Intellifeed Angel One?

[Magnum PI]

Will the "One" have the ability for intellifeed with stock board?

[BAKERmancan]

who cares LOL ....i guess it's a good concept...but with the speed of modern day loaders why does the gun have to be in sync with it like intelifeed does ?

the halo's have eyes...empire's sound activated...and the new V-locity loader is supposed to be faster than both of the other ones (with stock board)

so i think intelifeed was only needed for older models with no eyes....but who knows im sure there will be a mod out for it...anything is possible with the supply of parts out there

[basketballer862]

he probly cares so he doesnt have to buy a new halo because his old one was an intellifeed

[n1a1t1h1a1n1]

what was the thing on facefull about bluetooth intellifeed?

[tgallo]

what was the thing on facefull about bluetooth intellifeed?

http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=57038

just discussed the technical possibilities and ramifications

[RevBubba]

who cares LOL ....i guess it's a good concept...but with the speed of modern day loaders why does the gun have to be in sync with it like intelifeed does ?

the halo's have eyes...empire's sound activated...and the new V-locity loader is supposed to be faster than both of the other ones (with stock board)

so i think intelifeed was only needed for older models with no eyes....but who knows im sure there will be a mod out for it...anything is possible with the supply of parts out there

I guess you have never shot an Intellifeed Halo V35 or ReloaderB.

You have NEVER shot anything faster. Check out some of the vids on Angel Owners and you will see.

[basketballer862]

I guess you have never shot an Intellifeed Halo V35 or ReloaderB.

You have NEVER shot anything faster. Check out some of the vids on Angel Owners and you will see.

ive shot an intellifeed angel g7 before. that thing ripped

[BAKERmancan]

yeah but a G7 with a regular halo rips fine

[basketballer862]

yeah but a G7 with a regular halo rips fine
ya but its nothing compared to the intelli

[GTOnizuka]

Intellifeed is nothing special. Back in the day it was important, but modern loaders have long made it extinct.

[BAKERmancan]

i strongly agree with GTO....

and as stated above how intelli v35 rips...


its not the intelli that makes it rip...its the v35 board...intelli by itself is useless....a regular v35 does 35; no need for intelli...

the sound activated ones (reloader b w/35) respond JUST as fast as intelli

and regular halo w/35 responds like 1ms behind cuz it has an eye and a ball has to drop past the eye to activate the motor to spin....but since it has constant spring tension anyway the ball drops super fast as soon as you shoot and the eye detects it immidiately...

intellifeed = extict ( or at least it should be )

you could easily recreate those intelli videos with a regular v35 halo

[Mavrick]

I beg to differ on that opinion. Not unless you are using an Angry or Cheetah board do you get the ramped feed that is necessary to maintain high rates and then just stop. Restart again and go to max ROF.
Listen, I have done my share of research on this subject. I understand fully what is going on with the electronics and the logic behind it. I got some pretty sick mods done to my loaders and they ALL use intellifeed. Nothing will give you the true sync ROF better than the intellifeed period. It does not matter how fast you are because it will keep up with you to the limits of the marker true ROF. That is determined by physics alone. Anyone that tells you they can out shoot an intellifeed marker is full of it. Dry fire and ball firing are two totally different things.

[GMG Force Fly]

My intellifeed feeds much faster and more consistant then just my V35 board.

[Trigga Nometry]

iintellifeed = extictEXTINCT is the English Dictionary or at least spell check lol. Just kidding...

But seriously, are saying that a sound wave (which is what the Reloader responds too) is faster than an electron moving through a wire (Intellifeed)?

EDIT: Sound travels in air, at sea-level, with a temperature of 20 Degrees C, at 0.213 miles per second.

Electricity travels at the speed of light (about 186,200 Miles per SECOND).

[Magnum PI]

I completely agree with you trig, and like you said, it would also be faster than waiting for a break beam to be broken. I know the spring tension will keep it going, yada yada yada. But seriously, direct feed rate to the trigger pull can not be beaten, regardless of how fast your board is, you need it to spin exactly to your trigger pull. That is why it would be nice to see this on the stock "One" board...

[Trigga Nometry]

I completely agree with you trig, and like you said, it would also be faster than waiting for a break beam to be broken. I know the spring tension will keep it going, yada yada yada. But seriously, direct feed rate to the trigger pull can not be beaten, regardless of how fast your board is, you need it to spin exactly to your trigger pull. That is why it would be nice to see this on the stock "One" board...I guess we'll have to wait for the official word from the MTs as to if the board will have Intellifeed.

