Magno Kit + Cp Reg

[R5TOM]

Sorry if already been done but cant find it any where.

I have a joy a1 with magno kit +cp reg +lp bottle from dxs the fps is at 280
has anyone else done there a1 like this pls help only getting about 5=140 pods with a 3500 fill out of the marker thanks.
wot should i set the reg and pressures at on the a1

ps sorry if already been said.

tommo /gunner:purplebananna:

[Trigga Nometry]

If you were able to get your hands on a Magno kit already, it'd be best to contact whoever sold it to you as most of us are waiting patiently for the kit to be released to the general public. Wish we could help, but the number of people that have the kit right now is very few.

Do you have the full kit or just the ram/hammer?

[R5TOM]

i have the ram and the valve kit i had it for about 3 weeks now:purplebananna:

[Xansas]

I was getting the same efficiency. Check with your supplier as there was an issue with a limited number of valves where the stem was slightly too long causing them to wear out after a few thousand shots.

I'd suggest listening closely to the front of your marker when gassed up. You may hear a slight bubbling or leaking sound, if this is the case. If not, it's still worth checking with your supplier to see if you have the shorter magno valve.

Hope this helps.

[Old Guy]

HUH....I'm still waiting to see, let alone get ,any of the new A1 upgrades!
R5TOM..where are you??

[Xansas]

In the UK, they are quite easy to get ahold of, so I presume (s)he is also located here.

[Trigga Nometry]

In the UK, they are quite easy to get ahold of, so I presume (s)he is also located here.Go right ahead and rub it in :Ayociexp119:.

LOL!

[MVS1]

I'm going to be pissed (or maybe pleased, not sure which) if i can pick up the magno internals in Germany (won't be there till 27 June) before they're available here in the states.

[no limit]

I also would check to see if there is a slight leak. My first valve I received was leaking through the cup seal pretty badly. The replacement sealed perfectly with no detectable air leak, yet.

I currently have mine set at 200, with an LPR of 57 and dwell at 5.5. The consistency is very good buy I haven't had a real in depth test to see if I will get shoot down with this setup.

The magno's thus far have not been getting very favorable reviews in real world testing. The word is, the magno's are good for another couple pods over the gen 2's. No one is getting anywhere close to the 1700 that was originally rumored. I'm sure this will improve as they break in (doesn't seem like there should be much to break in though as the spring has been replaced with a magnet), and the guys in the know come up with new "magno" settings to take advantage of them, but I can't see it getting that much better.

[Shibbykins]

keep in mind most of the "testers" are sponsored teams who are regular end users not more technical minded ones like alot of us are, with the technical ones not having silly issues with the magno. so ofcourse there will be issues with people saying negative about it if they dont have thier equipment setup properly and maintained. as with most issues people think they can take thier markers aparts clean relube and such and maintain the same EXACT settings. I know with my stuff i fluctuate pressures with every teakdown and resetting is needed.

in the end i firmly believe that most of the issues is with the end user. im sure a decent percentage is the prototype equipment but i still gravitate towards not fully informed end users.

[no limit]

I will agree to an extent. My issue was certainly not user error. There was a flaw in the mold which caused a massive leak upon airing marker. There have been a couple other owners with the same problem. It is like anything else however, the one's who are very happy don't say a word, and those having problems make sure it is known.

Yes, all of us really don't have the information needed to get the most out of the magno internals at this time. But some have done some extensive testing, playing with multiple settings, and no one has come close to reaching the initial rumor for shots per tank.

I am a little disappointed that APS hasn't released some "magno" settings to replace the current joy one's out there. This would help remedy some of the negativity that has been brought up by people trying to tune their gun's, "in the dark".

[no limit]

Here's kind of what I'm talking about. As you can see it's not rocket science putting it together. The pic's suck but it's too late to really care, lol.

As you can see the Magno has done away with the spring and gone to a magnetic setup to close the valve quicker with less parts to wear out or break in.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL426/2023328/19688412/319992798.jpg

Here is a closeup, albeit blurry, pic of the valve guide. The differences between the magno and stock are: when looking inside the valve from the top, the grooves on each side of the guide are cut about 20% deeper on the magno. There is a bumper on the magno and the face of the guide is now angled in, instead of being flat, and the valve itself is delrin (or similar material), and has quite a bit of the shaft milled down.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL426/2023328/19688412/319993940.jpg

The problem I had was; with the new guide being angle cut, it really must be perfectly cast (there is less of the face in contact with the valve itself) or it doesn't seal right. The removal of the spring probably doesn't help either as it has less pressure on the valve as well.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL426/2023328/19688412/319992797.jpg

[bit_bucket]

For those of you who have gotten ahold of the kit, are there specific gun settings that they give you with the kit to make it work properly with the A1? Specifcly things like dwell, shot filtering % and pressures?

[frazer]

I thought enough of these settings had been made public in plenty of places on the various forums that had information on the fly and the magno valve and what pressure it runs at. Set the in line reg at 200psi then when that is set move onto the LPR and set that at 55psi. Remember you must set the in line pressure first before you set the LPR pressure.

