Angel One problems/issues

[GTOnizuka]

I love my A1, but I've noticed a few things while playing with it for the last two days. Maybe we can help make this already amazing marker, even better!

Ok, my first issue is with the scroll wheel. Has anyone else put their marker into Safe mode in the middle of a game, as I have? While playing, it's very easy to hold the wheel in the "up" or "down" position with the palm of your hand/glove. I've resorted to putting tape over the wheel, kind of annoying having to tape a $1200 marker to stop it from shutting off. =/

My second issue is with the trigger. I can absolutly rip with my G7 Fly, it far outshoots the A1 in terms of speed. I know the A1 can do better, but I've been adjusting the trigger for two days and can't seem to get it where I like it. Any recommendations to how you have your trigger set?

My third issue is with air efficiency, or lack there of. Today, 2 pods and a hopper = about 1500psi!!! Can anyone explain to me why this marker is such an Air Hog?? Maybe it just needs to break in. My dwell is set at 9 and I'm shooting at about 290fps. My G7 Fly will get me 5 pods and a hopper before reaching 1,000. For comparisons sake.

[JeffW]

So far I'm liking my G7 Fly w/Tadao better than my 1. I wish I didn't sell it. My problems are efficiency, eyes, double feeding, and modes.

Its a gas hog for sure, hopefully it will get better. I had it on 8-11 on dwell and not much difference in efficiency. I am using a 45/4500 LP Crossy.

My eyes covers are warped(?) and when I start ripping the eye covers will move allowing (1)light in, (2) eyes to move causing the gun to stop shooting. You can actually see the eyes shining from outside the gun.

Next problem it is double feeding. I have a Halo w/angry board and I never had problems with it before. Now I can have 3-5 ball shooting/rolling out of the barrel. I've adjusted the hopper speed from 8-16 with no change. I shot it today with a stock Halo B with the same results. I DO NOT like the detents.

Next is the settings. I was hoping in PSP/CFOA(same) would be like the Tadao but its not. I was also hoping it would have adjustable rate of fire in those modes as not all pact timers read the same. I happy with the looks, weight, feel of the marker but performance wise its not close to my G7 Fly. Lets hope it gets better.

[KEN CRANE]

So far I'm liking my G7 Fly w/Tadao better than my 1. I wish I didn't sell it. My problems are efficiency, eyes, double feeding, and modes.

Its a gas hog for sure, hopefully it will get better. I had it on 8-11 on dwell and not much difference in efficiency. I am using a 45/4500 LP Crossy.

My eyes covers are warped(?) and when I start ripping the eye covers will move allowing (1)light in, (2) eyes to move causing the gun to stop shooting. You can actually see the eyes shining from outside the gun.

Next problem it is double feeding. I have a Halo w/angry board and I never had problems with it before. Now I can have 3-5 ball shooting/rolling out of the barrel. I've adjusted the hopper speed from 8-16 with no change. I shot it today with a stock Halo B with the same results. I DO NOT like the detents.

Next is the settings. I was hoping in PSP/CFOA(same) would be like the Tadao but its not. I was also hoping it would have adjustable rate of fire in those modes as not all pact timers read the same. I happy with the looks, weight, feel of the marker but performance wise its not close to my G7 Fly. Lets hope it gets better.

call me or bob please when you get time 508-400-2007

[KEN CRANE]

the air issue. ypu can run the dwell down to as low as 6-6.5 also remove 2 shims intil you start to see drop off and add 1 back in. that should be the sweet spot. the trigger will be a setup issue. i will look into it going into safe as it wasnt something we were able to do in tampa

[BigBigZubra]

yep i shot the A1 today and it wasnt what i expected it didnt shoot very str8 it looked like it was putting backspin on the balls and i couldnt rip it even close to as fast as my fly..and i have a reloader b and like half the ball went down and the bolt was alreadv there and chopped the ball causing the bolt to stay up and causing me to put my squeegee in the gun to push the bolt back!!! then the gun was shooting everywhere after i turned the eyes off and emptied my hopper and squeeged out the whole inside this is all in 1 game idk if ima buy 1 until all the kinks r sorted out that every1 else is having!!!

[GTOnizuka]

the air issue. ypu can run the dwell down to as low as 6-6.5 also remove 2 shims intil you start to see drop off and add 1 back in. that should be the sweet spot. the trigger will be a setup issue. i will look into it going into safe as it wasnt something we were able to do in tampa


Ken, thank you for your reply. I was hoping you would pop into this thread.

I LOVE my A1, I just want to find out why it's such a gas hog, and any tips you have on adjusting the trigger would be GREATLY appreciated.

My marker does not have the eye cover issues that Jeff mentioned. My covers stay on nice and tight. I can, however, see the red glow from around the cover. I am using a Vlocity loader on the #7 speed setting.

I will adjust my dwell and remove the shims as you mentioned. I'm also using a 68/4500 LP Crossfire tank on it.

***EDIT: Also, the "safe mode" issue, It was not just me who could manage this. Today, the owner of a local paintball store wanted some video of my gun. While he was shooting it, it went into safe. Also, a ref at the field managed to do the same thing.

[GTOnizuka]

Ken, I just checked the LPR.....6 SHIMS INSIDE. =o


What the hell, my G7 Fly is only using 2.

[KEN CRANE]

Ken, I just checked the LPR.....6 SHIMS INSIDE. =o


What the hell, my G7 Fly is only using 2.

number wont be relitive to the g7 as the gas chamber set up is completly different.

[Ed Braunbeck]

I've got about 2 cases of paint through it so far. It shoots great and the eye covers fit fine. It did start making a pinging noice when it fires. Not sure what that is all about. Maybe Bob or Ken could let me know if that is something I need to worry about or fix. I did cut my Halo neck down by about 1/4". It locks down much tighter now.

Thanks,

Ed

[GTOnizuka]

number wont be relitive to the g7 as the gas chamber set up is completly different.


Ok, that makes sense. I took out all but 2 shims, and my LPR guage says it's at 60psi. Should I take one more out?

[GTOnizuka]

Great, now it leaks from inside, and the eyes are not detecting balls that are clearly sitting in the breech. There is some massive delay in the detection that was not there before.

[GTOnizuka]

NOW its a complete blender. I have a $1200 blender.


woot! The eyes are seriously broken. It will fire a shot, then telll me no ball is present in the breech. Then fire 3, then stop. It didn't do this all day.

[NorwegianPlaya]

at least it looks good :pat:

[KEN CRANE]

NOW its a complete blender. I have a $1200 blender.


woot! The eyes are seriously broken. It will fire a shot, then telll me no ball is present in the breech. Then fire 3, then stop. It didn't do this all day.

call me or bob please when you get time 508-400-2007

[gebber]

I had the same pinging sound with my G7 and it turned out to be the small aluminium cuff on the valve stem came loose. I fixed it with a little crazy glue and its been great for past 6 months.

[BigBigZubra]

yea its doing that to my fly and was doing that 2day when i shoot the A1~~ so all i have to do is look 4 sumthing in my valve??

[Mr. Tapes]

This has me sorta spooked.