Don't get me wrong, I freaking love the MT Intellifeed on my G7 Fly but the new Angel One has me so jazzed that it wouldn't bother me if it wasn't intellifeed-ready lol.

[Mavrick]

Hey Trigg your 100% right on target! The Intellifeed has a 2 ms (millisecond) response time from trigger pull. Um sound is sooooo slow! And eyes are about 7 to 8 ms feedback.

One millisecond is one-thousandth of a second.

1.0 milliseconds – cycle time for frequency 1 kHz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_E3_Hz)
1 ms – duration of light for typical photo flash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_%28photo%29) strobe
1 ms – repetition interval of GPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System) C/A PN code
1.000692286 ms – time taken for light to travel 300 km in a vacuum
2 ms – half life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_life) of hassium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassium)-265
2.27 ms – cycle time for the A above middle C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_C) in music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music) (440 Hz). If a tuning device for musical instruments generates just one tone, it is probably this tone.
3 ms – a housefly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housefly)’s wing flap
3.4 ms – half life of meitnerium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meitnerium)-266
5 ms – a honeybee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeybee)’s wing flap
8 ms – camera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera) shutter speed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutter_speed) at setting 125
9 ms – typical maximum seek time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seek_time) for a 7200rpm hard disk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk)
blink of an eye ~ 50 to 80 ms

[Trigga Nometry]

Cool info Mav!

Of course you forgot:

0.005ms - the time for my wife to realize that I just dropped $1200 on another Angel lol

[GMG Force Fly]

Cool info Mav!

Of course you forgot:

0.005ms - the time for my wife to realize that I just dropped $1200 on another Angel lol
LMAO lol That is a good one trigg.

Don't forget .5 sec to get a hand across the face.lol

[boostmonkey]

Reality check:

An eye based loader feeds at the end of the gun's firing sequence. An intellifeed hopper feeds at the beginning of the sequence.
Firing sequence of an open bolt marker like an angel:

trigger pull
14-way activation
bolt moves forward
valve opens, gun fires
bolt moves rearward
bottom ball in stack drops into chamber
THEN the ballstack moves
the halo sees the movement and activates
now the gun is ready to fire again

An intellifeed hopper activates at the beginning of the cycle with the 14-way. An eye based hopper will not activate until the end of the cycle.

If your gun can fire at 25 actual bps, the time for each firing cycle is 40 milliseconds. An I-halo will recieve the first signal to activate 40 ms before an eye based halo.

Reality check #2

"reloader b w/35"

WTF are you talking about? You cannot use a V35 board with a Reloader. Trust me, I own one. Have you ever actually seen a paintball gun?


i strongly agree with GTO....

and as stated above how intelli v35 rips...


its not the intelli that makes it rip...its the v35 board...intelli by itself is useless....a regular v35 does 35; no need for intelli...

the sound activated ones (reloader b w/35) respond JUST as fast as intelli

and regular halo w/35 responds like 1ms behind cuz it has an eye and a ball has to drop past the eye to activate the motor to spin....but since it has constant spring tension anyway the ball drops super fast as soon as you shoot and the eye detects it immidiately...

intellifeed = extict ( or at least it should be )

you could easily recreate those intelli videos with a regular v35 halo

[boostmonkey]

its not the intelli that makes it rip...its the v35 board...intelli by itself is useless....a regular v35 does 35; no need for intelli...

While we are at it...

Reality check #3

Anyone who's head isn't full of cotton knows that a Victory board cannot shoot at anywhere near 35 bps. It has been well documented (Halo Report, Warpig, ETC) that even a Victoried Halo can only consistently feed in the teens. Drop tests and burst rate can hit upper 20s.

[Dreadwolfe]

Trigg is lucky, it takes mine .2 seconds for the slap across the face!

LMAO lol That is a good one trigg.

Don't forget .5 sec to get a hand across the face.lol

Hey Trigg, is that the STD on your Fly? If so, how do you like it?

[Trigga Nometry]

Hey Trigg, is that the STD on your Fly? If so, how do you like it?That is a AKA Angel LPR, not the JSD STD version. Works really nice. I'll be posting a review very soon.

[RevBubba]

i strongly agree with GTO....

and as stated above how intelli v35 rips...


its not the intelli that makes it rip...its the v35 board...intelli by itself is useless....a regular v35 does 35; no need for intelli...

the sound activated ones (reloader b w/35) respond JUST as fast as intelli

and regular halo w/35 responds like 1ms behind cuz it has an eye and a ball has to drop past the eye to activate the motor to spin....but since it has constant spring tension anyway the ball drops super fast as soon as you shoot and the eye detects it immidiately...

intellifeed = extict ( or at least it should be )

you could easily recreate those intelli videos with a regular v35 halo


You ovbviously have ZERO idea of what you are talkig about. Until you have at least used an Intellifeed on a Halo or a Relaoder then you should please refrain from sounding off. Your comments are based on the first Revy Intellifeeds and have nothing to due with later models.

