New Information on the Angel 1

[PBEric]

Angel Force is your exclusive resource for pre-release information on WDP's new Angel 1. The Angel Force Master Techs have all the information you crave but we've only been authorized to release it a little bit a time. Just enough, in fact, to keep you begging for more.


http://www.angelforce.tv/angel1.html

[geekwarrior81]

:cheers:

[Trigga Nometry]

Beautiful! Can't wait to see more.

[srubz]

Now Thats the marker I've been waitin for ....

[geekwarrior81]

first i wet myself, than i drooled, than i cried....i hate being poor

[pballplayer35]

Angel Force is your exclusive resource for pre-release information on WDP's new Angel 1. The Angel Force Master Techs have all the information you crave but we've only been authorized to release it a little bit a time. Just enough, in fact, to keep you begging for more.


http://www.angelforce.tv/angel1.html
Which is exactly why I hate you guys and love you at the same time.

[OverweightAngel275]

That camo olive fade is going to be hottt!!!

[ojb]

:worthy: - enough said

[Trigga Nometry]

That camo olive fade is going to be hottt!!!Yeah, I can't wait to see what that looks like either.

[aerotcus]

Does anyone know if all of the colors will be available at release time? or will the fades take longer?

[MuPpEtMoWeR_569]

only 1199 thats cheaper than i thought so maybe i can sell both my 05 speeds and only have to save up a another benji!

[sharps990]

blackberry style scroll wheel?

wtf hax!?!

[firemedic30]

GREAT.....now I want one!

[dynastySSS]

wow...that seems to be so nice cant wait to see one in action

[Devs]

blackberry style scroll wheel?

wtf hax!?!
i'm sure it has a lockout screw like the vernier wheels on the a4 fly. i hope...?

[NickyD]

Three piece light weight Angel barrel kit:
0.691"
0.693"
0.695"
0.700" Barrel tip

What kind of paint does WDP think we're shooting? lmao

[Th3bLaCkNiGhT]

What kind of paint does WDP think we're shooting? lmao
agreed. thats crazy ... they should make some smaller too ... like the FMA custom orbium 3 kits ... perfect 4 inserts IMO. 684 689 691 695 (i think?)

[esandov]

If its that small, I will be very impressed and probably considerone deeply.

[Devs]

I don't think I've ever lusted over a material item before.... :hitit:

[GMG Force Fly]

For those who dont know what an Organic LED display is, here are some pics of a keyboard with OLED keys. I can only imagine what its going to look like in the grip.

[i luv me angel]

i just got my g7 fly 2 weeks ago and i almost wish i hadnt

[John Rambo]

I'm gonna wait for the ONE FLY(if thats what they will call the fly version). See how light it is after new milling and new features with an uped board. plus i am broke. by the time i have the cash the fly version should be released by next year if not sooner.

[John Rambo]

sorry double post

[triumph_013]

i just got my g7 fly 2 weeks ago and i almost wish i hadnt
Me and you are in the same boat...I just got a Gat. If I was just a little more patient.

[WDP Shooter]

i am happy with my g7 fly, but i would consider one, after a few months when all the bugs are worked out...

[Hep]

For those who dont know what an Organic LED display is, here are some pics of a keyboard with OLED keys. I can only imagine what its going to look like in the grip.


just what Ive been thinking. If its anything like the Organice "LCD" displays of the headunits I sale at the shop it will be tight.

[big azn]

damn if it comes in a gloss silver like that im definetly getting one.

[GMG Force Fly]

just what Ive been thinking. If its anything like the Organice "LCD" displays of the headunits I sale at the shop it will be tight.

It will be nice to change the color of the display to the color of the gun. And to be able to see it in the sun.

[Trigga Nometry]

I have seen the Angel One's OLED and it does look freaking sweet. I think most people willl even like it more than the current LCD and WDP uses just because you can read everything, full words and all. Wait until you see it.

[GMG Force Fly]

I have seen the Angel One's OLED and it does look freaking sweet. I think most people willl even like it more than the current LCD and WDP uses just because you can read everything, full words and all. Wait until you see it.

