A1 Efficiency.

[Talfuchre]

I know this has been kicked around but I would love a thread dedicated to your findings on efficiency.

So - post up ONLY:

Your settings on your marker such as dwell and what not.

Your bottle size for your findings including how much of a fill you were getting.

Total shots per bottle.

Please do not guess, nor post what you have heard. We know efficiency has been an issue that has been talked about - lets post the straight dope.

If this thread is good enough - perhaps it will get stickied.

TF

[OMRomero]

I am also very interested in knowing some information regarding the efficiency this marker is capeable of. At this point it is the only factor stopping me from purchasing the marker.

[Yezka0]

I have had this efficiency problem with my A1 since I got it.off a 68/4500 and a fill of 4000 i get a hopper and 6 pods max. With tweaked settings. lpr :61 input:? dwell:5.0 (get the best efficiency here but balls kinda drop off compared to when dwell is at 6.0to7.0)at first i thoght it was just angel and i was pist cause it reminded me of a stock shocker.But when my friend bought his i noticed something different. off a 2000 fill he shot a hopper and 4 pods and still had a 1000 left so now i'm convinced that it's my gun. it's leaking somewhere or the valve is bad.

[BAKERmancan]

off a 2000 fill he shot a hopper and 4 pods and still had a 1000 left so now i'm convinced that it's my gun. it's leaking somewhere or the valve is bad.


doubt you can get 4 pods + 1 hopper which = approx. 700 paintballs with 1000 psi which is what I gather from your post. Thats telling me you can possibly get about 2800 paintballs from 4000 psi and for sure from a full 4500 fill which is almst a case and a half... highly doubtful.

getting a hopper + 6 pods is all I have been able to achieve or actually see anyone achieve with good chrono and no shootdown and no bs.

[haroldenzo]

I just played yesterday with my A1. With 4000 Psi, shot 800 rounds and had 2000 Psi left over. I've noticed the efficiency getting better the more I use it. I haven't even used to pressure guages to lower internal pressure yet. Gonna do that soon.

[KEN CRANE]

ill wait until we see what you all have to say. then we will comment

[Mcgver]

Ok just tested mine so I could post this up for you guys.

I am running the Joy/ Rage Boston settings except the following
Running ABS at .50 m/secs (Due to FSDO)
Unknown Mini reg settings (no Gauge)
FPS is at 289, 290, 297, 288

Now that that is said I have a PE 48/3000 fill steel tank with a 2500 fill that I used for testing. I also did a factory Reset so My counter would read the true shot count.

Now I fired off 5 / 140 ball pods or 693 rounds to be exact, and have approx 400 PSI left in my tank. Now once I got below 1000 PSI I would get drop off if I rip on it, but not if I just one or two shot it. Also could prob. get better results with a better paint to barrel match as the paint I was using was like
.689 as it was just barely too small for my .691 barrel.

I will let you know my second run results after this weekend when I have a better paint to barrel match and a LP tank.

[OMRomero]

Excellect please do.

[paco2838]

my efficentcy is crap too, 3 pods and 1 hopper max

also ken when should i call you i just got back from NH sorry i didnt call you before

[catapultkid]

ive been told that it has alot to do with your input tank pressure, which i dont fully understand. but if your tank is set at 450 output, and your using a good tank then the efficency will be at maximum.

do the regs vent if over pressurized by the tank for the split second that the tank is trying to keep up with the gun? i mean a gun uses X amount of air to fire the ball, but i dont understand why its so wacky. only other factor is that the lpr is really really high, but i dont think thats the problem.

comments

[KEN CRANE]

I have had this efficiency problem with my A1 since I got it.off a 68/4500 and a fill of 4000 i get a hopper and 6 pods max. With tweaked settings. lpr :61 input:? dwell:5.0 (get the best efficiency here but balls kinda drop off compared to when dwell is at 6.0to7.0)at first i thoght it was just angel and i was pist cause it reminded me of a stock shocker.But when my friend bought his i noticed something different. off a 2000 fill he shot a hopper and 4 pods and still had a 1000 left so now i'm convinced that it's my gun. it's leaking somewhere or the valve is bad.


the solinoid will not cycle properly at 5 you need to move this to at least 6.5
you should be getting 7 pods plus your loader. forget the first 1000 or 2000. the important thing is how many did you get before you are at aprox. 500 in your tank.also a 4000k fill is not a full fill.

[KEN CRANE]

my efficentcy is crap too, 3 pods and 1 hopper max

also ken when should i call you i just got back from NH sorry i didnt call you before


give me a buzz after school tommorow i need some info off your gun . we can go over this issue also tommorow

[BAKERmancan]

I have this kid that comes into our store alot with his black A1 that we sold him when they first came out; it was the very first one we sold.

Ever since a week after he bought it he reports very poor air efficiency. 4-5 pods + 1 hopper MAX from 68 cu tank containing a hair OVER 4000 psi. WE messed with settings and this and that and finally we contacted WDP after being unable to find any kind of solution.

This is what we were told by Owen from WDP. This is not quoted word for word...

The first 150 angel one's made had a software issue which causes this problem. The error supposedly is that the board has settings from the G7 programmed into it which messes up timings and dwell and stuff. I did not gather the technical information or the details of how the settings messed up the A1's functions exactly, but for sure he said it was a software issue. He also did say that if this problem is affecting your gun and you input the JOY settings it will make the problem WORSE. (I believe that dwell timings and other settings displayed on the OLED were not accurate on these guns.)

He said that to fix this problem get the USB cord that connects to the board , hook it to your computer and flash to the latest software (1.8 at this time) directly from wdp.tv and it will reprogram the board correctly. Then proceed to enter joy settings or whatever, and the settings that are displayed on the OLED should be accurate.

