use a lot of the bells and whistles....

[Emmit]

maybe.....maybe I know things you don't..... :dunno: maybe I know people you don't :dunno:

[Emmit]

no seriously....I don't know on that.....you simply asked where to get one, I know Warped has one...at least one......however read the fine print completely...it says the last Ocean Green....perhaps they are discontinuing that color scheme?

[ReNNtech C230]

hmmm maybe il just get a xtreme matrix or a freeflow matrix LOL

[GaLLi2k6]

I would just wait and get the Dark Speed. Thats what I am doing. Comes out in about 6-8 weeks and will be about $100 more than the "regular" Speed. Just imagine how much it would cost to make your Class ir3 low pressure? If you wanted to buy all brand new internals for the ir3, you're looking at $250-$300.

[GaLLi2k6]

You know how much money you will put into your ir3 to make it have speed internals :slapsforhead:

[Hindean]

Originally posted by C.Carles-AOG
Let's add another point. Rocky was there certified tech. He's no longer with them. Who's teching your gun?

i don't mind you speaking your mind, but don't make it sound like we don't have certified techs at our store, ...

Mike Bennett, Andy Damgaard(vicious), or Ed Poorman(lanche) @ the WHQ store

Gerwin Henn(vicious) or Keith @ the mississippi store

Jingle Rapiz(lanche) @ the california store & (team avalanche's personal gun tech)

there are also gun techs available at the indiana store & i believe there should be one at the tinley park store,

there are also 2 techs at the kansas city store, and there will be certified techs at the Texas subshop-,

so yes we do have techs, besides the legendary cagnoni ...lol,

[perrystyle42]

So that's true then Hindean? Rocky is no longer with you guys?

[kylelynch]

well i'm going to have one in my hands by fri, i'll put up a post when i get home, about everythin.

[phenomenon]

can you guys post your thought on which is better and why - thanks - im about to join the club of angel owners and i would like to get osme second opinions

[Emmit]

there's a couple of these threads in the Speed section. However they also got a little heated. Some people have automatically assumed the Speed will be better in every aspect and some are saying they're sticking with their IR3's. The biggest problem with that whole discussion is that noone even has a Speed yet. They are still trying to clear customs coming into the US from our last update from both Eric, and Ron.

[dr.strangelove]

There was a thread that asked this very question in the Speed section. There were some good comparisions, maybe you should check it out. Look at the features of both markers, if you can, shoot both, and then decide which one is right for you.

[HecklerP8ntbllr]

I just saw the Speed last night. Ill tell ya if all your looking for is bps it freakin ripps. How ever it is kind of plain and ugly. I shoot a Rocky IR3 and Ill stick with 15 bps for the looks and the weight.Its about 5 ounces lighter. I guess my point is if your big concern is only in laying paint the speed is the way to go.

[IBJanky]

I still think that the IR3s are better

[Jestersfollys]

this is another point of view question, you'll find the field pretty even, once the speed starts getting around, try it and try a cnc and see what you like, but as for me dark ir3.

[acoenfam1]

Why not wait a bit and get the best of both worlds when the Dark "Speed Demon" comes out in a few months. Just my thought.

[ws4eva]

right now i would have to say the the dark because the speed will have some minor problems just because it will be justr coming out. but like acoenfam said just wait for the dark speed.

[jasyn]

i think cobra should dub their 'speed' version "the viper" or something. =)

[IBJanky]

Dark IR3 :D

[pntbalmatt]

Do most of us think that the speed or the ir3 is cooler? The ir3 is more flashy but the speed is more performance driven. ... i wonder how many people are bitter that they paid close to the price of two speeds for their ir3 and will stick to "i love my ir3". WHAT IS UP PEOPLE man i am stoned

[IMPerfection]

you scare me matt. I think the Speed is cooler b/c the iR3 has
too many gizmos for me to like.

[pntbalmatt]

I scare me too.

