Where did the thread about DIY eyes install go?

[joelanders]

There was a thread I just recently saw in which the guy walked through the whole drilling, tapping, etc for putting eyes in an angel.

Now I can't seem to find it.....

Point me in the right direction?

[xmc1146]

he didnt continue to post. but i suggest to look at predatorelectonics.com and click on the manual for milling eyes. there you should find how to DIY eye install. or you could have them do it and get the board. its better since it comes with the limited lifetime warranty.

[joelanders]

Thanks for clearing that up.
I have heard about this elusive manual on predator before, but I kept looking for it on the left column of their website! For some reason, I didn't see the "Manuals" button at the top. Just found it though and that will help me a lot.

Thanks again.

[xmc1146]

no problem. just be carefull and good luck. be sure to tap the hole where the rod use to be. and if you can increase the porting of the other holes it would help better air flow thus it will lower your lpr.

[joelanders]

I heard you didn't need to fill the sensi/cops hole? I was planning to anyway since it's small and not a big deal, but I wasn't going to worry about it too much.

I feel stupid asking... but increase the porting on what other holes?

[xmc1146]

ahhh, i see they didnt specify in the manual of which to tap close except where the rod goes. if you could see the pix they trying to increase most of the air passages.
like i suggest to everyone. get the mt's to do it and you get a warranty and a better board. also free tuning and cleanning.

[for2nato]

the cops fill is not as simple as you might think. if you are not going to do it complete, you are waisting your time even filling the hole. there are more air passages involved in the cops area than just the rod hole.
oh and the post you are looking for was done by PB4HIM
look him up he did a good job

[xmc1146]

true that.. thats why leave it to experts. warranty included! if they mess it up. you know youll get a new A1 or so you wish they mess up. hehe

[for2nato]

well i doubt they will give you an a1. but you will end up with another marker if they were to mess up. but i got to be honest. they arent going to mess up. thats why they call them "Master Techs". and thats why you send your markers to them.

[joelanders]

I was looking at the price and adding all the cool stuff up, and for ~300 bucks it really isn't that much more. At first glance it seemed like a lot, but with board, eyes, service, and no risk, eh. I'm considering it.

[for2nato]

ill put it this way. if you even slightly feel there is a risk doing it yourself. then have someone else do it for you. the fact is that one little "oops" could totally trash your marker.

[joelanders]

Well, if I just want to do the eyes, all I have to drill is 4 holes right? (2 for the eyes, and 2 for the wiring) The holes are straight into the gun, with standard 3 mm and 4 mm drill bits.... so i wrap the gun up in towels and clamp it onto a drill press... what is so complicated about this? Am I missing something huge?

And xmc1146 said that if I get it drilled through predator, I get a better board. Do you mean that I get a board different (better) than the predator board they sell separately?

I (not to contadict what I said earlier about it being a bargain:lost:) figure that I can spend 100-140ish dollars on a board, 20 bucks for lucky dm laser eyes, 20 bucks for eye-covers (im guessing a4 fly covers will fit an a4 nicely?) and be good to go. I don't really need the servicing (yet) as I bought the gun new in box (surprising, yes) a few months ago and have only used it a few times.

I have a diy man's level of experience with a drill press, and assuming I practice a bit on aluminum tubing before I maul my gun, and assuming I clamp the gun down nice and tight, I really don't see what could go wrong.

To sum it up: Is it that hard to drill 4 holes?

sorry to be so stubborn about this, i should listen better.... but c'mon now...

[xmc1146]

Well, if I just want to do the eyes, all I have to drill is 4 holes right? (2 for the eyes, and 2 for the wiring) The holes are straight into the gun, with standard 3 mm and 4 mm drill bits.... so i wrap the gun up in towels and clamp it onto a drill press... what is so complicated about this? Am I missing something huge?

And xmc1146 said that if I get it drilled through predator, I get a better board. Do you mean that I get a board different (better) than the predator board they sell separately?

I (not to contadict what I said earlier about it being a bargain:lost:) figure that I can spend 100-140ish dollars on a board, 20 bucks for lucky dm laser eyes, 20 bucks for eye-covers (im guessing a4 fly covers will fit an a4 nicely?) and be good to go. I don't really need the servicing (yet) as I bought the gun new in box (surprising, yes) a few months ago and have only used it a few times.