We have yet to see if this will fix his gun but we will do it very soon and let you all know if it worked.

[KEN CRANE]

I have this kid that comes into our store alot with his black A1 that we sold him when they first came out; it was the very first one we sold.

Ever since a week after he bought it he reports very poor air efficiency. 4-5 pods + 1 hopper MAX from 68 cu tank containing a hair OVER 4000 psi. WE messed with settings and this and that and finally we contacted WDP after being unable to find any kind of solution.

This is what we were told by Owen from WDP. This is not quoted word for word...

The first 150 angel one's made had a software issue which causes this problem. The error supposedly is that the board has settings from the G7 programmed into it which messes up timings and dwell and stuff. I did not gather the technical information or the details of how the settings messed up the A1's functions exactly, but for sure he said it was a software issue. (I believe that dwell timings and other settings displayed on the OLED were not accurately on these guns.)

He said that to fix this problem get the USB cord that connects to the board , hook it to your computer and flash to the latest software (1.8 at this time) directly from wdp.tv and it will reprogram the board correctly. Then proceed to enter joy settings or whatever, and the settings that are displayed on the OLED should be accurate.

this does not effect efficiancy and never has. this was only to correct a ball detection issue.everyone here discussing this should be on atleast 1.7 anyway

[BAKERmancan]

I agree Ken. At first I thought it might be software related once I learned what Owen had to say but people are reporting the same problem with guns that are not in the first 150 guns that Owen said were afflicted.

Some people are reporting the efficiency problem with the guns being shipped with 1.8 already in them.

So yeah that kinda rules that out I guess...

[OMRomero]

So correctly tuned and updated people are seeing 1400 off the Angel 1 from a 68/45?

[Yezka0]

the solinoid will not cycle properly at 5 you need to move this to at least 6.5
you should be getting 7 pods plus your loader. forget the first 1000 or 2000. the important thing is how many did you get before you are at aprox. 500 in your tank.also a 4000k fill is not a full fill.

Ok. I will increase the dwell to 6.5. I looked in the manual and in the manual states 4 reasons for bad air efficiency,
1.Dwell
2.lpr
3.exhaust valve
4.barrel bore.
1 and 2 are fine.(rage settings)I bought a new exhaust valve and barrel(smaller bore). I will report findings this weekend.ken i know 4000 isn't a full fill.Sc and hollywood sports parks compressors suck b***s, that's why it's important for me to have an extremely efficient marker. As my old g7 was.

[Pericles]

Yeah off a 4000 68 4500 i only get 3 pods and a hopper i have the guages and have all rage settings with the correct pressures.

[Mr. Tapes]

I run a 45/45.

I've been getting 3-4 pods and a hopper off a full 45 fill. I'm sort of disappointed with this since my DM5 gets 6-7 pods off the same tank and fill. Basically, what it comes down to is this: When I walk on the field with my Angel I assume that I am looking at expending 1000 psi per pod shot, with my DM5 I'm looking at 500-600 psi per pod. I don't mean to compare products here but this gap in efficiency keeps the Angel in the staging area some games when otherwise I would really rather use it.

I'm running 1.7. Dwell is 6.5, LPR is around 60, and my velocity is running between 280-285 with the input around 300ish maybe a little higher. The gun is very consistant, and aside from this efficiency issue, I am very happy with it. I understand that I can just slap a bigger tank on it and be fine...but I'm really very attached to my 45's.

[catapultkid]

can anyone explain the reasoning behind this, not to meantion that one guy is getting 8 pods and a hopper and another guy with the same settings is getting 4 pods and a hopper?

[coroneu2]

do you have a preset that gives consistent 450 psis of output pressure?
Bob and ken are always saying this...

[Yezka0]

yes my tanks are exactly at 450.Asside from the efficiency issue the angel one feels really good.I'm just disapointed. But I know in time there is going to be a new product that's going to help in the efficiency department.This is the only reason why I have kept it(A1) and haven't sold it.

[KEN CRANE]

can anyone explain the reasoning behind this, not to meantion that one guy is getting 8 pods and a hopper and another guy with the same settings is getting 4 pods and a hopper?


yes and its fact as rage went thru it.

ok not all air system regs are created equaly or are working as designed.just becuse the reg is set at 450 does not mean its going to work right. if your regulator is not recharging as it was designed or should it will greatly effect the overall air usage. make sure the gun is well oiled,the exauxt stem seal is not worn and your tank is a 4500 fill and drops no lower than 4000 k after cooling .the gun is designed to get aprox 7 pods and a loader.
i have a very technical vesion of what i just said but it took me 3 trys at looking up all the reasons in the technical dictionary.

[younggunna69]

my friend get like 5-6 pods and a hopper from his A1, stock settings, and a 68/45. It is nothing compared to the a little over a case that i get with my viking, but whatever suits him. I must say though, i do love his A1 and i see some sort of angel in my future.

[paco2838]

over a case! what....i dont belive that /doggy

and will do ken

[catapultkid]

ive never heard that a gun effeciency is directly due to the tank you use, like i dare say a timmy gets about the same number of shots with a HP or LP tank. i just dont understand why the guns efficency is due to the tank, thats why you have LPRs and HPRs on the gun i thought

[OMRomero]

over a case! what....i dont belive that /doggy

and will do ken

Then you have never shot a viking or a cyborg because they both get a case or more on a fill.

[paco2838]

no i havent, but i ment by i dont belive that like the expression...like WOW! I DONT BELIVE THAT! kinda deal

[OMRomero]

O sorry I know what you mean. I found it hard to believe at first also.

[ocballer]

I just got a 45/45 dye HP throttle tank, I will try it this weekend and am hoping to get a hopper and for pods. hope it works! if not I have my DM6 which may get it done.