aftermarket Angel Ones

[tgallo]

Post any news or rumours of aftermarket Ones here.

[warpedx]

I'd love to see a rage gun. They did increase the sponsorship, and with the arsenal model out of the way, it's a possibility.
The Joy's have always looked nice as well, I hope they keep it up.

[paintreliever]

i think we will see a rage one
rage will probly be the main wdp team pretty soon so there will be no reason not to produce one

[basketballer862]

i personally like shocktech guns so that would be cool to see a shocktech one of that.

[BAKERmancan]

I don't believe they have ever made a shocktech angel and I dont' think they ever will.

However...they WILL produce a FLY model as I'm sure you have seen with the previous G7 and A4.

They better keep that RASTA fade going to so i can get one to match my G7 FLY :cheers:

[basketballer862]

ya i dont think there has ever been a shocktech angel but i still like the look of the other shocktech guns

[Devs]

ya i dont think there has ever been a shocktech angel but i still like the look of the other shocktech guns
I personally think the ST guns are hideous... Especially the SMs.

I hope a Rage gun comes out. I'm pissed Arsenal left, and I need an american WDP team to follow. :)

[wdpballa4life]

im gonna buy the joy one with a 90 when it comes out:hitit:, kinnda gay it only comes in 45 right now :angry: :angry: :angry:

[n1a1t1h1a1n1]

hope theres a dark One i love warped sports they served the G7 well with the avalance

[BAKERmancan]

I must agree with DEVS on that one...Shocktect guns are hideous...especially the DM5 and timmy...

And yeah like balla said they should have 90 frame upon release like with other models.... was forced to get my RASTA gun in 45 which is tolerable but not preffered..... hell ..now G7's are already no longer made....seems like only yesterday they released the G7 fly....

[RevBubba]

Well I can't see how there could be much difference in milling as there seems to be almost no aluminum left.

I am sure annodizing will vary as well as barrel and feedneck choices...but then again not sure that the new Angel needs aftermarket anything by the looks and the list of details.

[WDP_Victory_MC]

Obviously there will not be a cobra. There will prob be a dark, Rage, Fly, and JD maybe even a force...prob not a speed since it is already a LED.

[n1a1t1h1a1n1]

instead of upgradeing parts they could upgrade materials...titanium i want a titanium gun so bad

[TheGurkha]

Fly? Id be supprised if they manage a Fly version, exactly WHERE on the marker can they mill off?? its already the lightest marker out!!

[Paladin]

I want to see a MT Force One

[JTp8ntballer12]

Fly? Id be supprised if they manage a Fly version, exactly WHERE on the marker can they mill off?? its already the lightest marker out!!
a titanium gun would be extremely heavy.

[Toll]

I'm not too suprised they don't have a 90 Frame on it at launch. The main hook they are selling it as is being shorter and lighter than an ego...So throwing on a 90 frame adds a bit of height.

[John Rambo]

how about a gun that is all carbon fiber. They could make it look like the stiffi mamba switch kit. That would be retardedly light.

[tgallo]

I'm not too suprised they don't have a 90 Frame on it at launch. The main hook they are selling it as is being shorter and lighter than an ego...So throwing on a 90 frame adds a bit of height.

A. they never claimed it was shorter heightwise..only lenghtwise
B. the 90 adds about an 1/8th of an inch or so
C. it probably add no extra weight....pretty much the same amount of material configured differently...just swing the 45 down

[Toll]

Eh, you're probably right.

*rummages for sales figures*

[NVE]

ive heard that that 90's where not going to be released due to declining sales and increased sales of the 45's. no longer worth it to mill out a product that isnt gonna make that profit margines.

[SD-G-force]

Fly? Id be supprised if they manage a Fly version, exactly WHERE on the marker can they mill off?? its already the lightest marker out!!
actually the sl66 is....

[plum]

yea, id like to see a MT force one too. the olive to dust really looks like the JD colors =P

[xxmjumpman23xx]

ive heard that that 90's where not going to be released due to declining sales and increased sales of the 45's. no longer worth it to mill out a product that isnt gonna make that profit margines.

you are right, all of you who are planning on getting 90's WDP has no plans to make them

[mmmmmSteak]

will there be any aftermarkt 90 grip frames?

