Going to evolve (lite) my g7 fly and i need all the help i can get!!!

[asylumkid]

well i got the lite kit to take away my mad barrel climb on my g7 fly. Shes an air hog too. Any way i want to do it myself but have never really gutted an angel before. So here i am at the mercey of whoever can help me out, i have completly gone over this awsome walk through..http://www.angelowners.com/showthread.php?t=34162. But i have a few questions.

One, i just have the lite kit so i will only be messing with the valve side and not the lpr. I do however need to adjust my lpr from the factory 65. What is a good number to put my lpr at. low 40's maby? I also don't want to experiance FSDO , roll back, and my angel failing to recharge fast enough during rapid fire. What are the steps i need to take to achive all that other than the obvious removal of the shims to lower the lpr.

Two, the review i was going over that i just listed was for the first gen evolve kit and it was for an 05 speed. I have the latests gen. evolve "lite" kit and its going on my g7 fly so i was wanting to know whats going to be diffrences in what i was reading and what i should do when installing on my fly.

Three, do i need to mess with my mini reg? If i do how do i set it/ know where its set at? Sorry, ive really never delt with my mini reg other than greaseing.


Four, i need some grease for the entire process. I know your suppose to use love grease but what are some other greases that are safe to use on my g7 fly? Other than that i really can't think of anyhting else important i need to know about so i wont fauk up my baby. If i missed anything please fill me in. I hope i will be able to do this because i just don't trust a stranger messing with my baby girl...lol and coughing up the cash to have him do it.

Any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated to help me out. Thanks in advance!

[Shades]

Basically the evolve kit will not fit strait onto a G7 or G7 Fly and is a complete waist of time. Forget the evolve kit this is now dead and left to older Angel’s like the Speed05, what you need is an MT Force Flow Valve; this will solve your problems.

http://secure.fixmyangel.com/modules.php?name=catalog&file=product_info&cPath=9_37&products_id=558&osCsid=f4237037adb4ae5461f2ac03d9648e5f

[warpedx]

It is possible to put the evolve kit on a G7 platform. Trigga Nometry had his set up that way for a while, he'd be able to give you pointers based off personal experience.

[asylumkid]

Basically the evolve kit will not fit strait onto a G7 or G7 Fly and is a complete waist of time. Forget the evolve kit this is now dead and left to older Angel’s like the Speed05, what you need is an MT Force Flow Valve; this will solve your problems.

http://secure.fixmyangel.com/modules.php?name=catalog&file=product_info&cPath=9_37&products_id=558&osCsid=f4237037adb4ae5461f2ac03d9648e5f


how will a new valve fix my kick/barrel climb???? Thats what i want to dissapear.

[Th3bLaCkNiGhT]

how will a new valve fix my kick/barrel climb???? Thats what i want to dissapear.
the only thing the evolve kit does is make you have adjustable spring tension allowing for less pressure and less kick. w/ the new valve you get less spring tension and more flow (am i right? someone chime in plz). i know i have 2 a4 flys and they both have virtually zero kick. one is evolved and one has a cobra valve in it.

[Shades]

how will a new valve fix my kick/barrel climb???? Thats what i want to dissapear.

So why mention your concerns on air efficiency? “She’s an air hog too”

It just looks you fancy playing with an out of date thing that is not of any worth on the G7 engine (the Evolve Kit). This worked very well on the A4 engine; I should know Martin from Evolve in Nuneaton UK fitted a full kit including there RAM on my old Speed gambler (helps with me living only 30mis drive down the road from both WDP and Evolve)

There again don’t listen to me I have only played in a WDP world sponsored team for twelve years, spent more time with all the peeps down WDP Brum (in the factory and down the Pub) than I care to remember, even better when you can just drop your marker an Frazer’s desk, make a coffee and talk about life the Universe and everything in it.

[Brad7]

What you need to do is lower your LPR and dwell. If you set your LPR to about 50 psi the "kick" you speak of should go away. Lowering your dwell to around 8-9 will help you save air. Also, if you're interested in getting better air efficiency I would make sure you have the MT valve (depending on when you purchased your Fly, you may already have it), also check out DEZign Custom Bolts (*not to be confused with New Designs). My man Robert Hernandez makes the best bolts for the Angel G7 Fly. His bolts are hand made and will help you increase your velocity over 20+fps, allowing your to decrease your input pressure, thus saving you air. E-mail him and tell him Brad sent you and he might throw in some free detents.