I dont have a choice but to wait, so i'll take your word for it. Am I going to need a change of pants? lol

[NATERATER]

I'm gonna wait for the ONE FLY(if thats what they will call the fly version). See how light it is after new milling and new features with an uped board. plus i am broke. by the time i have the cash the fly version should be released by next year if not sooner.
Man John! Now you got me thinking about waiting for the fly too, decisions, decisions......

[Mavrick]

Like Trigga I held it in my mitts for awile. The gun is so small and light I do not think they could mill much more out of it to be truthfull. Something tells me that their isn't enough material left now to fly one! If anything some would need to be added back to get some nice contour milling of guns past. FWIW.

[GMG Force Fly]

Is there going to be a JD version?

[warpedx]

The lcd and ir3 fly were just milling options, but from the A4 on up, the fly's have carried a substantial change. (eyes, barrel threading)
The pneumatics remained the same though. Wonder if it is possible to rip some weight of the gun still. Probably have to change the grip frame or reg to do so. Carbon Fiber or delrin based internals perhaps?

[hell's angel]

I'm going to have to exercise some restraint and wait--to see the performance results and reviews from everyone, to see if there'll be some kind of Fly version of the One, and to slow down my expenditures on collecting paintball markers. (Right now I'm juggling 5 guns to customize: two G7s, one '05 Speed, one '06 Ego, and an X-Mag).

[will7180]

can't wait to get one i orderd a ego 06 but once i seen this i changed my mind real quick sorry to angel lovers i almost left but i have come back

[Robotboll]

Everyone is acting like the new Angel will be the wheel re-invented. Sure, it's going to be a great marker, BUT it is not going to put your "old" angel out of business... So, with a great PUI warning, stop posting like your game depends on half an inch of three-tube-design... Buy a Stako tank or a Reloader, there is where your weight can be improved!

Oh, and also: WDP4LIFE.

[Robotboll]

Is there going to be a JD version?
I did not say anything!

[GMG Force Fly]

I did not say anything!

Whats that supose to mean?

[SD-G-force]

Buy a Stako tank or a Reloader, there is where your weight can be improved!

yeah sucks for us americans since stako failed the DOT crap

[Leo Robinson]

Sounds awesome, now all it has to do is be accurate and reliable.

[Devs]

Sounds awesome, now all it has to do is be accurate and reliable.
i really hope thats sarcasm... All angels so far have been stupidly reliable. So why stop now?
And I'm not going to get into the accuracy thing.

[Robotboll]

Whats that supose to mean?

It means I have not said anything about a Joy Division Angel One. How you choose to interpret that is up to you... :evilgrin:

[Leo Robinson]

i really hope thats sarcasm... All angels so far have been stupidly reliable. So why stop now?
And I'm not going to get into the accuracy thing.


I guess that all depends on who you ask:neutral:

[DARKSTAR21]

This is directed toward one of the master techs, so what tank do you think would be best suited for the Angel 1. Pure energy, Crossfire, or other ? I dont know how fast it cycles or how much air it uses so maybe you can give some insight, because I have to buy a new tank to go with it : )

[Devs]

I guess that all depends on who you ask:neutral:
I have yet to meet someone who has had brand damaging problems that weren't user error. Which as you know isn't the guns fault.

[GMG Force Fly]

It means I have not said anything about a Joy Division Angel One. How you choose to interpret that is up to you... :evilgrin:

I was asking people , mainly MT's, if they knew if a JD version is coming out, not if you didnt say anything.

[Leo Robinson]

I have yet to meet someone who has had brand damaging problems that weren't user error. Which as you know isn't the guns fault.

good points,

however i hold the opinions of those who have/can shoot anything in a much higher regard.


Thats all i will say :)

[KEN CRANE]

This is directed toward one of the master techs, so what tank do you think would be best suited for the Angel 1. Pure energy, Crossfire, or other ? I dont know how fast it cycles or how much air it uses so maybe you can give some insight, because I have to buy a new tank to go with it : )


not to name drop but the support and quality seems to lean me to the crossfire.

[OverweightAngel275]

Always lover crossfires, they have never let me down.

[Furby]

Centerflag Uber Alles

[Th3bLaCkNiGhT]

i use crossfire and macdev legionair. crossy is cheaper and still holds up well ... but the macdev tank is light and the reg is gerat ... but it comse at a price ...