[RevBubba]

That is a AKA Angel LPR, not the JSD STD version. Works really nice. I'll be posting a review very soon.

Wow the AKA version looks EXACTLY like the STD version I hav on my Force Fly. I noticed you even have the Bart Parts cap for the LPR.

I didn't even know that AKA was making an SCM 3 for the WDP line of markers...when did you get this?

The STD JDS LPr is an very nice pice of kit. Very consistent and I have been very please with it. I look forward to your review of the AKA version.

[BAKERmancan]

basically no I do know that sound does not travel as fast...but the sound source is only about 5 inches away from tjhe sound receiver...so in is nearly instantaneous...barely a fraction behind...so no big deal


nobody can outshoot a v35 in semi auto anyway so who cares if you can shoot a sustained ROF of 30 in rebound/ramp or whatever with intelli...it aint tourney legal so no use of it...especially for me

[Mavrick]

nobody can outshoot a v35 in semi auto anyway so who cares if you can shoot a sustained ROF of 30 in rebound/ramp or whatever with intelli...it aint tourney legal so no use of it...especially for me

The point is that it has nothing to do with max ROF. Intellifeed is to keep a steady, perfectly timed supply of paint with no hiccups or chops. Eyes or sound are by no means perfect. Intellifeed is synchronizing the trigger pull to motor pulse. In a tourney ether of the for mentioned will most likely be your demise!

[NorwegianPlaya]

I would like HALO-intellifeed for my Angel 1!
The hopper is allways slowing angels down, so to go really fast, I would like to order an intellifeed for my long awaited ONE asap. :)

:hi:

[mlynch]

Well not that this is my area of expertise or anything but i have an opinion... there is no point in shooting faster than 15 bps in reality... it has been deemed unsafe so most rec fields and all tourneys have a strict limit. anything more is showoff potential.

and Trigga As well nothing moving through a wire is moving anywhere close to the speed of light btw unless it is fiber optic (not moving through a wire at all actually moving through glass) not that that really makes any difference anyway... so really in my opinion the difference is about nill certainly nothing that a human can physically detect. especialy when the entire cycle of a shot is 40 mil whats the difference in 1 mill here or there after you are sustaining 15 balls a second it does not matter one bit now does it? human reflexes are nowhere near fast enough to even consider a 1 or 2 ms differnce... blink of an eye was how many again?

my slightly modified reloader will sustain 15 bps no problem and thats all anyone needs in fact its more than anyone needs. in my opinion i could give up 5 bps on most players out there and have no problem competing. but that is a diff discusion all together

so is intelli dead? the answer is for any purpose other than showing off... its functionally dead and not worth spending the extra money on.

[NorwegianPlaya]

The point is that it has nothing to do with max ROF. Intellifeed is to keep a steady, perfectly timed supply of paint with no hiccups or chops.

...

The reloader B makes a pretty good steady supply, but intellifeed is even better...
So u see, it's not about max rate of fire.. its the godlike paintsupply to your marker that makes the diffrence, though I must say that a std Reloader isnt bad either.

[mlynch]

maybe i should have made my point more simple... once your acheiving the max rate of fire allowed (15 bps) steady. ok is everyone following?

whats the difference between an intelli and a reloader b assuming they can both feed steady at 15 bps and we all know they are both capable of that.

the answer is nothing neither one is any better and nobody could tell the difference... but apparently the intelli starts faster so in theory allowing you to get to speed (15bps) what a couple milliseconds faster? well thats the only argument so far... and really is a useless argument!

so this leads us to the intelli feeds strengths

ok so maybe the inteli feed is a bit less volatile when you are talking speeds(rof's) that are stretching the loaders limit mid 20's where a non intelifeed hopper would have some variation in its speed. but this is effectivly a moot point as these are unsafe rof's anyway so its just a showoff upgrade... but there is a lot of that in paintball so whatever floats your boat...

but my point is your inteli feed is not going to give you any (functional) advantage over my reloader b except maybe you can run a little faster because your wallet is lighter!

[NorwegianPlaya]

hehe.. I agree, and the point about giving 15bps fastest is a bunch of bullcrap, since there's allready presure on the balls inn the feedingtube.

but in the end, I find intellifeed more reliable of giving me what i want..

