The Angel One Reviewed

[Furby]

The last word...because I wrote 1400 words about it!

http://www.68caliber.com/features/reviews/story041931.php

[BustA]

very good review

[Devs]

Very nice, although I thought the comments about previous Angel Lob and Accuracy were sort of weak. But good over all.

[Trigga Nometry]

Very nice, although I thought the comments about previous Angel Lob and Accuracy were sort of weak. But good over all.Agreed.

But wait a sec, I thought the A1 did not come with the self cleaning eyes/bolt mod to do so?

[Devs]

Agreed.

But wait a sec, I thought the A1 did not come with the self cleaning eyes/bolt mod to do so?

Agreed.

Look at picture 26/31 on www.wdp.tv and you'll see no such blast holes. I don't see the holes that you're talking about, and nor have I ever heard about such a feature.

*EDIT*
When I said "heard about such feature." I was talking specifically about the A1. I know the MTs were working on it as a mod for stock bolts of older guns, and I know that the DM6 has a somewhat similar method for cleaning the eyes.

[MVpaintball]

I heard about it for older models, but not the A1. And I especially havent heard that the A1 was designed with this bolt mod in mind.
Because of that, I might think this was a "special for furby" gun, but he said it was @ 365FPS out of the box, so it obviously wasn't pre-tuned.

And I thought the g7 platform was supposed to have "cured" the angel lob, making it have a matrix like trajectory

EDIT-mabye you mis-read me, I put "cured" in quotation marks cause there was nothing to cure in the first place, as I share your view/logic. I was just stating the hype of the new gun then, and it hasnt changed much now. Though I dont believe WDP was making those claims, just users...

[boostmonkey]

Paintballs have the trajectory of a round object flying through the air. With the exception of imparting spins like the Flatline or Apex barrels, there is nothing a paintball gun can do to affect the trajectory of the ball after it has left the barrel.

[Luigi Speed 05]

I liked the review, but my Speed 05 is powered by a regular 9v battery, so the claim that this is the first is kinda weird.... and I thought Antonio wasn't allowed to shoot any Angels whatsoever... what's up with that?

[Devs]

Paintballs have the trajectory of a round liquid filled object flying through the air. With the exception of imparting spins like the Flatline or Apex barrels, there is nothing a paintball gun can do to affect the trajectory of the ball after it has left the barrel.

Fixed for ya Boost.:niener:

Aparently the Alien bolt imparts spin by the way the air hits the ball.

But thats not todays discussion. Of all the Angels I have owned I have never had a problem with "lob" as long as I was at the right velocity. They have all done well to launch the ball towards some nuggets head.



I liked the review, but my Speed 05 is powered by a regular 9v battery, so the claim that this is the first is kinda weird...


You're right, the 05 speed was the first to come stock with a 9V powered board. But Furby is right in saying that its the first flagship angel from WDP to come stock with a 9v powered board.

[boostmonkey]

I got ya Devs. :)

I should add: I liked the review. Despite the teething problems and some highly critiqued (http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?p=534105#post534105)design changes, WDP has another great marker with the A1. I will continue to tell people Angels are the best paintball guns on the planet.

[Furby]

Okay, just to answer the questions:

1. My gun was shipped over from England to ensure that I had the latest everything on the review marker, which included the self-cleaning eyes/bolt. I don't believe that it was prepped in any way, since I was on the phone with Frazer when he picked it out of the stack o' guns in Birmingham. Amongst other things, WDP doesn't need to 'prep' a gun for media pukes, especially me (because I'd know and make sure to mention it in the article, since I've been stung by a 'prepped gun in the past), and Frazer doesn't know my trigger preferences and the like. Ken Crane does, but he was in CT at the time.

2. Luigi, I felt sorry for Antonio and let him use the A1 during the CFP tournament when I was sitting a game. And yes, he actually said "Frickin' Railgun".

3. Both my G7 and '06 Speed were accurate guns...for an Angel. The A1 takes the accuracy level into the Shocker/PM/DM range and keeps the Angel speed, reliability and ease of living with.

4. "Angel Lob" are criticisms that I've heard for years from spool valve users to justify their tolerance for dumping gobs of grease into their guns and replacing o-rings constantly. With the A1, they can't hold that over my head anymore, because my A1 is a ball-on-ball tack-driving killing machine. With my modded LCD, it was like a shotgun pattern when I destroyed someone...with the G7/'06 Speed, it was small circle of pain on the opposition...with the A1 it's a nasty bleeder because 3-4 balls hit the exact same spot at 15+ bps.

5. And as Devs mentioned, the A1 is the first flagship to run on 9 volts.

Keep the feedback coming...it helps!

[Devs]

3. Both my G7 and '06 Speed were accurate guns...for an Angel. The A1 takes the accuracy level into the Shocker/PM/DM range and keeps the Angel speed, reliability and ease of living with.

Yay for feedback. This really is still the only thing I'm having a problem with I guess. I'll accept the rest of what you said, but I have never experienced bad accuracy with my angels. I've had ever gen except the LED and the A1. I've also owned 2 shockers and a DM3 and DM4. So in regards to the spool valve accuracy thing I have direct experience that neither is more accurate. At least not in my personal experience. In all reality I have to say that my 2k1 LCD is still probably the most accurate gun i've owned.