I mean you have more than one person having problems, and they are all relatively the same.

The efficiency is not a big deal, it doesn't sound that horrible, this coming from someone who shoots a DM5, and it sounds like some tweaking may help.

The thing that worries me the most is the guy that can see the light through his eye covers. They are shifting? I hope the rest of the gun, or better, the rest of the guns to be shipped are put together better.

GTO, you sure you didn't crimp the eye wires while messing with the LPR? Those ribbons are touchy. Wires would have been a better choice IMO.

[samson]

yep it has me thinking as well...maybe they will have the kinks worked out before the next shipment...

[JeffW]

I corrected the efficiency problem by dropping the dwell to 6 and removing some shims from the lpr. I'm used to running a dwell of 9-10 in my G7 Fly. I played with my trigger adjustments some more and that corrected my concerns about the PSP/CFOA mode.

[moth99]

Ok with the trigger with like an hour and a half of messing with it is much better after you jack the return strength screw like all the way in or a good deal in. I found that it will slighlty move the trigger back and create a better feel for it. Stock, the trigger was a little floppy with a long pull so just bring in the forward pull and then back pull in then go at activation point last. Efficiency was a problem so I will start to mess with it a little. Any suggestions Ken on what pressure we should be operating at ? So far the eyes haven't proved to be a problem with the light showing on the outside and only chopped a few old, cold, and bad matched paintballs that were in my fridge for like half a year. The only thing I really haven't figured out is with the modes. Do the eyes have to be on for the ramping to kick in ? I have been adjusting and messing around a little when fine tuning the trigger and haven't gotten ramping to work, so I was thinking it was because it was due to the eyes off.

[NATERATER]

Is anyone beside's Jeff have this detent problem? Just curious.

[GTOnizuka]

I am now having serious issues with the eye covers/detents. They are being pushed out of the body, and now my the eyes are having trouble operating correctly.

[haroldenzo]

Man, this is scaring me. I hope everything is worked out cause I was really looking forward to getting one of these.

[JeffW]

Do the eyes have to be on for the ramping to kick in ? I have been adjusting and messing around a little when fine tuning the trigger and haven't gotten ramping to work, so I was thinking it was because it was due to the eyes off.

From what I can tell, it only shoots in semi with the eyes off.

Everyone do this, Ken told me to lower my dwell to 6-6.5, remove some shims until I got some dropoff, then add the shims back until the dropoff goes away. I'm telling you it makes a difference. The gun is much quieter, smoother, and I'm sure more efficient. I was running a dwell of 9-10(what I was used to in my G7 Fly)and Ken said that is way too high. The pressures are different from what we are used to.

[NorwegianPlaya]

You wouldn't want a ramping gun without eyes.. it usually means a lot of ballbreaks.. The halo is not consistantly giving you 15,4bps..

So I would say that is a good thing, but what about the detents? And why would you not use the eyes?

[GTOnizuka]

From what I can tell, it only shoots in semi with the eyes off.

Everyone do this, Ken told me to lower my dwell to 6-6.5, remove some shims until I got some dropoff, then add the shims back until the dropoff goes away. I'm telling you it makes a difference. The gun is much quieter, smoother, and I'm sure more efficient. I was running a dwell of 9-10(what I was used to in my G7 Fly)and Ken said that is way too high. The pressures are different from what we are used to.


Jeff is right. I did what Ken said and the marker is MUCH more efficient now. I was running mine like my G7 is set up too, but the A1 is far different.


:) :)

[NorwegianPlaya]

I am now having serious issues with the eye covers/detents. They are being pushed out of the body, and now my the eyes are having trouble operating correctly.

Has this been fixed? What did you do? :pissed:

[hgroberts]

ya, I have been stressing over this I was wondering what kind of efficenienjcty you guys were geting

[moth99]

I was only turning the eyes off so that I could mess with the trigger and not waste a ton of air just firing it in my house. I ended up messing up where my trigger was almost perfect so now I have to try and redo it again and that took me awhile to get it just right, so has anybody had any better luck at setting up the trigger? Oh and one more thing, whats the easiest way to pull out the shims? I got all of them out but like 2 or 3 and there was a little bit of oil on them which had them stick together sp any eqasier ways ?

[za69]

hey GTO is ur A1 shooting fine or is it still a litttle messed up???

[GTOnizuka]

It's no longer a blender. Must have been a freak occurance or something. =/

Right now I'm running it with 2 shims, my LPR guage kit says it's at about 60psi. My dwell is set at 6.5 and it seems very happy!

I worked the trigger over and still have some tweaking to do, but right now it's very close to where I like it.

I'm still testing some things and have some more work to do on it.

[Mr. Tapes]

Very good.

Anyone still experiencing problems with those eye covers?

BTW, Are they rubber or metal?

[za69]

has anyone tried out the break out modes??? and hows the effieciency so far????

[moth99]

Efficiency seems alot better now after messing with the shims. I wasn't using paint when removing the shims so I ended up removing 3 and didn't hear any dropoff and lpr preessure is at about 50 now I believe. Earlier the light showing on the outside of the gun was brought up, but it shouldn't lead to problems with the eyes. The red light you see in the laser eyes is just an led wired with the infra red emitter so that when the eyes aren't working then no led indicates that the eyes are busted. The infrared beam in the eyes travels straight across and when broken indicates a paintball, so any visible light from the led outside the gun shouldn't mess with the eyes whatsoever. Overall the detents have worked fine, and the air efficiency seems better now but I don't have a crono infront of me to check my fps and see if it is consistant. The only real issues that I have had with the gun was initially with the efficiency which has been fixed and the trigger which took a good while to get set to where I wanted it. Now I just need to test the gun at a field to get a better feel for the changes that I have made, best of luck and keep on posting any fixes or problems that you have ran into.

[irockthespeed]

Sounds like most of the problems got fixed. You guys had me worried a bit there! When I get mine I'll have to come back to this thread to set it up right.

Thanks Bob and Ken for the fixes.

[BigBigZubra]

Very good.

Anyone still experiencing problems with those eye covers?

BTW, Are they rubber or metal?

they r rubber

[gijoe1254]

so any remedies for the people playing and it going into safe mode, for me that and the eyes sound like a bigger concern than the air efficency

[GTOnizuka]

so any remedies for the people playing and it going into safe mode, for me that and the eyes sound like a bigger concern than the air efficency

For right now, I put a peice of tape over the button. =/

[moth99]

I have an idea to fix the problem may not look the best but maybe better than tape. The inlet for the scroll wheel looks deep enough that someone or maybe at a later time WDP could create a small rubber cover but that would be in awhile if that ever happened. You could take some velcro and get a small piece and place it next to the wheel in the inlet then place the velcro piece on top of that so when U play its protected then when you want to access the wheel then just pull apart the velcro, access the menues, then restick the velcro on the bottum piece to protect the wheel again. All it takes is some small peices, the sticky part then the fuzzy part that sticks. If you cut it right it may not look that bad and you can paint the Angel logo on it to make it look more natural :nerd:

[KEN CRANE]

Ok, here are some solutions for the issues you have brought up.