[NickyD]

Yes i must agree. I LOVE my LegionAir but the Crossy is really nice too. good luck finding one though.

but you know what sucks? I went to go fill mine today and the fill nipple started to leak. and no one had an extra tank. so i got to use an ego6 all day. lmao i loved itl.

but the Angel 1 will be so cool i can't wait till it comes out. I want it.

[DARKSTAR21]

Thanks for the heads up Ken, I appriciate it : )

[Katjman]

Come on!!! Who do you have to shoot to get one of these in Silver? Any ideas on when or if these will eventually be available in silver? Also how about the barrel kit that comes with? Is the paintball industry moving to jawbreakers as a standard for size?

[slapshot]

The answer is simple: Only the Lone Ranger get this color !

Hi Ho Silver....... Away

[John Rambo]

I use evil scion so what i want to know is will i be able to take the stock ASA and put the scion in its place. I love my tank its an 88 5000 and i get over 2500 shots with it. I would kind of like to use this tank on the new angel.

[Mavrick]

I use evil scion so what i want to know is will i be able to take the stock ASA and put the scion in its place. I love my tank its an 88 5000 and i get over 2500 shots with it. I would kind of like to use this tank on the new angel.

I got the same rig. I have to use the dovetail that comes with it on a G7. It is a bit smaller than industry standard. I'm not sure if the dovetail on the new "one" is detachable or machined into the bottom of the grip frame. If not I would think you would need an adapter made that would allow you make up for the size differential of the A1 dovetail to Scion size. I think an MT would better answer that! :notsure:

[GMG Force Fly]

Does anyone know how long the barrel is on the new "one"?

[JeffW]

Does anyone know how long the barrel is on the new "one"?

14".

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

Oh my §§§§ing God I want one!!! :D

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

ummm I think I might buy one when it first comes out....;)

[DARKSTAR21]

What about a loader Ken? Which would be best, Empire reloader B, Velocity, Regular Halo, other ? Thanks

[drumr79]

I wonder what the stock board will be like.:dunno:

[SD-G-force]

What about a loader Ken? Which would be best, Empire reloader B, Velocity, Regular Halo, other ? Thanks
dude, each of those are the top loaders on the market so im guessing each one would be adequate. but if u must choose one, simply pick the most expensive....:dodgy:

[you been gogged]

what is the expected release date?

[Esteban]

Does anybody knows if the board is going to be fully programmable like the Tadao or it would have preseted modes like the stock angel boards????

[DARKSTAR21]

Thanks SD-G for the opinion, but unless your names Ken why dont you let a MT answer : P

[SD-G-force]

um because it doesnt take an MT to answer questions about a loader. most likely this gun will feed up to 31+bps. if you want the fastest STOCK hopper take the velocity. i believe in can feed 25 bps with a freefall rate of 35. the other two(empire and halo b) can feed 19 bps stock. My teammate has a cheetah board for his halo and he says it has significantly made a difference in the way his halo performs. So it all really depends on what YOU want and whether youre willing to up a hopper or not. In my opinion, you dont even need to up a halo or empire(unless ur adding rip to a halo doesnt have rip drive) because, or atleast i cant, most of us dont shoot 19+bps

[mercui2y]

Does anyone know the release date
I cant wait!!!!!

[slip]

um because it doesnt take an MT to answer questions about a loader. most likely this gun will feed up to 31+bps. if you want the fastest STOCK hopper take the velocity. i believe in can feed 25 bps with a freefall rate of 35. the other two(empire and halo b) can feed 19 bps stock. My teammate has a cheetah board for his halo and he says it has significantly made a difference in the way his halo performs. So it all really depends on what YOU want and whether youre willing to up a hopper or not. In my opinion, you dont even need to up a halo or empire(unless ur adding rip to a halo doesnt have rip drive) because, or atleast i cant, most of us dont shoot 19+bps

eggs feed 19 stock, halos and empire feed about 25 stock, and with an aftermarket board, they can feed about 30-35 (trust me i've seen it happen). u can get halos with rip dives stock. velocitys are the fastest stock, but they're more expensive than halos and empires, and they're not as pretty.

also, according to this website and forces website, the release date for the a1, as of now, is friday june 23, 2006.

thats my 2 cents, peace.