I don't want this to sound trite, but i feel obligated to mention paint/bore match. With a good match, I've been able to put ball on ball with my two 05 speeds and my 06 speed no problem. My completely Evolved A4Fly was just as good, if not better. Shot nicer too, but thats besides the point. I have been a firm believer that the gun doesn't matter in reality. Closed vs open... Poppet vs Spool... I've owned just about every type of gun on the market and have honestly found that the deciding factors are paint quality and bore match.

Just my $15.02

[Trigga Nometry]

I have a problem with the accuracy statement too because accuracy can only be measured via actual data. Accuracy is not subjective. I have no problem stating that you felt the A1 was more accurate, just premise it that as a subjective thought and that'll cover ya.

I too have shot crap paint where the paintball diameter is all over the place and that equates to shots here, shots there or just bad accuracy AND precision. Get some good paint under near perfect conditions and BAM, accuracy and precision go way up.

Hell, even with my Flatlined A-5 using good, consistent paint and double regulated LP comp air, I got more than happy results with accuracy.

All around a great review because not everyone (probably most people) that play paintball are interested in raw data and how one comes to conclusions.

Oh , one more thing - could you included in your review as to if the new eye cleaning system will be out on all A1's from now on? Anyway to confirm that?

[Luigi Speed 05]

Ah, true, I missed the flagship mention... bought myself a red A1 thou!! Can't wait to get it, should be here next few days! Hopefully next time we meet I'm gonna have it... you using only the stock barrel?

[tgallo]

Oh , one more thing - could you included in your review as to if the new eye cleaning system will be out on all A1's from now on? Anyway to confirm that?

Indeed...if someone could confirm this it would be great.

[Furby]

1. Luigi: Yeah, I only used the stock barrel...it's amazing.
2. The self-cleaning eyes will in fact be on all following Angel Ones. Direct from Frazer when he called me.

[warpedx]

"The Fecalator" ??
Dam dale, that's just wrong. But I love it!

[KEN CRANE]

Indeed...if someone could confirm this it would be great.


self cleaning eye system in in all current production guns.

[KEN CRANE]

Paintballs have the trajectory of a round object flying through the air. With the exception of imparting spins like the Flatline or Apex barrels, there is nothing a paintball gun can do to affect the trajectory of the ball after it has left the barrel.




but....what has changed and has made a huge impact on thetrajectory is the fast recharge rate on the new lpr and the direct porting to the solonoid valve. this has almost eliminated the lob or drop off under rapid firing people used to complain about. this allows for a flat shot after shot trajectory. i hope i covered my ... on that one.

[boostmonkey]

but....what has changed and has made a huge impact on thetrajectory is the fast recharge rate on the new lpr and the direct porting to the solonoid valve. this has almost eliminated the lob or drop off under rapid firing people used to complain about. this allows for a flat shot after shot trajectory. i hope i covered my ... on that one.

Sweet :biggthump

[Luigi Speed 05]

1. Luigi: Yeah, I only used the stock barrel...it's amazing.
2. The self-cleaning eyes will in fact be on all following Angel Ones. Direct from Frazer when he called me.

This is awesome, but the wait for mine's killing me...

[tgallo]

self cleaning eye system in in all current production guns.

Is this just a different bolt? If so, will it be available seperately for those who have earlier A1 models?

[Luigi Speed 05]

1. Luigi: Yeah, I only used the stock barrel...it's amazing.
2. The self-cleaning eyes will in fact be on all following Angel Ones. Direct from Frazer when he called me.

Self cleaning eyes an all Ones, following what serial number?? How do I know if mine's already got it? I mean, last week a had quite a few breaks during play, but they seem to have had little effect on the gun's behavior...

[BoB]

pull out the bolt and if it has the air ports in the side of the bolt you have the bolt.

[dilligaf]

Is this just a different bolt? If so, will it be available seperately for those who have earlier A1 models?

I would like to know the answer to this as well. It's a great feature imo and would be happy if there was a way to send the old bolt back for a updated replacement. Will this be possible?

[BoB]

Yes, you will be able to purchase the bolt

[BustA]

lol, so we have to buy it? we dont get it for free? is there a price yet and when will it be available to purchase?

[LowLude00]

will there be a way to get a self cleanin bolt for the g7s?

[g5xr1]

hmm, kinda shoddy about the bolt deal.. fortunately I was told that my a1 was already equiped with it,, but after hearing exactly what "it" was, I found that I didnt really have the mod,, looks like someones gettin a beatdown frozen paintball style!!

[Luigi Speed 05]

hmm, kinda shoddy about the bolt deal.. fortunately I was told that my a1 was already equiped with it,, but after hearing exactly what "it" was, I found that I didnt really have the mod,, looks like someones gettin a beatdown frozen paintball style!!

That's not very nice of WDP IMO, this whole bolt deal... I like WDP's products but I have to say that I kinda feel like I'm paying them to test out their new marker (by being an early adopter) and when they figure out the final configuration of the gun, I still have to pay even more to get the finished product... I still love my Angels but I feel this is a tad disrespectful to their most loyal customers...

[BoB]

I would recommend contacting the company from which the marker was purchased, they may have an exchange program.

[wolfram075]

ha ha ha ken wont say $ss here but will say $hi* here ... http://angelowners.com/showthread.php?t=60691 too funny...LOL