[warpedx]

The evolve kit will allow you to adjust the valve spring tension, giving you a chance to balance the pressure, tension, and dwell setting. The cobra valve spring is softer than the stock valve spring.
A good tune could help you out, might want to try that first. Pulling the ram and cleaning it and relubing it smoothed mine out a great deal after I broke it in. If it has never had a thorough cleaning, it could be running a bit rough.
Unless you already have the Evolve kit lying around to play with, it is an expensive experiment to perform.

[boostmonkey]

the only thing the evolve kit does is make you have adjustable spring tension allowing for less pressure and less kick. w/ the new valve you get less spring tension and more flow (am i right? someone chime in plz). i know i have 2 a4 flys and they both have virtually zero kick. one is evolved and one has a cobra valve in it.

Allowing you to adjust the valve spring pressure is one of the TWO major changes an evolve kit makes.

The other is:

The newton kit uses those insanely light hammers. You can get some mad cycling speeds at low LPR pressures with that hammer. Ask technix2002 :evilgrin:

[Th3bLaCkNiGhT]

Allowing you to adjust the valve spring pressure is one of the TWO major changes an evolve kit makes.

The other is:

The newton kit uses those insanely light hammers. You can get some mad cycling speeds at low LPR pressures with that hammer. Ask technix2002 :evilgrin:
but you can also put a nylon hammer or delrin hammer in w/o evolving it. just like i did.

[asylumkid]

k....so evolveing it would be pointless i get it. The hammer however needs to be and must be replaced. I mean that just makes since to me, am i right or wrong? So my question now is, " how many shims do you think i need to remove to lower my lpr/" Also what is the best number to lower it too?? I saw 50 psi was suggested, is 40's ok? And lastly, can i use the lighter hammer out of my evolve kit that i just bought? Or do i need to buy another type of delrin hammer that was also suggested?

[Shades]

How many shims you need to remove?

Do not drop your LPR below 50psi or you will get ridicules drop off. Setting your LPR is not a guessing game you must use a gage there is no other way of doing this. You seam set on using the Evolve kit, you will not achieve anything at all by using it and you may even give yourself more problems by just using bits of it. SELL IT!

Read up on this forum and you will soon find the best settings for the G7 engines, stop trying to bring things over from the A4 engine that do not work, fit or is needed on your G7 Fly.

Drop your LPR to 50psi (using a gage) set your dwell to 9ms and fit an MT Valve job dun…….

Like folks are trying to tell you the Evolve Kit is a thing of the past, works great on the A4 engines and that’s it. Even Martin from Evolve will tell you not to use the full derlin hammer because it has and can brake, he recommends the half and half one.

Any more questions ask Frazer because your just going round in circles determined to give yourself problems.

[boostmonkey]

Like folks are trying to tell you the Evolve Kit is a thing of the past, works great on the A4 engines and that’s it.


Adjustable valve spring force and lighter reciprocating mass are not things of the past, regardless of what paintball gun you have. I am going to have to call BS on your above post.

Even WDP seems to agree:
Lightened hammer and bolt, allowing for a lower pressure operation and a smaller cycling mass to reduce kick.

[boostmonkey]

but you can also put a nylon hammer or delrin hammer in w/o evolving it. just like i did.

How is that working out for you? How is the velocity consistency? Whose hammer are you using? I was thinking about doing something similar.

[Shades]

Adjustable valve spring force and lighter reciprocating mass are not things of the past, regardless of what paintball gun you have. I am going to have to call BS on your above post.

Even WDP seems to agree:

What the hell are you on about? lol

No don’t tell me it’s an American thing lol
Now is that WDP over there say or WDP in Brum? Because why does fitting an Evolve kit void your warranty if WDP supported them.