I have a diy man's level of experience with a drill press, and assuming I practice a bit on aluminum tubing before I maul my gun, and assuming I clamp the gun down nice and tight, I really don't see what could go wrong.

To sum it up: Is it that hard to drill 4 holes?

sorry to be so stubborn about this, i should listen better.... but c'mon now...

since your mechanically incline like some of us or should i say "confident" and not some pu55y. go for it...
when you send your gun to be milled for eyes it comes with the whole package: mill for the eyes and open up air passages, board, cleaning, tuning, warranty, etc. also the predator 3mm eyes takes e-blade eye cover. a4fly eye covers are different size.
as far as i know when you drill the eyes. you suppose to drill it one at a time. you suppose to measure from the front body of the marker to the middle spot where the eye is gonna be drilled. and then drill it with the 4mm to make it as a counter sink.
remember this if you DIY it will be more expensive to have it repair for drilling than actually just get it milled.
i suggest if you have all the part that practise of a different metal (preferably an aluminum pipe) and get use to it.
and last suggestion. don't use a towel to hold the marker. use some kind of rubber material like a mat! and cut into a square pieces.

[joelanders]

E-blade covers. Thanks for that. I think thats what PB4HIM used. Looks like they need screws to hold them on? Couple more holes there? And tapping for a 4-40 thread? I might cheat on that....

I saw the countersink part in the predator manual. That shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for the suggestion on the rubber mats. Mousepads?

Thanks for telling me what I wanted to hear. I just figured "Why spend 300 bucks to get my gun predatord when I can buy a predatord IR3 for that much?" Or something like that. Thank you all for your help and suggestions. I'll post pics if/when I do this.

[xmc1146]

E-blade covers. Thanks for that. I think thats what PB4HIM used. Looks like they need screws to hold them on? Couple more holes there? And tapping for a 4-40 thread? I might cheat on that....

I saw the countersink part in the predator manual. That shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for the suggestion on the rubber mats. Mousepads?

Thanks for telling me what I wanted to hear. I just figured "Why spend 300 bucks to get my gun predatord when I can buy a predatord IR3 for that much?" Or something like that. Thank you all for your help and suggestions. I'll post pics if/when I do this.

i would buy all the material first to see what you need to do. yes any rubber pads will do. including mouse pad. unless your vise has serated grips then you would need a thicker rubber.
you can go on a field and look for someone that has an A4 and had their eyes done. and youll probably have a better picture of how to DIY eyes

[for2nato]

what i was talking about was the bypass for the cops system. you cant run a fly eye cover without doing this. if you dont block off the cops then you need to be carefull where you run your wires. the diverter plate is right under where you would normally bring the wires out of the frame up to the breech. i would just recomend you read about this before you drill your marker. that way there are no supprises.

[xmc1146]

no problem. just be carefull and good luck. be sure to tap the hole where the rod use to be. and if you can increase the porting of the other holes it would help better air flow thus it will lower your lpr.

sorry i wasnt very "specific about this". yeah plug up em holes so you can route the wires. =D

[joelanders]

Ahhh... alright I see this diverter plate thing now. That would be a piece of work if I drilled that wrong wouldn't it?

Any ideas on where to find those Eblade eye covers? I googled for longer than I care to admit today and they are out of stock everywhere. Namely Bradyspaintball.com which seemed to be the only place that even listed them...

I posted a WTB on pbnation, so hopefully I'll get lucky there.

Thanks a ton for your help guys, people as dedicated to helping others as you two make this forum the best.

[xmc1146]

predatorelectronics.com has the e-blade eyes. im not sure if they have it on stock. they have tht e eyes also. so might as well get the 2 at the same place. saves you $ on shipping.

[joelanders]

I don't see the E-blade eyes but I do see the "Predator DM Red Laser Eyes"http://www.predatorelectronics.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=10&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

I'm assuming these are 3mm like the lucky eyes I was considering.
I don't see anything about eye covers though...

[xmc1146]

hmm.. i thought thats what they put on there for their eye strap. if that's what they put, may be they sell it too? just email bob or deana or their sales department. may be they have one in stock.

[joelanders]

I'm going to ask right now.

/useless post

[dr.strangelove]

If you want to avoid bypassing the COPS diverter plate and hole, you could theoretically mill the slot in the grip frame instead of the gun body, and the eye wires would still come out just fine. Might affect your eye covers though.

[joelanders]

Thanks for that suggestion strangelove. I'll definitely check that out when I get the eye covers in.