[MorpheusX]

this has been puzzling me as well

the ir3 has:
COPS
Timer
IR
Opta Board

the speed has:
SENSI/LDS
Opta Board
Low Pressure

those are basically all of the important useful features
So doesnt it look like the ir3 out weighs the speed a little bit ?

im really confused by all of this

[j_gets]

See, I recently had to make that same decision. I decided that IR was pretty much useless, and that for me the most useful thing the IR3 had over the Speed was the timer. Since I really don't have the need for a timer (field announces when time's running low) and I really like the lower price, lower pressure/better flow, double detents, and improved paint detection, I had to go with the speed. Added to the fact that that I absolutely love the simplicity of the new setup, it was no contest. If a timer, thermometer, and ability to send stuff to your PDA is more important to you than the above listed points, by all means go IR3. Like someone else said before, the Speed is a gun for people who want to actually play the game, while the IR3 is for those who would rather sit and tinker with modes. If you're one of the latter, I highly recommend getting a graphing calculator or PDA, they're much less expensive and have more cool things to play with (including IR and timers. :flipoff: )


J

[jasyn]

it's kinda like this ...

the ir3 is the ferrari 360 modena
your standard luxury and common conveniences.
a/c, rich leather, 12x climant control zones.

the speed is the ferrari 360 modena (challenge stradale)
toss out all the "luxury", toss the a/c, radio and throw in race seats and lots of carbon fibre. make it lighter and meaner.

well .. not a *great* comparison but you kinda get the idea. both still perform like mofos and are sexy as hell. one is a great all around performer. the other is more focused and gives up some of the creature comforts.

i'm going to wait a few months to see what bugs there are to work out. after that i'll seriously consider picking up a cobra speed.

[5150]

nice alliteration

[IMPerfection]

ummm u mean metaphor? lol

[cody11scrappy]

LCD's are better than both a irs or speed

[captncrunch]

:pileocrap :flipoff: :moon::thefinger

[pntbalmatt]

yea cody, you're misinformed, cool guy.

[specforcesin2010]

I think the speed is the no frills COPO camaro (circa 1969) of the paintball world today

[pntbalmatt]

I would say that a speed is like a racing ferrari formula 1 car or something. It's not old and unreliable like a 69 camaro might be, it's the meanest, best performing thing ever built.. and ... welll if WDP would make this gun in red, you would all see it so clearly!!! i am gonna be really mad if some Fast and the Furious enthusiast compares this gun to a "really tuned honda civic" because come on, don't be stupid.

hey specforces, do you go to west point? if so, that is the coolest thing ever, but i bet a lot of the cadets would be really annoying to play paintball with. Most military folk are. Oh, by the way, I'm navy ROTC :-D so next time you need to storm into combat give me a call and my boys will be happy to give you a ride :sailor: :headbutt: :fence:

[j_gets]

Wow, lots of military boys on here. I'm currently Army ROTC (unsigned) and thinking about going Marines PLC. I'm either going to summer training this summer and next with the Army or summer training next summer with the Marines. Navy told me to piss off because I'll have way more credits than I need when I graduate. Stupid reason. Either way I'm going to try to go flight, Apaches in Army and F-18s or Cobras in the Marines if I had a choice.


Laters.



J

[specforcesin2010]

pntbal matt, I hate to get into the minutae of metaphors but as a muscle car renovator the 1969 COPO Camaro aka Yenko Camaro (my baby), has the aluminum 427, 5 speed Bor warner tranny, and a 4:11 rear end. Just pure balls out 500 horsepower. No air conditioning, no leather, no FM radio, no nothing. By the way, its not the model year that makes the car un-reliable, its the wear, tear, and miles on the engine. Just like a paintball marker. Its the age and use of the internals that make it an unreliable piece of junk. Your F1 costs about 300K$. The average man can't afford that, however, the average joe can afford to buy a pimped out 1964-1972 muscle car from me for about 30K. So like I said, the Speed, like a true 60's-70's muscle car, is a no amenities, no frills, no fufu girly bull sh-t, pure balls out performer.

[specforcesin2010]

By the way Matt, yeah I go to west point, its a real pain in the ass. I wish I went Navy rotc to georgetown, but its too late now. And when I go storming into combat, I'll go airborne and take an air force C-130. There really isn't much need for a Navy anymore other than Boomer subs and super carriers. And I look forward to Army avenging its misfortunate loss last December.....