Reloader is one thing, but Halos dont act the same way, and you cant hold 15bps without outshooting it.

[NATERATER]

but my point is your inteli feed is not going to give you any (functional) advantage over my reloader b except maybe you can run a little faster because your wallet is lighter!
The cost's for my intellifeed were $30, and well worth it. If you have ever shot an Angel w/ Intelli you would understand why it's so sought after.............Nate

[mlynch]

i have 3 angels btw and have had my hands on plenty of intelifeed angels.

and in general intelifeed setups are more expensive... $69.95 and up plus shipping is what the master techs charge to install and thats if you dont have to mill for the plug (unless that is included in the 69.95?) or decide to buy a tadao board. but i guess as far as modifications go 70 bucks isnt much in the world of paintball.

1 case of high grade paint
1 mask
2 asa's
2 trigger's
1/2 evolve kit
2/3 of a hopper
2 tank covers
2 feednecks

anyway i guess everyone gets the idea so if you have 70 bucks to burn plus 15 shipping plus time away from your gun as most people cant drill for the plug for a somewhat useless upgrade (btw when i watch tournies and see the wdp sponsored teams joy, old arsenal,... so on they dont make it a point to have intelli on their guns) anyway just a thought i am burnt out on this subject now

[RevBubba]

Well not that this is my area of expertise or anything but i have an opinion...

So you have NEVER shot an Intellifeed Halo or Reloader?

It is not about top speed...it is about feel during fire and the lack of hopper lag. Again since you have no actual experience I guess you could not understand what those of us who have used them mean and why we are hopeful to be able to use them on the Angel 1.

Well you know the old statement about opinions.... and uninformed opinions are called ignorance. I am not calling names...just pointing out the obvious.

But since everyone is free to an opinion and a voice I thank you for yours.

[crownsk8er]

trig, not to pry. but how do you evplain a 1200 charge everytime a new angel comes out to the wife? lol

[mlynch]

So you have NEVER shot an Intellifeed Halo or Reloader?

It is not about top speed...it is about feel during fire and the lack of hopper lag. Again since you have no actual experience I guess you could not understand what those of us who have used them mean and why we are hopeful to be able to use them on the Angel 1.

Well you know the old statement about opinions.... and uninformed opinions are called ignorance. I am not calling names...just pointing out the obvious.

But since everyone is free to an opinion and a voice I thank you for yours.


well you not only misquoted me but you completly screwed up translating what i meant by i am not an expert... you must work for a newspaper. good job

well news flash your not an expert... no one except master techs and the like are.
another news flash i have used intelli feed angels and you would know that if you read my posts

so can anyone physically detect 1 or 2 millisecond lag? well its a rhetorical question no you cant but apparently bubba can... so again no point in intellifeed when you are capped at 15 bps... i have a good comparison a paintball takes how long to hit an opponent? 1/2 second 1 second 2 seconds? well thats between 500 and 2000 milliseconds give or take depending where the opponent is on the field. so what difference in actuall performance is that 1 ms lag making bubba. oh here is another good one avg human reaction time is between 400 and 1000 ms in a calm situation and 36 percent more under stress (ie paintball) so tack that on to how long it takes your paintball to reach a target. Now tell me again about my hoppers 1 ms "lag"!

i will leave you with a picture of joy and their angels this season they seem to have opted to go without intelli hmmm they used to have it on their a4's i wonder what happened

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/paintbalesf/Paintball/DSC02173.jpg

[NorwegianPlaya]

we are all stash-whores! that's it...

why do I buy 150dollar sunglases when i only need some cheap ones? because it looks good... o_0

Intellifeed isn't important, but it makes a much better paint flow than a Halo (not sure about the reloader though, cuss they are pretty good), and it looks good..

[-XF-PEZ]

unfortunately looking at the board I do not see a place for intellifeed (no plug)

[NATERATER]

Well not that this is my area of expertise or anything but i have an opinion... there is no point in shooting faster than 15 bps in reality... it has been deemed unsafe so most rec fields and all tourneys have a strict limit.
Last time I checked, the NPPL doesn't have a BPS cap............YET. So there is a reason some players want to shoot faster than 15 BPS because they are allowed too. I'm not trying to fire you up, really, but that was the reason you thought it was a useless upgrade. But now, it is you opinion that the "70 buck's to burn plus the 15 for shipping plus the time away...........for a useless upgrade." It look's as though you are not so sure WHY you are against the Intelli Mod. Don't worry, it's ok, the intelli wont' bite you, it'll just make you and your gun all warm and fuzzy inside..

