A1's Cold Weather Advantage

[Trigga Nometry]

http://www.wdp.tv/newsupdate/231106-cold/coldweath.html

[RickA4]

Straight from the fridge! that's insane! Damn Frank, can't wait for my tax return! unbelievable!!

[thatguy!]

Maximus's english sure has improved since OC.... :|

But whatever.

[Shooters~SOBA]

i didnt think it was possable to shoot hellfire without making soup.

[thatguy!]

Hellfire is a piece of cake. How bout rounding up some blue shelled inertia pro and throwing THAT in the fridge and trying to shoot that stuff?

[boostmonkey]

OK, so what is this "KISS technology" that WDP is telling us the A1 has that is so gentle on paint? Do they mean the lighter bolt with the beveled edge? If clipping balls in the feed stack is a major reason for chopping let's get a new bolt made for older Angels for fix it.

http://www.wdp.tv/angel1/angel1mail.html

[RickA4]

It can't be that hard to do...with the majority of angel owners having older style Angels. That would be a dream come true. then again, it's also a push to the new marker and more money.

[masspb]

nice

i dont think it is just the lighter bolt but the ram also. kinda like if i threw a brick at u compared to if i threw a penny. brick heavier = more pain, penny lighter = nothing

[RickA4]

unless the penny smacks you in the eye! lol

[BustA]

Maximus's english sure has improved since OC.... :|

But whatever.


haha you're right. that doesn't sound very maximus-ish, does it?

[BAKERmancan]

uuuhhh....unless they break that down technically i'm gonna say it's just a bunch of hype to make a selling point.

To me it's not easier on paint than any other gun since you could adjust settings on your other angel to make it shoot more fragile paint.

[MAster_Dekoy]

yea i tried my angel one in the cold and the gun would not shoot. so it will shoot cold paint, as long as the gun is warm.

[KEN CRANE]

ok... here i go again. my turn. yes joy cools the paint they shoot. many have seen the 6 coolers that there paint sets on before every game they play. we intentionaly cool there paint to make it more fragile. now in saying this the difference in good fragile paint and some of the crap people are trying to shoot are two different things. poor quality paint cannot be over come in any way its still crappy paint. good fragile paint like evil will shoot like ropes in the a1. its cold now we will fight the cold weather blues until april in most areas. DONT BUY AND SUPPORT CRAPPY PAINT. good quality fragile paint is where its at. actualy i would be looking into shooting winter fill by now. we do nothing to rages and joys guns that we have not told you here. the gun will shoot the most fragile good quality paint there is and it has been made intentionaly even more fragile and works perfect. please save your selfs alot of heart aches and shoot a little less paint but buy better paint. i tell you this as we are getting calls about breaking paint,pulse loaders and barrel breaks. we know more about this gun than almost anyone and we know what we are talking about. please believe in what we tell you as it is fact.crap paint is just that crap. you cant fix that.

[KEN CRANE]

uuuhhh....unless they break that down technically i'm gonna say it's just a bunch of hype to make a selling point.

To me it's not easier on paint than any other gun since you could adjust settings on your other angel to make it shoot more fragile paint.

the a1 uses internal volume chambers that helps to add double the volume of previous models that allows a faster recharge rate in the lpr at a lower operating pressure. the bolt speed has increased by making the hammer and bolt lighter. as well lowering the center of gravity in the body. think this out. with the current ms dwell setting we are pushing with the a1, it is half that of previous models.this in combo with the new style exhaust valve , new valve body with 20% more flow and the matched port on the bolt its all just science.

[RangerJoe]

its all genius!!! (sp?)

[RickA4]

And the have the balls to say that Angels suck! man i can't wait to get my A1. You guys know your Shi#!! that's the type of company I want to support!!

[RangerJoe]

your getting an a1? i wish i had money for one :sure:

[RickA4]

yeah man, my G7, waititng for the hAIR trigger for the minimag to come, if it ever comes. And the A1. thinking of a color scheme. maybe black with blue parts, polished. with a SLY or SM kit. when the income tax comes. oh yeah!!

[BoB]

why will this egg shape ball not work?

[RangerJoe]

damn you and your income tax rick lol

[boostmonkey]

the a1 uses internal volume chambers that helps to add double the volume of previous models that allows a faster recharge rate in the lpr at a lower operating pressure. the bolt speed has increased by making the hammer and bolt lighter. as well lowering the center of gravity in the body. think this out. with the current ms dwell setting we are pushing with the a1, it is half that of previous models.this in combo with the new style exhaust valve , new valve body with 20% more flow and the matched port on the bolt its all just science.

OK, good, I'm on it:

I have a large Fly volumizer on my 06 Speed.
Internal volume? Check.

JDS LPR
Faster LPR recharge rate? Check.

4 gram nylon hammer
Lighter bolt/hammer? Check.

Lucky Air Assist Valve
More valve flow? Not sure yet.

I should be well on the way to being able to shoot the most brittle paint in the world, right?

I am not diminishing the A1, I just really like this Speed and these features are all within my grasp.

[RangerJoe]

He Does It Again With His Speed Folks Ahhah:biggthump :bowdown:

[RickA4]

why will this egg shape ball not work?

HUH? I'm lost. oh crystal ball!!!! HA!

Joey, to get income tax means you have to WORK. which sucks! I'm sure I'm not alone on this, but i would love to just stay home, take my son to school, sleep late(7:30 is a dream compared to 5:30) and do what i want to do. but hey I'm not complaning. not me. lol

I'll let you play a couple of games with the A1, when I go to Arena Joey. Promise!!!!