[pntbalmatt]

hey, marines are navy too. Personally I think we need to equip our military with K-10 units (kitten...)

meow

[pntbalmatt]

in response to the muscle car thing... i like drag supras and skylines better than inferior american vehicles! why can the japanese get 1000+ hp out of a V6 but americans need 8-10 cylinders to get anything respectable? (i.e. not the v-6 mustang)... the new Z is so much cooler than any recent mustang. American cars were cool in the olden days, now they should just go the way of the Rutherford's model of the atom, IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT. Oh, ummm, angels are cool.

[wdp child]

I personally like the ir3 better. I like the lcd, all the mods and the cops that comes with it. To be honest who needs to shoot 30bps? Not me.....I dont really mind if it has low pressure or not because I refill my tank often enough to feed my gun fine. If I had the money I would go with the ir3.

[captncrunch]

i like the speed, and if I was buying one of the rwo, I would go with speed, but... believe me, I'm not rushing off to sell my ir3 and get a speed, the differences aren't that big of a deal to me, my next gun probably won't be a speed since I have an ir3.

[padrinot]

id go with the ir3 myself until the bugs are worked out with thte speed there is bound to be a few bugs to be worked out

[-=[SpLaT]=-KiNg]

I am seriously considering buying an angel, probably a speed but I have a question before I go spending my cash. I was looking on moe's and saw that the speed was $950 but then I saw that the IR3 C&C was only $100 more at $1050. I was wondering why should I buy a speed when the ir3 c&c is only $100 more; I mean isn't the ir3 better or what (I seem to be missing something here). Would the speed be better than the ir3 c&c or what, I would appreciate any help you could offer i'm not a nube but I don't know much about angels.

[IMPerfection]

speed is the racing edition, iR3 is the luxury edition. iR3 has all the bells and whistles like text messaging, ir beaming, LCD, etc. Speed has the performance functions such as Low pressure, LED, new improved internals, etc. Your call.

[DasBaldDog]

We've got two Speed's at my shop... well, one now. One got sold.

[cameroncarnes]

IR3. My friend got a speed and right out of the box it had problems. I still like my Dark IR3. I view the speed as a cheap version of the angel. Inthe near future the IR3 will have a better board for 30 bps or whatever the speed does.

[welt_master2005]

like they all say, the speed will have problems. i am i this bind right now also, however i am porbably going to jus get an IR3.

from what i have seen, the differences is that the speed is all about bps and the IR3 is about the technical stuff like text messaging, etc., etc. also another difference is LPR but that should be fixed for the IR3 sometime in the future.

so, im like you not knowing what i want to get but i will probably end up getting the IR3 unless something changes my mind like my birthday this thursday or something, lol.

[kissmyglock]

Low pressure is the big differance. My 2cents speed will be more consitance.However I here Talk about IR3 with speed internal.I wanted to know the same thing as you but I went for the speed because or LP.

[FamousFallChild]

go with the speed.because if i am not mistaken it is alot more efficient and lighter than the ir3

[IshBalla]

i'd go with a spyder... yeah.... =P

[Target]

Hi everyone, I just wanted to be stupid and start another useless topic that just waist bandwidth much like the other 10 or 20 topics you all start about the speed.

[uvalaxman19]

IMO any ir3 is over any speed

[ReyRex]

Hmm, I have a blue C&C IR3, that I bought at cup. I am thinking of getting a Speed. I like the IR3, but . . . this Speed my be just more than the gun of the month. It may be the next step in all markers?

for now Impact IR3

PS, I may sell my IR3 for a Speed hmmm, any offers

[captncrunch]

:repost:This is like the 100th thread I have seen about this, no one but you cant tell you whats best, they are both good guns and it comes down to personal preference of what YOU want to shoot, read through the many threads talking of the features and stats of both and then make up your mind about what you like best:duh:

[FamousFallChild]

well i would have to say my dark ir3 is better.as far as i am concerned there is no advantage to the speed.even if you can shoot 30 bps there isnt a loader to keep up with that and do you really need all those balls in the air at once??? i can hit about 19 on my dark ir3 and thats alot of paint so i say the ir3(ive only shot my dark)

[ov3rmind]

are you for real ?!

wait, did you ask ...

