The angel 1

[DEATHx2]

hello im new to the forums and i just need to ask a question or two

i just got a bit of money and need a new marker and was wondering is the angel 1 worth getting?

ive looked places but havent found this out exactly how fast is it, all i hear is about how small it is I cant find any of the bps.

and is there a website where i can see all the colours?

Thanks for your time

[JAMES-G22]

If you have a bit of money, try getting a G7. why? its cheaper and you will have notisable results compared to the A1. I paid $1,300. 00 for this gloryfied Ion. I start my day playing with my A-1 and finishing it with my G7.
Im looking for a 3rd gun to use it as a secondary gun. If you understand what im trying to say.

:angry:

[GMG Force Fly]

The Angel 1 will be worth it once all the problems are worked out, which most have been already. The tech support you get from WDP and the MTs is second to none.

[DEATHx2]

yea but i got 2000$....i really really like the board in the 1 it looks really cool

[JAMES-G22]

With $2K i can get a G7 fly (new), Fender Strat aniversary edition, Roland amp. and left me with some change for air, paint and cold beer.
you can notice that im not very happy with my A1.


:angry:

[DEATHx2]

haha

[DEATHx2]

what is ammater with it?

[JAMES-G22]

Let me give you a .small example, in 2 years i had a speed 05,a G7 and A1. the first 2 after a quick break in and small settings they work great, guess wich one is still in the box because im wating to recive by mail a set of eye covers. My point is: it's not fair to pay a huge amount of money on someting that still need's modifications after it's release. If this was a car, a bike or a stroller they were massive recalls cause of bad quality control.

[DEATHx2]

oh well i still got a month too choose so maybe by then they will have all the kinks worked out

[JAMES-G22]

Good thinking... because of the great experience on my first 2 Angels i bougth the A1 with my eyes closed. Next time i will not do that.

[DEATHx2]

haha yea i think ill wait.... dont be biased or anything but how do you feel on the 06 cyborg? i like it ...but it doesent have all the bells and whistles as the a1

[JAMES-G22]

im not to familiar with Mcdev, but i tried th 05 and i was impresed, the 06, i heard that it was faster.

[DEATHx2]

on full auto...or on any mode do you think the a1 is capable of firing anywhere near 30 bps? because my hopper feeds 35....halob with victory

[NorwegianPlaya]

on full auto...or on any mode do you think the a1 is capable of firing anywhere near 30 bps? because my hopper feeds 35....halob with victory

A victory-board cant feed 35bps, that is bull§§§§. You will never get any more than 20bps consistantly, but you might get a three shot burst up to 30bps, what you need is consistancy, and the hopper is allways the slowest. The A1 would outshoot any big brand hopper.

The G7/"G7 fly" is a great gun too, no doubt. And it too would outshoot a Halo. Victory or not.

I would go for a Velocity or a Reloader B with an A1. Cause you wouldnt need any upgrades for the A1, and those hoppers are the fastest on the marked.

[tgallo]

what is ammater with it?

ammater?

:devil1:

[DEATHx2]

lol I spell for §§§§

[DANTHEMAN]

the a1 rips, i have an a4 here too and the a1 is lighter and faster. the difference in the boards between this and ther older angels is worth it alone.
the a1 also has alot less kick, well, no kick.
i like the a4 though and am considering a g7 if i had the money. but as i have an a1 it seems a bit silly.
ive had eye problems, so i got new eyes sent by the next day! the board needs upgrading over the computer but its easy as hell and good practice for when you need to put more software on it.
id rather have an a1 board screen or just flashing lights to be honest, no in between. the a4 fly screen is too confusing.
the only other problem is 1 ball dtent snapped and they dont give spares. but frasier has sent some to lips(london international paintball) for me.
if your impatient enough to buy a product in the first 3 weeks its out, then expect to to find replacement parts that quickly. altough they should have given ball detents in the spares like the pm6s.

the problems have been-
1. flexy eye covers- they sent out new covers asap.
2. double ball shooting-software needed upgrading for the eyes.
3. gun going into safe during play-they did another software upgrade with a turn off delay.
look, the board,speed, weight,kicklessness!?! and board lol are worth the liitle trouble the markers had.
really, the board rocks. its like a nokia mobile phone menu, but probalbly easier.
and it can shoot 31bps , not just cycle that fast. bob aa FMA said that it has shot that fast using the special loading machine they use to test markers.

i know its diheartening to have the markewr you wanna love so much screw up in the first 5 minutes but none of the problems are major, just re program the board via usb and ask them to send you some new eye covers wit hthe marker.