[RangerJoe]

Sweet- you get to use my beastly speed.
Name an up and i have it on my gun lol

[Trigga Nometry]

I am not diminishing the A1, I just really like this Speed and these features are all within my grasp.To be fair, you had to work for it by going from a stock Speed to a fully up'ed Speed that is far from a stock version. There is nothing wrong with that. Most of strive for that, to get the most out of what we have and do the upgrades ourselves. I too am guilty of that. It is just freaking fun. Some just like to buy the full package which in this case is the A1.

Work on lowering that dwell too and you'll be closer too.

[BAKERmancan]

the a1 uses internal volume chambers that helps to add double the volume of previous models that allows a faster recharge rate in the lpr at a lower operating pressure. the bolt speed has increased by making the hammer and bolt lighter. as well lowering the center of gravity in the body. think this out. with the current ms dwell setting we are pushing with the a1, it is half that of previous models.this in combo with the new style exhaust valve , new valve body with 20% more flow and the matched port on the bolt its all just science.


If the bolt speed is increased (traveling faster than before) how is it "kissing" ? i guess is what i'm getting at ? and also especially since the blue rubber in the aone bolt seems to be alot stiffer/harder than in g7/a4 bolts ?

The enlarged volume chambers you speak of and 20% more air flow only explains to me why the gun is a gas-hog compared to other angels and not really how it is easier on more fragile paint.

You explain how the gun can operate at super low pressure and with a real low dwell time...by having big chambers that don't get starved for air. But this you say only keep the LPR from shooting down it does't seem to affect ball breakage at all ?

[BoB]

It is actually quite simple, you are just missing the key elements. Hint: The softface has very little to do with it. As far as air usage that is quite obvious also.

[BAKERmancan]

well instead of saying that i'm missing the key element why don't you just tell me so i know and understand

[Brad7]

He likes to keep you guessing. Haha. Think about it though, larger air volume.

[BoB]

You appear to be happier bashing and the answer is right in front of you.

[Brad7]

I still don't think he gets it Bob.

[BAKERmancan]

im trying to get you to convince me it's not just some bs...which i think it is.

if you really though it wasn't bs too you just tell me instead of bashing me which is kinda inappropriate considering i'm just bashing a stupid gun not a person.

but it doesn't even matter...

[Brad7]

Yeah, it'a all BS. You've been lied to this entire time, NOT!!! The answer is right in front of you, you shouldn't have to have someone prove everything to you. Think and find stuff for yourself, it's more rewarding.

[BAKERmancan]

o...m...f...g...


isn't that the entire reason these forums are here ?....because it's a place for us to look when we need to find answers ?????????????????

oh no wait we should all think for ourselves so just take down the forums cuz nobody needs any help or anything proven...yeah right...

i think you just made no damn sense...and your being a bit savage...

[Brad7]

No, if you read my signature you will rethink that latter part of your statement, haha. Anyways, I agree that is the entire purpose of these forums;however, Bob tried to explain to you what the answer is, but you, were being rather unreasonable and doubting the technology.

[BAKERmancan]

No, i wasn't being unreasonable...I put forth very valid reasonable doubts and questions that did not get answered specifically.

BoB did not try to explain a damn thing to me. I can be convinced like most others but he did NOT explain anything...only a stupid HINT which a regard as an insult.

Then you chime in also adding no useful content... so if you are done trying to make fun of me and don't have any useful info for me you can gtfo off this thread i'm not here to flame I want answers.

I really don't want to think the A1 sucks compared to previous guns but at this point I do and want to learn every damn thing about it before I have it confirmed in my belief, that why I' can't say it sucks just because "it sucks" cuz i will have reasons for why it sucks. I would like to love it but I need to have it shown to me that it's better which has yet to be done.

[Brad7]

I apologize. I am sorry that you think I am trying to insult and make fun of you, but the truth is, I am not.

Did you read Ken's post on page 1? I think he explains it well enough there. If not, "it's just pure science", like he said.

[BoB]

Here is an example of how helpful some of your posts have been.

[BustA]

hahahaa

[BAKERmancan]

thank you for apologizing...

of course i read it...i quoted it on page 2.

and yes ken did kindly try and give me the relavent info but I already knew what he posted except for maybe a lower center of gravity. And all paintguns are science and physics that's nothing new either.

[demiruyar]

I love my angel one it rocks,accurate and all...However I still didnt manage to use the advantages of shooting even the hardest paint in our field(midnight) on slightly cold day:( I am getting Barrelbreaks,chops...
My exhaoust pressure is 270 and the lpr is 60.I try to run my dwell@8,9,10,11
and i run the software 2.1(thanks to backman)I tried to use all the paint type settings fragile 1,2,3.....I have the red detents.I tried to use the vlocty on the setting 1 in order not to put pressure on the ball stack.What might be the problem?Am I doing something wrong?

[BoB]

MROF, loader and/or the quality of the paint. Midnight is not the best quality paint to begin with.

[demiruyar]

my mrof is capped at 15. I use vlocity on setting 1.
I tried probox,blaze,inferno and had no luck with it so I tried the midnight becouse of its very thick shell.I thought that I had a problem with my stock barrel so I tried my sly kit and did not work either.

[BoB]

Brittle paint will break in your barrel, the trick is the amount of good brittle paint that doesn't break and allow you to shoot people without bounces.

[BoB]

then your gun has a bad component and it should be repaired

[demiruyar]

Can I replace this part by my self?And what could be the bad component?

[BoB]

Sure, identify the component(s) and you will be all set. The is issue can either be pneumatic and/or electronic. The trick is to narrow it down and then proceed from there. Unless it is very obvious, I recommend sending it in and getting it fixed right.