[Trigga Nometry]

I thought enough of these settings had been made public in plenty of places on the various forums that had information on the fly and the magno valve and what pressure it runs at. Set the in line reg at 200psi then when that is set move onto the LPR and set that at 55psi. Remember you must set the in line pressure first before you set the LPR pressure.That sounds simple enough to follow to me.

[bit_bucket]

I thought enough of these settings had been made public in plenty of places on the various forums that had information on the fly and the magno valve and what pressure it runs at. Set the in line reg at 200psi then when that is set move onto the LPR and set that at 55psi. Remember you must set the in line pressure first before you set the LPR pressure.

Sorry about the question, I have searched and dialed to find the info here on this site. Are there any computer settings that need to be modified like dwell?

[no limit]

I thought enough of these settings had been made public in plenty of places on the various forums that had information on the fly and the magno valve and what pressure it runs at. Set the in line reg at 200psi then when that is set move onto the LPR and set that at 55psi. Remember you must set the in line pressure first before you set the LPR pressure.

I wouldn't say the setting's are all over the place. I have only seen them surface once, pertaining to the Magno settings. I think the one's I saw showed 200psi, 57 lpr, and a dwell of 5.5. These were just recommendations though, not an official setting.

[BoB]

The valve kit has not been officially released hence the lack of official settings being published. The Company which has sold a handful of the kits should have the appropriate information to provide to their Customers if they do not then they should contact us. The kits were not ready for official release there was lack of communication on our part and this is why they are not available at the moment. As soon as the official shipment is confirmed, product tested we will let everyone know and then pre-orders will be filled.

[bit_bucket]

Thanks Bob. Appreciate the info.

[no limit]

The valve kit has not been officially released hence the lack of official settings being published. The Company which has sold a handful of the kits should have the appropriate information to provide to their Customers if they do not then they should contact us. The kits were not ready for official release there was lack of communication on our part and this is why they are not available at the moment. As soon as the official shipment is confirmed, product tested we will let everyone know and then pre-orders will be filled.

Good to hear. I'd be curious to see what the official settings are, compared to what we have come up with, based on messing around with them.

[budda]

Hey No Limit try the settings that fraizer posted and let us know how those worked out.

Please everyone be patieant APS and The MT are doing the best job they can. Sometimes the Manafacture/productions mishaps/set backs and or other things happen.

Just continue to use your A1s, shooting off faces like I do.

[no limit]

Hey No Limit try the settings that fraizer posted and let us know how those worked out.

Please everyone be patieant APS and The MT are doing the best job they can. Sometimes the Manafacture/productions mishaps/set backs and or other things happen.

Just continue to use your A1s, shooting off faces like I do.

I've been running close to those for a few days now. I started with 200 psi and 57 lpr. I'm not sure where I currently am for psi (I had to bump it quite a bit to get 285, and haven't bothered checking since), but am having some issues with FSDO. I'm not going to worry about it until I get a few cases of paint through it. Right now the first few shots go as follows: 250,260,270, and then it settles around the 285. This is with about a 15 second break between shot groupings. I am getting some unusual inconsistencies though. Stock I was +-4 FPS. With the magno I am bouncing +-12. I'm not sure if this is because the kit is not broke in or if I need to change something. I've played with the dwell a little but haven't seen it really affect anything. I think it's at 5.5, up from 5, right now.

[Shibbykins]

whats the pressure comming from your tank

[no limit]

whats the pressure comming from your tank

I'm not sure, but it's a crossy so I can't imagine it being the problem. If you were asking for if it's an HP or LP, it's LP.

[Shibbykins]

just cuz its LP or a crossy doesnt mean its right. LP covers a wide range. LP angels are rated for a minumum of 400-450PSI into the HPR from the tank. so if your "lp" tank is pumoing out less then that your gonna have issues and if its pumping out midpressure range to HP range you will have issues. knowing actual pressures works wonders for diagnositcs.

you can make a tester from a old duckbill and a guage or buy one from AKA for like 40 bucks and it has a lever bleeder on it. its kinda kool. i myself use a Hybrid 1/4 turn on/off with a guage

[no limit]

OK then, why when using the same tank on stock internals, did I not have the same problem?

[R5TOM]

Thanks u guys for your input i am going to the guys a lips (london internainal paintball supplys) to get jon who is a king on angel a1s to go thro it all with me so when he sets it up i will let u guys know wot pressures to run ur angels at also i will be getting 20 x 100 pots so 2000 rounds on saturday probly with a 3500 fill and see wot i get out of my joy a1 so we will soon no wots wot i think it will get about 1200 shots from a 3500 fill?

[Purkel]

just got my magno kit today from bob.

should i lube the metal stem that slides into the silver valve? its metal on metal and seems like a tight fit.