[DEATHx2]

yea im just going to wait a month

[fixit]

I did the 1.7 download and cant believe the differance it has made

[HenryG]

haha yea i think ill wait.... dont be biased or anything but how do you feel on the 06 cyborg? i like it ...but it doesent have all the bells and whistles as the a1
Under no circumstance should you ever buy a borg!!! besides being ugly. The customer support from them is NIL you would be better off purchasing a pet rock at some extortionate price. My G7 fly rocks but will be getting a1 when they finally make it into the country

[TomPB]

I can't figure out a single way to get my A1 shooting up to 28 BPS.
All the modes except for custom semi are capped at 15 BPS and my custom semi plus ramping does seem to be working. My freakin' Tippmann A5 with a WAS board shoots faster!
Is WAS made an A1 board I'd buy it in a second and be really pissed that WDP's so called board you never have to upgrade needs upgrading big time!

[tgallo]

be really pissed that WDP's so called board you never have to upgrade needs upgrading big time!

they never said it never needed to be upgraded....otherwise why have the functionality to do it

[TomPB]

they never said it never needed to be upgraded....otherwise why have the functionality to do it

There's a difference between upgrading and downloading software to fix little bugs that the company didn't get right in pre-production.
The board is deeeeffffiiiiinnnnaaattttellllyyy not as customizable as they say.

[akpaintballer13]

Tom, all I have seen you do is be disappointed with your angel 1. My advise either send it to a mt and get is set up right. Or get rid of it and find a new gun that works for you. If you don't want to do either of these stop complaining. All 1st gen guns have problems, you know what you signed up for now you have to deal with it. Personally with 1.7 software and the joy settings my gun rips. I haven't even replaced the eye covers. Call Ken or send your gun to him, you won't regret it.
Matthew

[TomPB]

Tom, all I have seen you do is be disappointed with your angel 1. My advise either send it to a mt and get is set up right. Or get rid of it and find a new gun that works for you. If you don't want to do either of these stop complaining. All 1st gen guns have problems, you know what you signed up for now you have to deal with it. Personally with 1.7 software and the joy settings my gun rips. I haven't even replaced the eye covers. Call Ken or send your gun to him, you won't regret it.
Matthew

*edit* I just picked my A1 up from an MT for WDP yesterday and it still isn't working. And I have no idea what the you're talking about that I should "know" what I'm getting into buying a new marker. When I walk into a paintball store and they say this is a new marker, it's awesome, and it's the faster shooting out there (30+ bps), that and I read the specs on WDP's website - I would expect it to perform as it's advertised.
I'm a firearm owner and a technical diver - poor manufacturering of equipment gets people killed in both of these fields and it's not tolerated. I expect stuff to work! period - especially at $1200.

[JeffW]

Wow!

[ac68886]

I can't figure out a single way to get my A1 shooting up to 28 BPS. ...

What hopper are you using? In order to get the gun to shoot 28 bps, you need to feed it 28 bps. Also, AFAIK the only mode that can get there would be either Semi, NPPL, or Custom Semi w/ramp. Semi and NPPL would need to have the debounce turned WAY down 'cause I don't know of anyone who can actually pull a trigger that fast. Try putting the gun into demo and shooting it with just air to see how fast it can really go.

... really pissed that WDP's so called board you never have to upgrade needs upgrading big time!

I believe that the reference to not having to upgrade the borad wasn't talking about not having to reflash to new software, but in regards to not having to replace the board. I.e. rather than replacing the board to get new features, you can simply download new software, and reflash the board at home; you don't even need to send it somewhere or replace a chip like in most other boards.

I would expect it to perform as it's advertised.
I'm a firearm owner and a technical diver - poor manufacturering of equipment gets people killed in both of these fields and it's not tolerated. I expect stuff to work! period - especially at $1200.

You're absolutely right... However... You probably pre-ordered, and you got one from the first batch. In the case of a paintball marker, the testing isn't as rigorous as the other fields you mentioned precisely because you're not going to be killed by a marker that doesn't have software that's 100%. Is it bad that WDP released a marker with software that's a little buggy? Sure. Have you ever looked at the bug lists for software that costs tens of thousands of dollars? The bugs that have been worked out of the Series One software are miniscule in comparison. Trust me, I used to do software development. As for the eye covers, that probably wasn't WDP's fault. You don't really think that the guys at WDP do all of the actual manufacturing of the marker itself, do you?