1} we are aware of a small number of eye straps that have “relaxed” after the curing process. This allows the eye covers to flex when shooting paint or holding your hand over the barrel and dry firing . if they flex too far it will allow for occasional double feeding.This is not happening on all guns just a small portion of the first shipment. Most of these guns went to sponsored teams so it affects only a handful. If you are having this issue email your name, shipping address, serial number off the breach and day time cell phone and email address to frazer@wdp.tv. Fraz will see that new stronger covers will be shipped to you directly.
2} some are stating the efficiency is poor out of the box. Here’s the best way to stretch more air from your setup. First lower the dwell from the factory setting of 9 to as low as 6 to 6.5. As well you can lower the lpr pressure. Now there is no magical number (psi). The best way to achieve the most efficient set up is to do as follows. Remove 2 shims from the lpr until the velocity drops. When you have reached this point put 1 shim back in and this should be the “sweet spot”. I know it doesn’t sound scientific but use the k.i.s.s theory it works.
3} setting up the trigger requires a little finesse. some of the adjustment screws are really tight as the loctite used was a little stronger than needed. Once you break the screw free it should be easy to adjust from that point. It will become personal preference at this point but leave some free play to make it faster.
4} 2 people have indicated that they are putting the gun into safe mode while playing. We cannot duplicate this unless we hold the frame with our thumb vertical on the frame and feather the trigger but it’s hard to do. More testing is being done as we speak. This stuff gets to the top of the company fast and is handled as quickly as poss.

please continue to post your concerns about the a1 here in this thread. we want to here what you are seeing as the player. all we ask is leave the drama for your mamma! get us the facts as its much easier to determine facts if theirs no fluff. i know emotion sometimes gets in the way but trust me facts speak louder..


07/06/06 ok a update on the eye straps. all guns were located. only a few actualy ended up in customers hands. all dealers were notified and will recieve straps for every gun they have in stock tommorow or the following day. i have tested them today and they are perfect.all guns that you would purchace from here on out are allset and have the modified covers installed.

[paintgiver]

thank god, I was really scared. Now, when can I, as a normal player, purchase an Angel one from a retailer? and/or when can I buy a colored one (red)?

only ken or another MT answer, I dont want a guess from some random person.

[Ed Braunbeck]

Ken,

Should I be concerned about the pinging sound I heard on the field while firing it? I was shooting Reballs last night at 215 FPS and it didn't seem to be as noticable.

Thanks,

Ed

[KEN CRANE]

Ken,

Should I be concerned about the pinging sound I heard on the field while firing it? I was shooting Reballs last night at 215 FPS and it didn't seem to be as noticable.

Thanks,

Ed

sorry i forgot to answer that. no right now that isnt a problem

[GTOnizuka]

Ken: E-mail sent! Thank you VERY MUCH for all your hard work and I'd like to thank WDP for taking this so seriously.

:)

[haroldenzo]

I would also like to know when more colors will be available as well as when retailers will recieve them. I work for a paintball business in Florida, and i'm waiting for our guy who orders everything to be able to get one of these. He's awaiting word on when they will be available.

[KEN CRANE]

I would also like to know when more colors will be available as well as when retailers will recieve them. I work for a paintball business in Florida, and i'm waiting for our guy who orders everything to be able to get one of these. He's awaiting word on when they will be available.

i have been told within the next 2 weeks. ask your buyer to contact owen or melissa for a more accurate date

[Furby]

Ken,

Should I be concerned about the pinging sound I heard on the field while firing it? I was shooting Reballs last night at 215 FPS and it didn't seem to be as noticable.

Thanks,

Ed

What airsystem are you using? I use Centerflags and they have a tendency to make a 'ping' or 'pwing' sound because of the piston. On a Centerflag the piston is very long and it creates some harmonics when it's recharging, resulting in a cute little sound.

You have to remember that Angels are very demanding on airsystems, so they have to work hard to keep up with the gun, and the audible fireworks you're hearing are very likely the airsystem is working its butt off keeping up with the gun. The same airsytem quites down significantly on my GZ because it's not nearly as demanding. It's also slower, but that's another issue entirely.

[GTOnizuka]

I never had the pining problem, but I DO still have the issue with the eyes not detecting balls even though they are plainly sitting in the breech. I don't know what the cause of this is, or if it's related to the eye covers.

It will fire 3 shots or so, then stop and the display says no ball is present. I flip the breech and there is a ball there. I fire, it stops, fire, stops....

[Speedy_in_Blue]

Furby, I agree, I used to use Centerflags too, ive switched to the Guerilla Air systems and get the same thing. Ive come to the conclusion they must use a similar reg setup.

Also, any word on when the Blue will be shipping? Im tempted to be im patient and see if any of the black are still around, I preordered one and Im tempted to just get a black one and get some of the accents anno'd. But we'll see.

[moth99]

Not to hijack the thread, but how can I tell if my eye strap is one of the faulty ones from the first shipment ? I just dry fired mine in the backyard and I can see that after a shot the strap will move slightly outward but I'm not sure if thats just natural blowback from the shot moving the strap or if its faulty ? I haven't played at a field yet so not sure if there would be double feeding but I just don't want to end up at practice in the near future and run into problems.

[GTOnizuka]

Not to hijack the thread, but how can I tell if my eye strap is one of the faulty ones from the first shipment ? I just dry fired mine in the backyard and I can see that after a shot the strap will move slightly outward but I'm not sure if thats just natural blowback from the shot moving the strap or if its faulty ? I haven't played at a field yet so not sure if there would be double feeding but I just don't want to end up at practice in the near future and run into problems.


Get a new one, mine was fine for the first 2 days or so, but it relaxes after play. Next thing you know, it will be off and your detents will fly out. As mine just did.

[moth99]

I was just a little concerned because the rubber detents could move alot with just a small movement of the eye strap I presume but I haven't yet tested the gun at a field so I have no idea of what would happen with higher rates of fire and prolonged play. GTO, like how far would the straps move out when fired ? Was it dramatic or just slight movement ? I got my gun on Friday so it seems to be one of the guns in the early first batch so I am not sure if its bad or not. I just would feel bad if I emailed Frazer and found out after a few practices that I was worried over nothing and the movement was natural from blowback.

[corellon]

i want to know if WDP will have everything to fix the Angel One in Boston. It's in less than 3 weeks and it will probably be faster to wait till boston that wait for the mail....?

[GTOnizuka]

They move out just a little bit, but its enough that they eventually become warped.

[moth99]

Gotcha, same with mine so I'll send an email Frazer's way.

[fife]

:pissed:

1. don't play with gloves, they "seem" to interfere with the thumbwheel?

2. air efficiency is just peachy. Newton's third law is also the basis for design changes (ie. internal air volume seems a little gross???) In the pneumatics world, it is easier to control "pneumatic enegy" in a smaller more controllable space. I guess one good thing is we can run our dwell very low, at least with good batteries.

I know, all new things need the bugs worked out but I'm glad I kept my G7.

[KEN CRANE]

:pissed:

1. don't play with gloves, they "seem" to interfere with the thumbwheel?