[mlynch]

ha... noted naterater! for 70 bucks its not the worst mistake ever!
But i think i am perfectly happy staying within the 15 bps range because anything more is really just kinda well nuts and i have to agree it is a bit unsafe getting pegged that many times in a row and not conducive to a fun game... plus there is always the fact that you will have to pull a pob much sooner than i will to feed your 25 plus ball per second paint monster!

[NATERATER]

Well, it's water under the bridge or paint down the barrel. Whatever makes you sleep at night. Obviously the intellifeed concept is lost on you. By the number of your post's, I suspect you are just trying to create a PBN thing here on the wonderful pages of AOG. Therefore, I will not contribute to this fodder anymore.....Nate

[mlynch]

this is a debate not one giant flame :cheers: like on pbn as well i stick to facts and have intelligent arguments

its something we do here in the land of the :patriot: free or something like that

but lets stick to the subject A1 and intelli

[Trigga Nometry]

trig, not to pry. but how do you evplain a 1200 charge everytime a new angel comes out to the wife? lolOh that is an easy one. I explain that it is me that went to school full time to get my BS while at the same worked full time and then did the same to get my masters. Then I show he the paycheck that pays for just about everything we have lol.

Besides, she knows paintball makes me real happy and even though she doesn't play, she's cool with that :cheers:

[Trigga Nometry]

unfortunately looking at the board I do not see a place for intellifeed (no plug)Yeah, me either. There is no mention of it in the manual either. While I love the MT Intellifeed on my Fly, not a big deal for me not to have it in the Angel 1.

It will be nice to be able to flash our own software upgrades though! Wow, that is nice!

[ac68886]

You should keep in mind that USB is a bi-directional port. If that's the case, and someone can figure out the software...

I think you guys can figure out the rest. Well, at least I hope so...:notsure:

[NorwegianPlaya]

It will be nice to be able to flash our own software upgrades though! Wow, that is nice!

I agree. I have a Racegun and I hope this workes about the same way, but I dont think it will though, and its really no problem because of the OLED. The USB is probably just to install new firmware, and not to set your gun like you want it.

Anyways, to set up a racegun you will have to time it through a program on your computer.

btw:
I REALLY like the look of the A1!! :bouncer:

[Trigga Nometry]

IThe USB is probably just to install new firmware, and not to set your gun like you want it.Yes, that is what I was thinking. Kinda like when WDP or the MTs upgrade the software on the current Angels. If you want the latest software version, you send them the board and they "flash" it into the board. But with this new version, we'll be able to do this ourselves without bothering the MT's or having to wait or spend the money of sending out the board.

Sounds a good move in the right direction to me.

[NorwegianPlaya]

Jeah, I had the speed 05 last season and played the millennium series.
now, first there was the stupid eye-problem, then in Germany we needed the PSP ramping, then in the last leggs of the millennium series we needed the special millennium-ramp... since we couldn't flash the cards our selves, we had to send them like all the time..
GO USB! :)

[MVpaintball]

to the original question- Their is a intellifed plug on the back plate(at least on the WDP.tv pics), so their might still be hope yet

Maximus still used intellifed on his gun...

Intellifed is a AWESOME feed system, I have yet to use something as reliable or as stupidly fast. It was needed back in the day(used to use my buddies intellifed revolution LCD) and just makes todays guns incredible(briefly shot a intellifed halo g7, WOW). Is it unnecessary to shoot that much paint? ie. 25BPS, yes. But that really is the last thought in your mind when you actually are shooting that fast.

(edit- Im glad somebody called out that guy who said you can put a V35 in a reloaderb)

[NorwegianPlaya]

to the original question- Their is a intellifed plug on the back plate(at least on the WDP.tv pics), so their might still be hope yet


I only see umbraco-screws :notsure:

http://www.wdp.tv/angel1/lo/001.jpg

[MVpaintball]

well idk what its really called(its been too long since Ive owned an angel:cryer: ), but the plug/screw where the intellifed always used to go, on the part behind the breech, on top. You can see it in that pic. Thats all Im talking about

IDK, just wishfull thinking i guess

edit-off topic-with all the spares they are going to sell, I hope they come out with smaller barrel backs

[Trigga Nometry]

There is no standard Intellifeed port (HOP) on the Angel One board. That we know for sure.

[GMG Force Fly]

They do have a ICD2 port. It is normally used to program the PIC, PGD and PGC double as I/O pins. It is possible.