[Xansas]

Thanks u guys for your input i am going to the guys a lips (london internainal paintball supplys) to get jon who is a king on angel a1s to go thro it all with me so when he sets it up i will let u guys know wot pressures to run ur angels at also i will be getting 20 x 100 pots so 2000 rounds on saturday probly with a 3500 fill and see wot i get out of my joy a1 so we will soon no wots wot i think it will get about 1200 shots from a 3500 fill?

As far as I understand it, the 'perfect setup' of the magno valve kit will vary depending on what tank you use, so the settings valid for your marker may not hold true for another player with another tank. Can anyone verify or discredit this?

[Purkel]

As far as I understand it, the 'perfect setup' of the magno valve kit will vary depending on what tank you use, so the settings valid for your marker may not hold true for another player with another tank. Can anyone verify or discredit this?

why would the tank matteR? no matter what the pressure is coming out of the tank, the air is regulated thru the HPR so it shouldnt make a difference inside the gun. right?

[Xansas]

why would the tank matteR? no matter what the pressure is coming out of the tank, the air is regulated thru the HPR so it shouldnt make a difference inside the gun. right?

That seems logical, but I've been told otherwise by 2 angel techs on separate occasions that it's the case - so I'm not sure what to believe.

[Old Guy]

It seems to me that if your tank output is at the correct value ( 440-460 psi) and is constant...then the A1's HPR should be giving correct operating values at both end of the marker.
Your gauges are your best bet for getting accurate set up data.

So again, it shouldn't matter what you are using as your air supply..just that your O2 is going at the correct value and that the HPR on the A1 is functioning correctly.

Ciao.

Ice White Angel ,Red Accents and Stiffi Tip.

[pittbull01231]

I think when they are talking about the tank presure being off the recommended value and it making problems with the marker are for A1's with the stock mini reg. And I think that just has something to do with the way the stock mini reg is made. And also if you have a preset tank (and correct me if im wrong) at 450 and its only putting out say 400 then its probly not going to be as consistant. I do belive they set the tanks at there "preset" because that is where they are the most consistant and if you loss that then you are bound to have issues.

[Old Guy]

That sounds more like the key of the problem.
My A1 is still using the stock reg on the and am feeding it with a PMI LP-45/4500.
Now I've put, acording to my marker, 38K shots fired...and the marker is now just getting "broken in". I suspect that at 50K count the A1 should be fully "broken in".
I've been fortunate as to be able to access the MT services of Owen Ronayne at Badlands here in Toronto. OK now back to this treads origin...the latest incarnation of the Magno upgrades should be showing up here in Toronto over the next 2 weeks..I'm on the list for the complete Magno package and the White Eye covers.
As for what I'm hoping to get from the upgrades is getting 1000-1200 from my 45/4500 tank and 1500-1800 shots from my new 68/4500 LP tank.
Eventhough I dont' play as much tourney ball as I would like... I do a lot of recball and scenario so having an A1 with long legs and smoother functioning is a serious plus.

[pittbull01231]

well this is more of my thoughts and experiance then actual fact. but the probly may be in your tank reg. I remember when I first swapped from CO2 I purchassed a PMI tank and I used it for years untill I found the glory of an Angel. I put it on a IR3 and thought it was the worst damn gun ever because it just worked like crap. I went to the field on day and a more seasoned player put a better tank on there and it was like a whole other gun. I guess the point im tring to make is if you get a 50 dollor tank your gonna get 50 dollor performance. You get what you pay for. See when you buy a tank your pretty much spending all the money on the reg. A 50 dollor tank and a 200 dollor tank can have the same out put pressure but the flow rates are gonna be diffrent. To narrow it down try uping your tank or borrow one and see if you notice a diffrence. Id say check out a cross fire.

[Old Guy]

Well, I've yet to have a proper Q & A on the subject of tank output flow rates.
Given the fact that a cf tank (the tank itself) are almost a generic product, then as you pointed out there comes a question of the quality of the tanks output regulator?
I've asked my MT as to the quality of the PMI's that Badlands sells and Owen informed me that the tanks are ok...but there is always room for improvement.
A long email "conversation" I've had with Owen was infact as to the "art and science of properly filling your O2 tank". This is expecialy imprtant when I'm using a 45/4500 tank.
The PMI tanks are more common up here ,I may have to take a look at upgrading the output tank reg.

Ciao and thank you for the response.

[pittbull01231]

Yeah the tank its self is pretty generic all around. I have yet to find anything on flow rates myslf. If you go to upgrade ill just say ive never heard anything bad about CF, Myth, or the Smart Parts Micro Flo regs. If you do alot of air travel with your gear the Smart Parts is a pretty good deal. You can take the reg off the tank for travel. (Im not sure of airline restrictions in Canada) Down here you have to take the reg off the tank! And you can swap it from HP to LP pretty easily ive understood. As far as perfromance ive never heard anything bad about it.

[Old Guy]

Well I'll keep you informed as to the results of both the Magno upgrades and I'll question Owen regarding tanks,regs,the black art of correctly filling an O2 tank and what's new.

Thanks for the input.