2. air efficiency is just peachy. Newton's third law is also the basis for design changes (ie. internal air volume seems a little gross???) In the pneumatics world, it is easier to control "pneumatic enegy" in a smaller more controllable space. I guess one good thing is we can run our dwell very low, at least with good batteries.

I know, all new things need the bugs worked out but I'm glad I kept my G7.


not sure newtons 3rd law actualy applies here as we are only using the internal air volume as a back up storage device(not pnumatic energy as it is stored static rather than working prior to the lpr. but hell i wasnt very good in physics) prior to the lpr causing nothing but a fuller faster recharge rate. the batteries have almost no effect in revelance here as the drop out point for the o-led is much sooner than cyccle speed or dwell.the early warning low battery message should notify you long before drop off would occour.

[Speedy_in_Blue]

ken, do you happen to know when the blue A1's will be shipping? If its a decent amount of time(ie 2/3 weeks), do you possibly know if Sean and Eric at angelparts have any of the black ones in still? They are within a 15min drive from me and I know them pretty well, so ill prolly just get a black one from them if the blue are a long ways out.

[cwoertel]

:pissed:

1. don't play with gloves, they "seem" to interfere with the thumbwheel?

2. air efficiency is just peachy. Newton's third law is also the basis for design changes (ie. internal air volume seems a little gross???) In the pneumatics world, it is easier to control "pneumatic enegy" in a smaller more controllable space. I guess one good thing is we can run our dwell very low, at least with good batteries.

I know, all new things need the bugs worked out but I'm glad I kept my G7.


Newton's third law is for every action there is an opposit and equal reaction. I have no idea what that has to do with anything, and I would know, I am a physics student. Also, I think that the Angel One is a good marker with a few problems that will be worked out.

[BigBigZubra]

Newton's third law is for every action there is an opposit and equal reaction. I have no idea what that has to do with anything, and I would know, I am a physics student. Also, I think that the Angel One is a good marker with a few problems that will be worked out.

qft

[NorwegianPlaya]

In the pneumatics world, it is easier to control "pneumatic enegy" in a smaller more controllable space. I guess one good thing is we can run our dwell very low, at least with good batteries.
haha! Do you know why ppl used to have those large volumizers? If you mean that having larger air-reservoirs is a bad thing, you better check your facts again... I belive this gun should be more efficiant than any other angel.

N3 workes on everyting everywhere (acceleration can make it not work though), but why he mentioned it, I don't know..
I myself study to get my masters degree in machine. (here (http://www.studier.ntnu.no/rw_index_sprog.php?sprog=MTPROD&type=HOVED))

[fife]

not sure newtons 3rd law actualy applies here as we are only using the internal air volume as a back up storage device(not pnumatic energy as it is stored static rather than working prior to the lpr. but hell i wasnt very good in physics) prior to the lpr causing nothing but a fuller faster recharge rate. the batteries have almost no effect in revelance here as the drop out point for the o-led is much sooner than cyccle speed or dwell.the early warning low battery message should notify you long before drop off would occour.

I knew I could grab your attention without bugging you on your phone. Thanks for the quick response


The second question was responded to as "should notify you", that's good and hopefully it will be long before the "first bar disappears" (you know what I mean :) ).

The physics student was following me closer on the other part, I was referring to what is now called the “volume chamber”. It appears that we are essentially now forced to use what basically is an internal volumizer. In other words we no longer can adjust the volume or pressure of this portion of the pneumatic operation. This has been an issue up in the air for a lot of us, in the past I have been able to get a more stable recharge with more consistent energy without the use of a volumizer. In other words………it’s faster and more efficient.

Translation of Newton’s Third law as it was implied (for the purpose ambiguous wording), for every design change (action) expect a reaction (equal or opposite). Certainly it can’t be expected that everyone supports change (opposite reaction)? Also being an industrial physics instructor, you have to make people think a little (outside of the book). Sorry bad habit but makes for good future designers (besides I like coded messages ;) )

[NorwegianPlaya]

the chamber that is now used as an "internal volumizer" was not used for anything on the speed 05. (There was only an lpr in the front at the left chamber) I used a volumizer that was hudge. I do not know why you would want to have less volume?

WDP Website
The front third of the 2 lower bores have been merged in to 1 chamber, to increase the volume of gas held in the exhaust valve chamber by 65%, which significantly lowers the pressure of gas used to propel the paintball, whilst substantially improving shot to shot consistency and accuracy.

The LPR has been fully re-designed and relocated from the front to the back of the main body. The LPR chamber is 80% larger and now sits directly beneath the Angel 1’s all new custom made 3volt solenoid, to allow direct air injection of the low pressure gas into the solenoid itself.

[moth99]

Tgallo, the sarcastic answer really doesn't help me with the problem. Not all of the first shipment of guns had faulty eye straps just a handfull, so I was only asking was there any other signs that may indicate that mine may have been from the bad batch in the first shipment. And yes I do know there has been one shipment of guns hence other posts asking when the 2nd shipment will be coming in, so sorry if you misunderstood what I was asking.

[Ed Braunbeck]

I set the dwell to 6.5 and removed 4 shims. The FPS actually climbed a bit. Keep in mind, I'm shooting Reballs which I question the consistency to begin with. As far as I can tell, there were 7 in to begin with. Does this seem right? Should I try to remove more to see if FPS drops?

Thanks,

Ed

[moth99]

Ya seems right, as long as you don't notice any shootdown then your fine. Ken said to remove shims until you start to notice shootdown then add 1 shim at a time till it goes away and that is the sweetspot.

Oh and any hints on removing the shims ? I can get them all except like 1 more that I need out and the lube thats in there acts like a glue so they tend to be hard to pull out. I really dont want to pull the whole LPR out just the shims.

[Ed Braunbeck]

Could you use a magnet to remove them or are they alloy?

[moth99]

Not sure if they are magnetic because aren't they aluminum ? I usually use a chopstick because I can't really eat with them so why not put them to use with paintball. If I had a manget lying around I could try but I'm out of luck for that one so if you find one give it a try and see how it goes.

[Ed Braunbeck]

No go on the magnet. Try an angled dental pick instead.

[KnightWKNF]

One issue I was having when I first aired it up to play was it sounded like there was gas leaking in the breech. So I opened the breech and it was coming from the hole in front of the hammer.....Not sure if it supposed to be like that but once i started shooting it seemed to have stoped. I have not aired it up for a second time. I am fairly new to angel but this is my second one. So maybe I did something wrong but any help or advice would be great.

[KEN CRANE]

Ya seems right, as long as you don't notice any shootdown then your fine. Ken said to remove shims until you start to notice shootdown then add 1 shim at a time till it goes away and that is the sweetspot.

Oh and any hints on removing the shims ? I can get them all except like 1 more that I need out and the lube thats in there acts like a glue so they tend to be hard to pull out. I really dont want to pull the whole LPR out just the shims.


lol stainless still has steel in it so it will attract to a magnet and that works good.lowering that dwell and lpr makes all the difference in the world. i am setting the rage guns up tonight and tommorow.