[xxmjumpman23xx]

will there be any aftermarkt 90 grip frames?
doubt it

[KaosMonkey]

doubt it

But I love the 90's!
:goes to sulk in the corner:

[xxmjumpman23xx]

ya problem is on the even since WDP released both 45's and 90's, 80% of the sales have been 45's

[JackalVR6]

actually the sl66 is....

are you sure about that

[Bleda]

are you sure about that

By company released numbers it supposedly lighter, then again god know what they do and don't include for their weights. With the amount of grams we are talking about which type of 9v they are using could mean the difference between which one is lighter....

[TNS2k2]

sorry, i found this thread getting a little clustered about grip frames so i started a new one with the info i found from Owen.

[plum]

i changed my mind, id like to see a special edition A1 with a 90 frame haha boo to profit driven companies

[tgallo]

profit driven companies

the point of companies is to profit

do you work for free?

[plum]

i said it as a joke, i work for a pharma company i know how companies are driven =)

[tgallo]

oh..gotcha

[KaosMonkey]

i said it as a joke, i work for a pharma company i know how companies are driven =)

Yeah amen! I'm workin' for Pfizer, it's a new treat everyday!

[apellon]

back to topic.. Rage A1 soon....

[tgaffner]

a titanium gun would be extremely heavy.

......:puzzled:

[Blister]

a titanium gun would be extremely heavy.

Uhm, no? Titanium is lighter than Aluminum and stronger to boot. Learn metallurgy before you post drivel.

[KaosMonkey]

Uhm, no? Titanium is lighter than Aluminum and stronger to boot. Learn metallurgy before you post drivel.

http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele022.html

Hmm.....60% HEAVIER than aluminum.....:evilgrin:

[aerotcus]

ouch

[i luv me angel]

http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele022.html

Hmm.....60% HEAVIER than aluminum.....:evilgrin:
yes it is heaver but it is very strong so you could make it very then and it would be stronger but not be as light as aluminum but it would be lighter than steel tho, haha and i am 14

[kayn_OS]

I just want a new Force A1. The Force 4 was freaking amazing. I would pick one up for sure.

[RTK_D]

if they did some sort of titanium alloy gun it would be cool but it would still be heavyer than what were used to. a lot heavier

[KaosMonkey]

yes it is heaver but it is very strong so you could make it very then and it would be stronger but not be as light as aluminum but it would be lighter than steel tho, haha and i am 14

HaHa :yawn:

Very true Young-one, the only intention of my statement was to clear up the lighter than Aluminum myth. Yes you could mill the Titanium much thinner than the Aluminum, thus potentially creating an overall lighter gun. Yet the cost of Titanium, plus the milling cost....... Ouch! An all Titanium gun would be very nice, but VERY expensive. And don't forget if you mill Titanium too far it can break, Titanium is very flexable for a metal, but can still break as any other hardened metal. Only the softer metals bend after their flex point, the harder metals break after their flex point.

[F=ma]

HaHa :yawn:

Very true Young-one, the only intention of my statement was to clear up the lighter than Aluminum myth. Yes you could mill the Titanium much thinner than the Aluminum, thus potentially creating an overall lighter gun. Yet the cost of Titanium, plus the milling cost....... Ouch! An all Titanium gun would be very nice, but VERY expensive. And don't forget if you mill Titanium too far it can break, Titanium is very flexable for a metal, but can still break as any other hardened metal. Only the softer metals bend after their flex point, the harder metals break after their flex point.

Well its misleading to say that it's heavier by volume. Engineers don't design the shape and wall thickness of an object THEN pick the material. That's designing with volume as your #1 priority and material 2nd. I can't think of any instance where that is true.

It just makes sense to know what material you are working with THEN make wall thicknesses and volumes as necessary to support required design loads and stresses. And even if you have several material considerations you'd make a different design for each material, don't you think?

So sure Titanium is heavier than Aluminum by volume, but would you ever use as much Titanium as you would Aluminum if you were designing with strength/weight ratio's in mind? Doubtful, because its much stronger.

So I think the immediate assumption that a titanium gun would be heavier than an aluminum gun designed to withstand the same amount of loads and stresses needs to be analyzed a little closer before you can come to a conclusion about its overall weight.