IMPACT ir3 or speed ??!

dude...... an IMPACT ir3 is the grand-daddy of them all...

UN-comparable !


IMPACT iR3 ALL THE WAY !


trust me, i shoot my blue to black dust impact ir3 w/ pride!

or would you rather have a speed that every one will now buy instead of an impulse ?

[Target]

I Have an impact IR3, I know, they are nice, it is silver dust special edition, only 10 of them were ever made...
maybe I'll post a pic

[Target]

Here is a pic

[DogSniffMe]

i'm new to angels and i just wanted to know what's the differences/similarities between the speed and the ir3. Also what are the pros/cons. I'm seriously considering buying one of the two or a matrix, so any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[IMPerfection]

These threads are getting kinda repetitive. Both have the same type of ACS, same 90* frame with TOE adjustment, and same basis operation. The Speed is low pressure, shoots faster, has an LED instead of LED, only comes in 3 colors, switches the LPR to the other chamber, is cheaper, and (IMHO) is a better dea lthan the iR3. The iR3 has an LCD with a gazillion features u wont use, high pressure, tons of colors and millings, and costs more. Go with the speed over iR3 or 'Trix... I just made the exact same decision myself (except with a new Adrenalin Impulse added to the mix), and I am quite happy with my choice.

[Emmit]

imagine what a search can do people.......I merged at least 5 threads if not more into 1 single thread because they all asked the same darned question, and they were all in the Speed forum too, imagine that.

[the one]

Hey guys,
I was wondering if yall could give me yalls opinion on wich gun i should get. It would either be:

1) A 2003 Dark Angel Ir3

2) A Rocky Ir3

3) or a Speed

It would be great if yall could give me so answers, right now i am usein a 2002 Angel Lcd. I play front and mid, this might sound dumb but i am shooting too much paint.
Thanks in advance.

[captncrunch]

There were a couple of other threads talking about this, browse through some of the first speed threads or search, you'll find alot more info, and it's quicker than waiting for replies.

[CpCnCir3]

i dont get what u meant by that shooting too much paint comment.... if u DONT like shooting too much paint i wouldnt get the speed, lol.

if u are looking for performance get a speed. if u want all the fancy things and a higher price tag get an ir3. dont get me wrong, the ir3 is still a reliable and proven beast. either way the speed still has the wdp reliability reguardless of all the fools who complain of first shot drop off because they didnt charge their gun. my advice is, go with the newer and better product with the cheaper price. get a speed.

[speed123]

SPEED FFOR LIFE! no need to find out the temp and crap! thats what weather men are for!

[Kdog-13]

Speed!

[velvetunderground]

if your shooting to much then dont get either one man go get a cocker or something, electonic guns(most of them) are made to be shot fast or you could trying buying either gun and shooting fast but not much paint or dont carry as much paint on the field. Just my thought. I would buy an Angel Speed and limit myself to how much paint I carried if I was you.

[Slaphappy]

I ve got the speed...so get one its cheap and the same quality as the ir3 just without the lcd screen

[Kriptic]

why don't you just get the best of both worlds... wait about 4-8 weeks and you could get a Speed Demon... huh... it's like nice and a warped product, but is fast and a Speed... nice huh? the news i heard said that it'll be out around then so save up and it's yours, just make sure theres enough for me cuz' i'll be picking one up... yeah that means i'll have 3 angels nice huh? i guess i can now have a backup for my backup... or so ican provide that one cheap kid without a gun one of my own... .wait i lied hehe

[Slaphappy]

lucky ass :)

[BURLEY]

definitly the speed, ir3 is nice, real nice. But if you are looking for performance you won't be needing all the fancy stuff on the IR3.
better to use the saved money for a good air system and an EVO or HALO B

[Emmit]

and another merge is complete.....