[KEN CRANE]

One issue I was having when I first aired it up to play was it sounded like there was gas leaking in the breech. So I opened the breech and it was coming from the hole in front of the hammer.....Not sure if it supposed to be like that but once i started shooting it seemed to have stoped. I have not aired it up for a second time. I am fairly new to angel but this is my second one. So maybe I did something wrong but any help or advice would be great.


nope you should be fine. low pressure guns have a hard time sealing tightly when you first fire them up. a couple of cycles cures that

[KEN CRANE]

I set the dwell to 6.5 and removed 4 shims. The FPS actually climbed a bit. Keep in mind, I'm shooting Reballs which I question the consistency to begin with. As far as I can tell, there were 7 in to begin with. Does this seem right? Should I try to remove more to see if FPS drops?

Thanks,

Ed

cant do custom tuning with reballs. they arre fine for playing buy to shoot them correctly you must increase the dwell time. so it is almost self defeating

[KEN CRANE]

I knew I could grab your attention without bugging you on your phone. Thanks for the quick response


The second question was responded to as "should notify you", that's good and hopefully it will be long before the "first bar disappears" (you know what I mean :) ).

The physics student was following me closer on the other part, I was referring to what is now called the “volume chamber”. It appears that we are essentially now forced to use what basically is an internal volumizer. In other words we no longer can adjust the volume or pressure of this portion of the pneumatic operation. This has been an issue up in the air for a lot of us, in the past I have been able to get a more stable recharge with more consistent energy without the use of a volumizer. In other words………it’s faster and more efficient.



Translation of Newton’s Third law as it was implied (for the purpose ambiguous wording), for every design change (action) expect a reaction (equal or opposite). Certainly it can’t be expected that everyone supports change (opposite reaction)? Also being an industrial physics instructor, you have to make people think a little (outside of the book). Sorry bad habit but makes for good future designers (besides I like coded messages ;) )




might be able to back fill the empty tube to actulay tune it better. hmmmm maybe if you did some work you might have a secret setup

[GTOnizuka]

Ken, when Frazer replied to my e-mail about sending out a new eye cover there was no mention of sending out a new bolt. Do you know if they plan to release a new design bolt with slots or notches molded/milled into the side for the detents? The current bolt pushes the detents completely out of the body.

Also, any update as to the slow shooting problem? I still can't get the marker to shoot fast. Even if I hold the eye covers shut with my hand, it still only shoots 3 shots, then stops, then maybe shoots one or two, stops, etc. It tells me that a ball is not present, but there is a ball there without a doubt. If I shut the eyes off to shoot, then it becomes a blender.

[JeffW]

I sent Frazer an email on Tuesday but no replies yet.

[fife]

I sent Frazer an email on Tuesday but no replies yet.

He is still celebrating the 4th of July!:smiley:

[Mr. Tapes]

Sounds to me like you have bad eyes.

[GTOnizuka]

Sounds to me like you have bad eyes.


I don't see how this is possible. It worked flawlessly Saturday and Sunday. Then, the eye cover issue presented itself and it's been downhill since then. The eyes on my G7 have lasted months without issue.

[Mr. Tapes]

I have had eyes go for no apparent reason. You may have also crimped them w/o realizing while working with the LPR or something else. The only thing that doesn't make sense is that they come and go, and also the fact that most eyes constantly read when they are faulty. It could be explained by a small amount of damage as opposed to a full break or crimp in the ribbon.

Those ribbons are very testy. Again, I don't understand why they didn't go with wires.

[GTOnizuka]

I have had eyes go for no apparent reason. You may have also crimped them w/o realizing while working with the LPR or something else. The only thing that doesn't make sense is that they come and go, and also the fact that most eyes constantly read when they are faulty. It could be explained by a small amount of damage as opposed to a full break or crimp in the ribbon.

Those ribbons are very testy. Again, I don't understand why they didn't go with wires.


I suppose anything is possible. I personally checked the entire length of both ribbon cables for the eyes. I've been an electronics tech for many tears and have experience working with cables of all sorts. There is no visible damage to the ribbons that I can see. Thats not to say there isen't a fault somewhere in the bed of the ribbon...

The on/off thing perplexes me too.

[JeffW]

The same thing has happened to my gun. Its the eye cover issue. Faulty eyes wouldn't cause double/triple feeding.

[mercui2y]

I am having three problems with my A1.

1. Bolt slides freely unlike my G7 fly.

2. Breach Knob is very loose and when shooting my A1 swings open, I have checked the o-ring like the g7 fly and is fine.

3. Eye cover on the left side has a gap that I can see the laser eyes and seems to be affecting the firing of the A1.

[Trigga Nometry]

I am having three problems with my A1.

1. Bolt slides freely unlike my G7 fly.From what I understand, that is supposed to do that on the A1. I forget what Ken called it but I remember him saying that it is supposed to do that.

[mercui2y]

Thanks trigg just wanted to make sure it was normal.

From what I understand, that is supposed to do that on the A1. I forget what Ken called it but I remember him saying that it is supposed to do that.

[Trigga Nometry]

No problem merc. I just didn't want it to turn into that the bolt freely moving was a problem. I believe that it was designed that way to reduce drag and have it even cycle smoother by not having to overcome the back or "locked" position on the previous ram designs.

I am not a MT and if I am wrong, I am sure that one of the MT's will step in a correct me, because I really am just guessing as to the "why" it is that way. But I know that Ken mentioned to me something to that effect.

[Mr. Tapes]

Well I got the e-mail saying that mine was shipped. I hope I won't have any further need to participate in this thread after I get mine.

[KEN CRANE]

I am having three problems with my A1.

1. Bolt slides freely unlike my G7 fly.

2. Breach Knob is very loose and when shooting my A1 swings open, I have checked the o-ring like the g7 fly and is fine.

3. Eye cover on the left side has a gap that I can see the laser eyes and seems to be affecting the firing of the A1.

ok, bolt/ram slides freely when there is no air applied to the gun. this is perfectly normal.it is a zero force ram.
i need you to recheck to see that the breach knob is turned the correct direction to lock the door as it sounds like it is in the opp. position. as long as the knob is secured tightly to the shaft and not loose the knob should get tighter when the breach is locked. if this isnt the case i needed to suggest this so dont be offended. i know you guys are smart but still need to ask.

have you gotten the replacement eye cover from your dealer or emailed frazer@wdp.tv to request the updated version. we only had 15 or less that went out before the new cover was avail. so it may have slipped by.

[KEN CRANE]

I sent Frazer an email on Tuesday but no replies yet.

we will let you know more on this tommorow. fraz is traveling to paris to the an event and we will speak tonight.

[KEN CRANE]

Ken, when Frazer replied to my e-mail about sending out a new eye cover there was no mention of sending out a new bolt. Do you know if they plan to release a new design bolt with slots or notches molded/milled into the side for the detents? The current bolt pushes the detents completely out of the body.

