Mrof

[jpasint]

I know this is ultra geeky like but…..
The attachment is a scope view of the voltage to the solenoid. The amount of voltage is not what I was trying to record but rather the frequency. Each section in the grid vertically is 200ms of time. If you add up the voltage spikes in 5 of the 200ms grids, you come up with about 12 or 13 spikes. That’s the rate of fire. I lowered the MROF with eyes off to 10 and sure enough I counted 10-11 spikes meaning that the rate of fire was in fact limited to the 10 that I had set it to. This was done in full auto.
So the question is, if I have the MROF set to 30 with the eyes off, why is the Angel only firing at 12-13 per second? We have not touched any of the default settings in the Angel. Can any of the MTs chime in?
I really expected to see 30 spikes per second!
I'm guessing that out of the box the Angel is set to do this.

The "Total:12s" at the bottom of the reading is just the total record time and has nothing to do with the grid or timing on the screen shot.

Thanks.

Joe

[Trigga Nometry]

It says in the manual that the default MROF with the eyes OFF is set to 15bps MROF unless you change it to something different.

[jpasint]

It says in the manual that the default MROF with the eyes OFF is set to 15bps MROF unless you change it to something different.


I stated we did not touch any of the default settings but we did change the MROF setting for the eyes off and the full auto. Should have made that more clear. We set the MROF for eyes off to the highest setting and then back down to 10 for the test.
Maybe this is a firmware bug. Not that you would really want to shoot with the eyes off anyways but inquiring minds do want to know…..

Thanks.

Joe

[Trigga Nometry]

Sorry about that Joe. I misread your post, either that or the coffee hasn't kicked in yet lol.

Interesting stuff though. Geeky? You bet and I love it.

[boostmonkey]

Uh oh, this thread doesn't look good. It sure is awful hard to get an Angel to shoot at 31 bps, apparently even the new ones too. You should DEFINITELY be able to cycle higher than 13 though. Good luck, hope you find it.

[Trigga Nometry]

Just to be clear, you did this with paint or dry firing? Also - Is this with the updated or flashed software?

[jpasint]

Just to be clear, you did this with paint or dry firing? Also - Is this with the updated or flashed software?

Dry fire and no firmware update. Would dry fire matter?

Joe

[ac68886]

Dry fire shouldn't matter. You might also want to try this again in the demo mode (reverses the eye logic for firing with no paint) so you can leave the eyes "on".

Also, from the sound of Ken's posts, using the new firmware might make a difference as it sounds like they made some important tweaks to the firing code.

[jpasint]

Dry fire shouldn't matter. You might also want to try this again in the demo mode (reverses the eye logic for firing with no paint) so you can leave the eyes "on".

Also, from the sound of Ken's posts, using the new firmware might make a difference as it sounds like they made some important tweaks to the firing code.


Wow, I’m kinda having a hard time excepting that The Angel 1 can only should 13 BPS. I wonder if it is just my son’s marker or everyone’s. Maybe that explains why some thought that the rate of fire did not seem that high.
Oh well, I guess as long as the new firmware will fix this it is not that big a deal. Just surprising that’s all.
We will give the new firmware a shot soon and report back the results in case anyone is interested.

Take care.

Joe

[moth99]

The angel one can def fire over 13 I can assure you. Eyes off I am not sure becuase when I am setting the trigger I use the eyes off and when I hear the solenoid click it really doesn't seem that fast. So what probably is happening is that there are other factors that only kick in with the eyes on that contribute to higher rates of fire. De-bounce, shot % filtering, etc. so that when the eyes get turned off the gun turns to striclty pure semi without any of these extra factors to lesson the likelyhood of chops. I also noticed that the hard ramp and break out didn't seem to work with eyes off which may fit with my idea. Really though I doubt a human finger could reach 30 bps with true semi, 13 seems to be more correct, and its with all the little extras that you get with the eyes on that let you get 20+ bps.

[jpasint]

The angel one can def fire over 13 I can assure you. Eyes off I am not sure becuase when I am setting the trigger I use the eyes off and when I hear the solenoid click it really doesn't seem that fast. So what probably is happening is that there are other factors that only kick in with the eyes on that contribute to higher rates of fire. De-bounce, shot % filtering, etc. so that when the eyes get turned off the gun turns to striclty pure semi without any of these extra factors to lesson the likelyhood of chops. I also noticed that the hard ramp and break out didn't seem to work with eyes off which may fit with my idea. Really though I doubt a human finger could reach 30 bps with true semi, 13 seems to be more correct, and its with all the little extras that you get with the eyes on that let you get 20+ bps.

This was done with full auto, not semi....

Joe

[GTOnizuka]

I've exerienced slow full auto shooting as well. I was curious why the full auto mode was slow as well. Maybe there is some hidden cap that we are not aware of.

[ac68886]

Ah... missed that part of the explanation.

FYI, there is a reason why companies put manuals into the packaging... ;)

As stated in the manual for the Angel One, there is a 15 bps cap to the full auto mode, eyes on or off.

I believe that just about every board for any gun will cap full-auto at 15 for safety reasons.

[jpasint]

Ah... missed that part of the explanation.

FYI, there is a reason why companies put manuals into the packaging... ;)

As stated in the manual for the Angel One, there is a 15 bps cap to the full auto mode, eyes on or off.

I believe that just about every board for any gun will cap full-auto at 15 for safety reasons.

Manual, oh yeah, the manual....
Well, it did not do 15 anyway:headoff: It did more like 12. That is not too bad but it is a considerable percentage of what should be 15.
So just when does this marker do 30 BPS? :blasting:

Take care.

Joe

[ac68886]

So just when does this marker do 30 BPS? :blasting:

Can't say as I haven't gotten mine yet. In the meantime, I'd suggest first flashing to the 1.5 software, using the settings Ken posted, and ripping on it in demo mode (so you don't have to waste paint). If that doesn't work, try lowering the de-bounce maybe?

But as far as I can tell, to get the really insane rates, you need to be in semi or custom semi as those seem to be the only ones that aren't capped in some way or another.

[SD-G-force]

try and look around the gun settings because you should be able to take caps off psp or full auto mode

[torontotom]

well since the board can be flashed, maybe some tech savvy pb-er can come up with some code to change that?