[Blister]

Pure titanium is a PiTA to try and mill. Most places wont touch it, I know my shop won't. Alloyed titanium however is another animal entirely. The problem with titanium is that it tends to gall VERY easily, and most 'Titanium' parts you see are actually differing alloys.

Yes, they contain titanium, but they are not 100% titanium, not by a long shot. Personally, I think titanium has probably one of the nicest raw colors/finishes as far as metals go. One of these years I am actually going to mill this block of alloy I have into a 'cocker body just because. It's not entirely practical, but I can say I have a marker no one else does.

[F=ma]

Yeah, I agree.

I love the look of motorcycle exhausts made of titanium that are rainbow discolored at the tip.

[Luigi Speed 05]

actually the sl66 is....

I'm afraid it's true... and actually the ETek happens to be a bit lighter too...

[Shooters~SOBA]

I dont really thing warped sportz is too happy with WDP cuz they were plannin on Avalanch usin the Dark G7 fly's and then avalanch switched to planet eclipse and now shoot egos cuz cagnoni was holdin the wdp sponcership together and he retired so avalanch fell apart.

[Bleda]

The Etek isnt, the SL66 is arguably lighter, no one has gotten it on a scale with the same components on it as an A1 and posted the results though.

[xxmjumpman23xx]

The Etek isnt, the SL66 is arguably lighter, no one has gotten it on a scale with the same components on it as an A1 and posted the results though.

guys its just a few ounces, I'm sure you'll live LOL

[F=ma]

Amen, if weight meant so much everyone would be shooting 45/5000 tanks, but people run around with their 70ci peanuts and argue over 1 oz that an ultralight frame saved them.

[TheDragonJedi]

Amen, if weight meant so much everyone would be shooting 45/5000 tanks, but people run around with their 70ci peanuts and argue over 1 oz that an ultralight frame saved them.

Or they could start lifting weights

[ry_dogg68]

Pure titanium is a PiTA to try and mill. Most places wont touch it, I know my shop won't. Alloyed titanium however is another animal entirely. The problem with titanium is that it tends to gall VERY easily, and most 'Titanium' parts you see are actually differing alloys.

Yes, they contain titanium, but they are not 100% titanium, not by a long shot. Personally, I think titanium has probably one of the nicest raw colors/finishes as far as metals go. One of these years I am actually going to mill this block of alloy I have into a 'cocker body just because. It's not entirely practical, but I can say I have a marker no one else does.

Ti, isn't bad to mill at all. We make parts for boeing (and you dont get many material sticklers worse than them, so you know its a high grade areospace material) all the time, and they always cut fine, and we have no problems holding +/- .0003 all day long. Its not as easy to cut as aluminum, but its better than a high grade stainless steel. As far as weight goes, its pretty damn close to aluminum, so I dont see why you would whine about a ti gun being heavier, not to mention like somebody else already stated, it would have thinner walls and such because of the strength, so it would be that much smaller. I would be a fan of a marker made of it!

[Luigi Speed 05]

The Etek isnt, the SL66 is arguably lighter, no one has gotten it on a scale with the same components on it as an A1 and posted the results though.

Well, it's not like I put them on scales or anything, I just had them both in my hands simultaneously (the Etek and the One) and I had the distinct impression that the Ego was a tad lighter... like they say, we'll survive the extra oz or so... I still think the A1's better, otherwise why would I get an A1 if the Eteks are like $700?

[cwoertel]

aluminum is much lighter than pure, 100% titanium. Most titanium used in manufacturing, including parts for boing is at most 80% titanium, and most is closer to 50% or less. Titanium is a great metal for some applications but not for all. Pure 100% titanium would make a horrible metal for a paintball gun, as the gun would be heavy, expensive and would be more prone to dents and scratches. Yes, titanium is one of the strogest metals on earth, but that is mostly due to how much it will bend before it breaks. Titanium is a very plyable metal, not as plyable as gold, but more so than aluminum or any steel. I can tell you from personal experiance, 100% pure titanium is very difficult to mill or shape in any convintional ways, mostly due to its plyablity.


And about the weight of the sl66 vs etek vs angel one, no one has desided on what equipment should be included in the weight, without barrel the e-tek is lightest, with barrel and asa, the angel wins hands down, by a couple of ounces.