Also, any update as to the slow shooting problem? I still can't get the marker to shoot fast. Even if I hold the eye covers shut with my hand, it still only shoots 3 shots, then stops, then maybe shoots one or two, stops, etc. It tells me that a ball is not present, but there is a ball there without a doubt. If I shut the eyes off to shoot, then it becomes a blender.

after i speak to frazer i will get back to you. prob tommorow

[SD-G-force]

One issue I was having when I first aired it up to play was it sounded like there was gas leaking in the breech. So I opened the breech and it was coming from the hole in front of the hammer.....Not sure if it supposed to be like that but once i started shooting it seemed to have stoped. I have not aired it up for a second time. I am fairly new to angel but this is my second one. So maybe I did something wrong but any help or advice would be great.
hey that kind of sounds like the problem i had with my g7 fly. the valve was sticking

[moth99]

Ken mind to do the same for me. I am having almost the exact same problems as GTO with the eye ribbons, and detents being pushed out as the bolt slides in the gun. I was also getting the 3 shots then it would stop shooting but after I cleaned the eyes it seemed to be ok until I ran out of air so not sure if the gun is 100% fixed there. I emailed Frazer with my info but still haven't received any info on the eye straps if they are going to be shipped or anything about a new bolt ??

[JeffW]

Ken mind to do the same for me. I am having almost the exact same problems as GTO with the eye ribbons, and detents being pushed out as the bolt slides in the gun. I was also getting the 3 shots then it would stop shooting but after I cleaned the eyes it seemed to be ok until I ran out of air so not sure if the gun is 100% fixed there. I emailed Frazer with my info but still haven't received any info on the eye straps if they are going to be shipped or anything about a new bolt ??

Me too.

[mercui2y]

Thanks ken I will email frazer tonight, i made sure that the breach knob screw was on correct (screw should be lined up with hole on shaft) and then tightened it. But still moves very loose from closed to open with every round fired.

ok, bolt/ram slides freely when there is no air applied to the gun. this is perfectly normal.it is a zero force ram.
i need you to recheck to see that the breach knob is turned the correct direction to lock the door as it sounds like it is in the opp. position. as long as the knob is secured tightly to the shaft and not loose the knob should get tighter when the breach is locked. if this isnt the case i needed to suggest this so dont be offended. i know you guys are smart but still need to ask.

have you gotten the replacement eye cover from your dealer or emailed frazer@wdp.tv to request the updated version. we only had 15 or less that went out before the new cover was avail. so it may have slipped by.

[GTOnizuka]

Thanks again Ken! I will await your e-mail.

[BoB]

Me too.
Should be to you tomorrow.

[KnightWKNF]

Yea I have the eye/detent issue with mine as well. I emailed Frazer already hopefully I'll get the replacement before the 16th for the tournament my team is in. Ken if there is anyway to get these to me faster let me know.

[Ed Braunbeck]

Now I'm having problems with rapid firing. It will fire off 3-5 shots then stop. I wait a second or so and will then fire even though the eye icon says a ball isn't present. It worked fine while playing Saturday. Only thing I've done since then is lower dwell (6.5) and remove 4 shims. The eye covers don't seem to be moving. The grip frame and body have not been seperated so I didn't pinch any ribbons. Any ideas?

Ed

[moth99]

Yup so now thats 3 with the rapid fire problem. GTO, Ed, and I so now it seems that it isn't an eye ribbon problem, more like a software problem. Seems to have started after lowering my dwell and removing shims, but I don't see how that would be causing the issue. Same thing has happened to all the people who have noticed the problem. The gun worked fine for a day or two then all of a sudden it will fire 3 shots stop, 3 shots stop. I am out of air so I can't test this problem further, so Ed do you think you can try a few things like covering the eyes just incase outside light is getting through the gaps in straps or maybe doing a factory reset and seeing if the default setting work compared to the changed dwell and such? Also what mode were you using, I was using the ramp mode when I was getting this issue then after I cleaned my eyes the problem seemed a little better but like right after that I ran out of air so I have no idea if my problem is fixed at all. Best of luck and keep us posted.

[BoB]

Please try raising the dwell to 7 - 7.5 and give either Ken or myself a call with the results.

[Ed Braunbeck]

I set it back to 9 and it seemed to fire fine (PSP Mode). My tank only had 500 psi left so I was not able to shoot that much. A couple things to note:


I'm shooting Reballs, but they shot fine before the adjustments. Ken did mention that Reballs might need adjustments. I don't understand why though. They seem to weigh the same as a regular paintball and barrel/paint match is about the same.
My battery fluctuates between half to full charge.

I'll refill tank and resume testing tomorrow. Open for other suggestions. Does this qualify me for testing future markers? It doesn't hurt to ask.

Thanks,

Ed

[moth99]

I was thinking it may be with dwell but how would dwell affect the eyes? After the 3 shots the gun stops and acts like your hopper is empty and there is no ball in the breach. I kind of have a hunch that it may have to do with something blocking the eye sensor after a shot so that it registers bad eyes. Like dont have any air in the gun and turn it on then place your finger or a ball in the breach and press trigger it will fire with a click and don't remove your finger, then if the sensor is still blocked and it doesn't register the bolt go back and will show up with a bad eye icon on the OLED. So what I am thinking is that it usually takes 3-4 shots on average to allow a double feed which blocks the eye sensor after a shot and shows up as bad eyes which in affect stop the shots alltogether to protect the user from chopping any balls with bad eyes. So then you turn the gun off then on and it registers with a ball in the breach and allows you to shoot then when you start ripping the eye straps flex and after 3 or a little more shots the gun will double feed and start the process over again. When I was getting this problem I chopped a ball before this happened which may indicate the double feed and then got the bad eye icon after this happened. So overall I think that stronger eye straps to hold in the detents tighter may fix the problem. The other alternative may be a glitch in the programming of the board. Just my hypothesis and what I have experienced when i got this problem.

[Mr. Tapes]

For those of you with the faulty covers the eyes may be shifting around in their holes as well. That could cause it.

Also, I know it's supposed to come with some kind of UBER battery, but try changing the battery anyway.

[JeffW]

For those of you with the faulty covers the eyes may be shifting around in their holes as well. That could cause it.

Also, I know it's supposed to come with some kind of UBER battery, but try changing the battery anyway.

Thats what I'm thinking. Also, with the eye covers moving its allowing the detents to move and thats causing the double/triple feeding in my case. I just doesn't seem like the detents are strong enough. The fingers that protrude into the breech on mine are already bending forward.

[KnightWKNF]

Also, any update as to the slow shooting problem? I still can't get the marker to shoot fast. Even if I hold the eye covers shut with my hand, it still only shoots 3 shots, then stops, then maybe shoots one or two, stops, etc. It tells me that a ball is not present, but there is a ball there without a doubt. If I shut the eyes off to shoot, then it becomes a blender.