I must say a lot of what is said on this forum can be very interesting but at times some do go off on one. Again it must be with me being English.. You do find some can be very ante English and unsociable on some of these forums from over the water, because as usual they don’t like criticism or people questioning them in any way. One day you may realise that your way is not always the right way.

[boostmonkey]

What the hell are you on about? lol

No don’t tell me it’s an American thing lol
Now is that WDP over there say or WDP in Brum? Because why does fitting an Evolve kit void your warranty if WDP supported them.

I must say a lot of what is said on this forum can be very interesting but at times some do go off on one. Again it must be with me being English.. You do find some can be very ante English and unsociable on some of these forums from over the water, because as usual they don’t like criticism or people questioning them in any way. One day you may realise that your way is not always the right way.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I am discussing the technical mechanics of paintball markers. I didn't know, and don't care, what country you are from.

To answer your only question that related to Angels: I think it is interesting that the Newton kit voids the warranty, though I hadn't heard this before. I expect that decision was more likely made by WDP's business controls personnel than by their engineers.

[asylumkid]

How many shims you need to remove?

Do not drop your LPR below 50psi or you will get ridicules drop off. Setting your LPR is not a guessing game you must use a gage there is no other way of doing this. You seam set on using the Evolve kit, you will not achieve anything at all by using it and you may even give yourself more problems by just using bits of it. SELL IT!

Read up on this forum and you will soon find the best settings for the G7 engines, stop trying to bring things over from the A4 engine that do not work, fit or is needed on your G7 Fly.

Drop your LPR to 50psi (using a gage) set your dwell to 9ms and fit an MT Valve job dun…….

Like folks are trying to tell you the Evolve Kit is a thing of the past, works great on the A4 engines and that’s it. Even Martin from Evolve will tell you not to use the full derlin hammer because it has and can brake, he recommends the half and half one.

Any more questions ask Frazer because your just going round in circles determined to give yourself problems.

wow i don't know weather or not to be thankfull or pissed at you. Yes you gave me some information to consider and i thank you for that. But on the other your makeing fun of me and being an a.ss to boot. I come here for information from nice people, if i wanted to be made fun of i would post on pbnation.And the whole " im English and live right next to wdp so i MUST be better than you" attitude is not going over so well judgeing by the posts above me.

Now for a question that i would like to get some "positive" help with. Everybody knows that lightening the hammer reduces kick and increases cycle rate, that is just a cold hard fact. Am i stuck with the stock hammers in my g7 and g7 fly? Or can i do something about them?

[asylumkid]

???

[Th3bLaCkNiGhT]

How is that working out for you? How is the velocity consistency? Whose hammer are you using? I was thinking about doing something similar.
sry i wasnt keeping up on this thread. it is actually doing quite well. i am using a spare evolve half n half hammer that i had laying around after selling some spare evolve parts.

to be completely honest im having amazing results. one tourney i played in i was shooting 297 all day, with no other numbers. however that has not happened again, i am now getting about +/-3 and i have a cp reg on it as well.

i am very happy with the results and i nkow my guns need some more fine tuning (especially my evolved fly as it still kicks and my efficiency isnt the greatest, but i just slapped it on and havnt had time to play with it.)

my lpr is still set at 55 psi and when i lower it it tends to cause some crazy shootdown because i do have one hell of a crappy lpr. i have been trying to decide whether or not the buy a jds lpr and one of your guages to adjust it or if i should wait on the AKA lpr and see how its performance is. i have decided now to at least wait for the aka to see how it performs in comparison to the jds. when it is released i will make my decision and purchase a new better recharging lpr. that way i can lower my lpr even lower to about 45 and still have a low dwell and a medium operating pressure and keep my gun with no kick and super gentle on paint with great efficiency.

[11 Bravo]

Just set your gun up right and you wont have the barrel climb or kick. Follow Kens instructions for setting it up. Mini reg pressure 250, Lpr 55, Dwell 8 or 9.

I have these settings and have no kick or vibration at all.

[boostmonkey]

Th3bLaCkNiGhT, thanks for the info/review. Now I am definitely going to get a nylon hammer when crownsk8er has them available for A4 Flys.

I sounds like you have a good plan for your evolved fly!

[Technix2002]

Ooops, I meant to PM not post. Ignorant of me.