Lastly, I certainly understand that it's disappointing that the $1200 marker you bought isn't mowing fools left and right. But give it some time and TLC; I have yet to run into any high-end marker that doesn't need some kind of setup out of the box, they're all finicky and need to be tuned at least a little bit, LPRs being the biggest thing. I got mine and spent about an hour tuning the trigger (all personal preference here) and LPR (had to take out 14 shims, what's the deal with that? never understood why they put so many shims in from the factory...) before it even saw the field for the first time today, and it was ripping in semi as fast as I could pull the trigger. Did I hit 25bps? Nope, but I'm one of those people who don't like ramping. Did it shoot as fast as the hopper could feed? Sure. Did it shoot as fast as the other guys at the field with Shockers and what not? Yup.

Hmm... yeah... *steps off soapbox*

Oh yeah, if you aren't ready to give up yet, please let the guys here help you out. Most are really a bunch of good guys, and don't bite their heads off for trying to help.

[bassdude_921]

With $2K i can get a G7 fly (new), Fender Strat aniversary edition, Roland amp. and left me with some change for air, paint and cold beer.
you can notice that im not very happy with my A1.


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I TOTALY AGREE WITH U!!!! but i would get a gibson thunderbird... GOTTA LUV THE BASS!!:cheers:

[JAMES-G22]

I TOTALY AGREE WITH U!!!! but i would get a gibson thunderbird... GOTTA LUV THE BASS!!:cheers:


Dont forget the beer:cheers::drink:

[Stiaphas]

I own a G7 Fly and I am totaly happy with it so I was wondering if anyone could take a pic of a A1 and a G7 side by side so I can get a better idea of its size difference?

[LI_Angel1]

If you are buying the gun at this time you will be fine, get the A1, you will have some tweeking to do, but in the end you will be one happy snapper head!!

[p8ntskillz]

dont let wat that guy said bout the a1 get to u he prob got one of the first ones i jus got mine 2 day # 319 and it rips like no otha im coming from a shocker a i can notice a big diff i lay out str8 ropes, right out the box it ripped i didnt have to do ne thing to it i also got it from fixmyangel bob set it up for me but it rips its deff worth it all the probs that the first batch had r fixed but buy it from a MT like bob or ken then u can buy with confidence that your getting a good one

[Big_John]

Under no circumstance should you ever buy a borg!!! besides being ugly. The customer support from them is NIL you would be better off purchasing a pet rock at some extortionate price. My G7 fly rocks but will be getting a1 when they finally make it into the country

Have you even ever owned a 'Borg? Speaking from personal experience, Paintball Kingdom (the U.S. distributor) has been nothing but helpful with my '06 Cyborg. It had a board problem straight from the factory, I sent it to them and got it back 2 days later ripping ropes. They even included a free set of Kila Detents.

They absolutely rip, and I think they're hawt. Don't hate on a gun you've probably never even shot.

I'm also picking up an Angel 1 soon because they look pretty sick as well, although I think the whole deal with the board is rather gimmicky.

[tcplaya2004]

*edit* I just picked my A1 up from an MT for WDP yesterday and it still isn't working. And I have no idea what the you're talking about that I should "know" what I'm getting into buying a new marker. When I walk into a paintball store and they say this is a new marker, it's awesome, and it's the faster shooting out there (30+ bps), that and I read the specs on WDP's website - I would expect it to perform as it's advertised.
I'm a firearm owner and a technical diver - poor manufacturering of equipment gets people killed in both of these fields and it's not tolerated. I expect stuff to work! period - especially at $1200.

VERY WELL said, couldn't agree with you more. Its WDP responsibility to make sure that everything is working perfectly before they start shipping out. It would make more sense for them to make us a couple more months and get a perfectly working gun out of the box then to be calling ken and getting winzip usb upgrades and new eye covers for our $1200 guns.

[LI_Angel1]

Come on guys, take it easy..the gun is fine now, and as far as doing future upgrades, that's cool man, they will keep upgrading the software and all you gotta do is download it...this is a good thing not a bad thing...

[DEATHx2]

well the time has come has the A1 improved sence this thread started?

so do i get the A1? or the cyborg?

[xxmjumpman23xx]

The A1, the new software updates have fixed all the initial problems

[LI_Angel1]

Dude, I have #389, My §§§§ is awesome, it came with 1.7 software, I flashed it with 1.8, They added an automatic shutoff after an hour, nothing else changed, all glitches are gone...

WE HAVE LIFT OFF!!! lol

Screw the cyborg, go with th A1 brother...