I am having the same issue as GTO. The gun will shoot a burst of balls and then say there is no ball but there is and if i wait a moment or to then the gun will shoot again but not as many as the first time then it just repeats it self again after I wait for a moment and then it will shoot a burst again.....And yes i do have it set at Semi Auto. I think its the faulty eye covers.

picture of the faulty eye cover:
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/sarahsebald/detail?.dir=.1df2re2&.dnm=ba15re2.jpg&.tok=phsYEJFB6jdEeP_C&.src=mail
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/sarahsebald/detail?.dir=.1df2re2&.dnm=4556re2.jpg&.tok=phsYEJFB6jdEgUa3&.src=mail

[KEN CRANE]

if you have not replaced the eye covers anything you try wont work. if your eye covers have arrived try what bob posted as we have done hours of testing on this.

dwell 7.0
mrof 25
shot filter 50%
loader speed 12
debounce 5

again dont waste any time if the eye covers have not been replaced.

i set up rages 7 guns tonight and bob and i came up with those settings. i shot almost 4 cases of cheap paint and it was awsome to see the potential of this gun. dave adams was with me (sankux) from horrow show and he will attest that in 4 cases of paint not one ball break.i was shooting paint that has been around in open bags for months.

[tgallo]

dwell 7.0
mrof 25
shot filter 50%
loader speed 12
debounce 5


you should sticky this to slow down the inevitable influx of "what are the best settings?" posts

[LIVETHE LIFEPB]

is the dwell setting 7 with removed shims or without?

[JeffW]

Without.

[KnightWKNF]

Ken any word from Frazer? I have not recived an email reply from him yet. If i can pay for faster shipping on the eye covers i will. I really need these by next sunday, the 16th. Let me know asap. Thanks

[Ed Braunbeck]

Back to testing. I upped the dwell to 7.5 and it shoots streams of paint. 6.5 continues to sputter and shoot about every 3 balls. Is the problem because the dwell so short and volume/pressure is too great for eye straps? Just speculating.

Ed

[NorwegianPlaya]

less dwell means that your marker is harder on the panitball, witch as you say would mean that it would be harder on your eye-strap... I think...

[moth99]

Dwell of 7 still had the 3 shot problem for me. It's really weird becuase if I pull the trigger like 1 bps then I can shoot each time but once I start to rip on the trigger the thing fires 3 or a little more then stops. Then when I look at the OLED it shows no ball present and then I get the symbol with the ball and line through it. This is the same thing if you were to turn your eyes on and stick your fingger down the feedneck to break the beam and fire. It will click like if the paintball was present but leave your finger in there. It will then show no paintball present and follow up with the ball with line through it. Oh yea and just some common sense, DON'T try that with air in the gun!

[BoB]

This is with the new strap?

[Ed Braunbeck]

I tried the following setting and they worked like a champ too. Maybe I don't have an eye strap problem????

dwell 7.0
mrof 25
shot filter 50%
loader speed 12
debounce 5

Ed

[BoB]

From our understanding of the situation only a small percentage of the makers that were mailed in the first batch have the eye strap issue. WDP is using the serial numbers to track the issue and batch. More information to follow.

[Ed Braunbeck]

Bob & Ken,

How did you decide on the 7.0 dwell setting as opposed to the original 6.0 to 6.5? Did these markers have the problem at those settings too?

Ed

[BoB]

Process of elimination as we were trouble shooting. Every marker is slightly different, for example some of the G7's would run at Dwell of 8 and some had to run at 9. We have found so far that the 7-8 worked the best at this stage.

[GTOnizuka]

This is with the new strap?


Hey Bob. I purchased my Angel One from you. I have yet to recieve my new eye cover strap. :(

I guess I will hope it arrives tomorrow. Otherwise...keep waiting I suppose....

[BoB]

Did you email Frazer? Did you get a response from Frazer?

[moth99]

OK guys I was able to fix the 3 shot then stop problem on my Angel 1 and now the only problem is that my gun shoots way too fast so hopefully the same will work for you. The fix is with adding the removed shims that you removed when Ken was trying to fix the efficiency problems. Add back those shims and maybe remove one, but I added them back in and dropped dwell to 7.5 to have better efficiency and now my gun just plain out rips. I think the problem has to do with operating pressure and maybe the free moving ram. Lower pressure and low dwell somehow block the eyes long enough and not allow them to see that the bolt has moved out of the way. The gun then doesn't see that a ball has dropped after a shot to make the gun think the eyes are bad or you have a stuck paintball in the breach and not let you fire the gun. So overall just add back some shims, like 2, then put dwell at 7 or 7.5 and see if that helps.

[GTOnizuka]

Did you email Frazer? Did you get a response from Frazer?


Yes and yes. No clue as to the ETA of the parts, however. =/

[Ed Braunbeck]

I removed a total of 4 shims and increased the dwell from 6.5 to 7. The problem is gone now. Since then, I adjust other settings to what Bob suggested:

dwell 7.0
mrof 25
shot filter 50%
loader speed 12
debounce 5

We'll see how she plays tomorrow.

Ed

[BoB]

Yes and yes. No clue as to the ETA of the parts, however. =/
I will call WDP on Monday and get a tracking number for you.

[JeffW]

My problem is fixed now also. I added back 2 shims and set the dwell to 8. Rolling in all modes.

[moth99]

Jeff you prob can try bringing dwell down to 7 or 7.5, may help air efficiency if its not better than stock, but glad to hear you got your problems fixed. Oh and Bob can you check with WDP for me also, I sent you my serial already and Ken and Frazer both have it just haven't receieved any word about the straps on their way or not.

[Mr. Tapes]

Well, if the dwell seems to be causing the problem try changing the loader speed, like in the gun. Maybe changing what the eyes are looking for will fix what seems to be a software conflict.

[moth99]

I was thinking that it may be a cycling pressure problem but using the settings that Ken posted as well as adding back 2 shims works great for me just haven't tested my air efficiency yet.

[JeffW]

Jeff you prob can try bringing dwell down to 7 or 7.5, may help air efficiency if its not better than stock, but glad to hear you got your problems fixed. Oh and Bob can you check with WDP for me also, I sent you my serial already and Ken and Frazer both have it just haven't receieved any word about the straps on their way or not.

I'm using the 8 dwell per Ken's suggestions. I'll try a lower dwell later.

[fixit]

my serial# is _____ should I be installing a new set of eye straps. I just picked up this gun & have not even aired it up yet.

post edited....thanks & will do

[moth99]

Hey Fixit just air up the gun and play with it a little bit and see if you notice double feeding our detent problems. Only a handfull were effected by the problematic eyestraps so theres a good chance yours are fine. Also you may want to edit your post and remove your serial so someone doesn't take your serial and try and get a free eyestrap out of it. If you do have problems then email one of the mastertechs and they can help you.

[jpasint]

Although I understand that each marker will be a little different, is it recommended to change to Ken’s settings right out of the box?
I also noticed something weird with the little blue plastic gadget on the front of the bolt. It seems to have twisted slightly. Anyone notice that on theirs? I’ll post a pic of it in a bit.

Thanks in advance.

Joe

[jpasint]

Here is a pic of the bolt issue I was talking about. All 3 "legs" seem to be twisted just a bit. Not sure if it is important or not.

Joe

[Destro]

Still having the 3 shot problem talked to ken yesterday. waiting

[Ed Braunbeck]

Destro,

Did you try raising the dwell to 7 -8 range? By the way, where you located at in OH? I'm in Pickerington/Columbus.

Ed

[Destro]

Yes I did tried that to no avail.dwell is at 7.5. Greenville probly about an hour away from you

[Middie002]

I was just wondering if anyone had pics of the organic LED screen?

[KEN CRANE]

Here is a pic of the bolt issue I was talking about. All 3 "legs" seem to be twisted just a bit. Not sure if it is important or not.

Joe


thats fine

[NorwegianPlaya]

why not look for it before you ask, the pics are everywere!

http://web.mac.com/jtrussell7/iWeb/John's%20Website/Angel%20One_files/IMG_1564.jpg

[KEN CRANE]

Dwell of 7 still had the 3 shot problem for me. It's really weird becuase if I pull the trigger like 1 bps then I can shoot each time but once I start to rip on the trigger the thing fires 3 or a little more then stops. Then when I look at the OLED it shows no ball present and then I get the symbol with the ball and line through it. This is the same thing if you were to turn your eyes on and stick your fingger down the feedneck to break the beam and fire. It will click like if the paintball was present but leave your finger in there. It will then show no paintball present and follow up with the ball with line through it. Oh yea and just some common sense, DON'T try that with air in the gun!


http://www.angelowners.com/showthread.php?p=521121#post521121

[GTOnizuka]

Just updated! I don't want to test fire the marker until I get the replacement eye covers though.

[akpaintballer13]

I fixed the 3 ball problem with my angel with the new settings. I am now having fsdo, what is the easiest way to fix it. I am using setting 2.

[KEN CRANE]

I fixed the 3 ball problem with my angel with the new settings. I am now having fsdo, what is the easiest way to fix it. I am using setting 2.


set the lpr to 55 and raise the dwell .5

[Destro]

ok did the flash everything worked great. lpr at 60 psi dwell at 6.5 fill of 2200psi got 4 pods and a hopper before runnig out of air.

[GTOnizuka]

ok did the flash everything worked great. lpr at 60 psi dwell at 6.5 fill of 2200psi got 4 pods and a hopper before runnig out of air.


Ohh WOW, thats better than my G7 Fly. Damn!

[Destro]

was very impressed. lowered the lpr down to 55 psi but haven't hada chance to use it afterwards

[for2nato]

4 pods and a hopper doesnt seem like alot. i get about 6 pods and 2 hoppers out of 2200psi with my g7. i just played yesterday and was able to run 2 games in a row and still have air in my tank. 68\3000 8 dwell lpr @ 60

[fixit]

yone expierence "double shooting" or have problems with the eyes reading the paint? I was shooting reball today but my friend put a new battery in and it seemed to work fine afterwards. I switched batteries and nothing changed. I also swap hoppers-one w/ V35 and another with a cheetah-Same results as before.

[cobramamba]

My LED screen went out. The gun still shoots ,but has black screen.
I replaced the battery and the next game I played I noticed that the screen was all scrambled and unreadable so I turned it off and back on and the screen stayed black. After fumbling around turning it off and on again it did come back on , but when the gun was fired screen scrambled up again. Now it is just black.

[moth99]

Seems like something may have screwed up if you flashed the gun with the USB, so try and reflash it or flash it to the 1.5 if you haven't done that already.

[cobramamba]

I havn't flashed it or messed with anything. I'm just wondering if this has only happened to me?

[LegacyOfPB]

Edit: Received my part now

[AALP]

Ok

We had two Angel 1's at the Millennium event in Paris.

The problems we had were as follows:
1. 3 shots and stop for 1 sec and then 3 shots again
2. We could not get them to ramp in Millennium mode, thank god Frazer was there, he confirmed the Millennium mode had a problem and set it to custom mode with hard ramp, start delay 4, kick in 8, drop off 4, dwell 7, mrof 15 with eyes onand off. After these settings one of the markers did ramp, but it did not last long, now it is again "not ramping" only working like semi, the second maarker never ramped and has this 3 shot and stop problem
3. Tournament lock does not work
4. We didn't have problems with the eye covers but Frazer replaced them anyway.
5. Marker goes to safe mode during the game because one presses it unintentionally during the game, I think we need a lock for that as well, unfortunately this happened in both the games we used the marker :(

The problem may be from the board or the eyes. I believe they are due to the eyes since if it were a software issue, then both markers would have the same problem, but in our case 2 markers had different problems with the same settings. we tried with two different kinds of paint (hellfire and chronic 420), two different loaders (reloader B and egg2).

Also even when you're sure there is paint in the breech, sometimes the screen shows as no paint

[GTOnizuka]

Has anyone been able to get their A1 to "ramp"? I can't seem to get it to shoot much faster than about 15bps or so.

[JeffW]

Has anyone been able to get their A1 to "ramp"? I can't seem to get it to shoot much faster than about 15bps or so.

Hey GTO, have you updated to 1.7? If so, what does it do and does it change the ramping (PSP) any.

[GTOnizuka]

Hey GTO, have you updated to 1.7? If so, what does it do and does it change the ramping (PSP) any.


Yes. I've updated to 1.7. I can't tell what it changed, other than preventing accidental turn off of the marker. I've used the posted settings, I've adjusted the trigger countless times.

My Vlocity is on the fastest setting also. It still shoots slow. At least it dosen't do the 3 shot/stop thing anymore. *shrugs*

[JeffW]

Bob has mine right now. I'm letting him set up since I've hit a brick wall with mine.

[Krazy American]

Just thought this was kind of wierd. I took apart my LPR to do what everyone has been saying to do by taking out some of the shims. But there were only 2 in there to begin with. My efficiency isnt the best so im not sure what i should do to help it out. Any help would be appreciated.

[Trigga Nometry]

Just thought this was kind of wierd. I took apart my LPR to do what everyone has been saying to do by taking out some of the shims. But there were only 2 in there to begin with. My efficiency isnt the best so im not sure what i should do to help it out. Any help would be appreciated.Just in case you haven't checked, are you sure there are only two shims? Sometimes they want to stick together and you could have several stuck together. Try rubbing the shims between you finger and thumb to see if they separate. You might find you have more than two.

[Mr. Tapes]

Yeah, they are paper thin. Make sure you aren't holding those tri-active springs. The shims should look like a plain washer, only again...paper thing.

[Krazy American]

Yeah I know, im pretty sure there was only 2 but ill check again....Also this is my first time owning an angel, so where and what do I get to check the pressure in the LPR?

[KnightWKNF]

All I have to say is this gun rips. Played a tournament and we sucked it up but the gun was killer however before the day was over i some how managed to break one of the fingers of the detents and the gun still ripped....one finger still held the ball in the chamber and i only broke once. Only problem now is where can i buy more detents.

HaHa I just noticed FMA has 'em. Ordering now!!

[Mr. Tapes]

My one problem...

The detents. They suck. I've put less than 500 balls through it and already the right side detent has sheared off. No other problems. But the fact that the gun barely made it through 1/4 of a case and I am out a detent, and 1 just ain't cuttin' it really sorta torques me.

Can I get new ones? If so where? Is there anyway that this could be a free replacement since it happened so soon? If I have to pay, I suppose that's fine but how would I go about getting them.

[Thre3D]

On of my teammates used Ego 05 detends over the original ones. No it works better. But new detends seem to be on the way...