[Devs]

eggs feed 19 stock, halos and empire feed about 25 stock, and with an aftermarket board, they can feed about 30-35 (trust me i've seen it happen). u can get halos with rip dives stock. velocitys are the fastest stock, but they're more expensive than halos and empires, and they're not as pretty.

also, according to this website and forces website, the release date for the a1, as of now, is friday june 23, 2006.

thats my 2 cents, peace.

Eggs, even with zboard, can't feed quite that fast consistently. And halos have a drop rate around 25, but everyone knows drop rates are faster than on gun speeds. But yes, stock velocities are the fastest stock hopper.

[i luv me angel]

but they dont look great at all in my opinon
the velocities

[a bag of it]

2k3er needs help with a hopper

EDIT: that was directed to darkstar

[JDemonpbt]

most companies have been going to larger bores as standard, because of higher rates of fire guns have nowadays. Larger bores= less chance of breaking paint in the barrel at higher ROF, while still maintaining a fair amount of accuracy. And Yes you CAN still shoot high ROF with a properly matched bore/paint ratio. I know someone will try to argue that.

[SD-G-force]

eggs feed 19 stock, halos and empire feed about 25 stock, and with an aftermarket board, they can feed about 30-35 (trust me i've seen it happen). u can get halos with rip dives stock. velocitys are the fastest stock, but they're more expensive than halos and empires, and they're not as pretty.

also, according to this website and forces website, the release date for the a1, as of now, is friday june 23, 2006.

thats my 2 cents, peace.
i didnt know about eggs so i didnt put them in. but i know for a fact that halos and empires dont feed 25 stock. maybe like that one guy said that it was the freefall rate but not feed. the vlocity's feed 25 stock though i know that. sure vlocitys may not look that good but its a great hopper and i especially like the weight and size of it.

[Speedy_in_Blue]

damn the 23rd release date! Would have loved to shoot this in Chi-town for the PSP! Oh well!

Question, prolly be answered but idk. Are the colors going to be like the 05 Speed, where it was lets say, Blue, with black accents? cause that would be the §§§§!

[DARKSTAR21]

Ok Mr. 2k5 (A bag of it) this is why I asked for a MT opinion and not anyone else becuase I bet you dont know the exact specs of a the gun or how it handles and operates. So that means that you dont know how loud or how quite this marker is going to shoot, therefore you dont know how a sound activated loader is going to respond to it, because I've shot guns that have trouble w/ Reloader B's because the marker is so quite. So unless you've shot paint threw this gun I dont think anybody is in a position to comment on what works best.

[SD-G-force]

because I've shot guns that have trouble w/ Reloader B's because the marker is so quite. So unless you've shot paint threw this gun I dont think anybody is in a position to comment on what works best.
which ones? even dm's work great off empires and thats probably one of the more quieter markers

[warpedx]

whats with all the 2k3/2k5 hate? keep that crap on pbn.
If you set your marker and loader to work together, you can make just about anything work.
I think the loader recomendation will come down to preferance more than anything else.

[BoB]

I like my stick feed

[Zinn]

Ohh, what color to get....let me see...maybe, I know.....red to black polished fade!!

[John Rambo]

[QUOTE=SD-G-force] but i know for a fact that halos and empires dont feed 25 stock.


On my G7 FLY set at seimi-auto with no bounce or anything to enhance the rate of fire i have reached(my ROF record according to the guns LCD) 25bps on my stock halo b w/rip.I mean shooting balls through with the eyes on. So i think it is possible for stock halo bs to shoot 25bps if my gun says it is.

[slip]

Eggs, even with zboard, can't feed quite that fast consistently. And halos have a drop rate around 25, but everyone knows drop rates are faster than on gun speeds. But yes, stock velocities are the fastest stock hopper.

here's two more cents:

and please, correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i am.

1st off:
no hopper can feed thier max rate consistantly. i've done several drop test with my halo, and there is always some gaps in the falling paint, so the comment about eggs really ins't fair. as long as there is enough paint in the hopper the top paint's wieght is gonna force the bottom paint into the eggs loading blade thing (the egg's equivalent of a halo's drive cone, i don't use an egg so i don't know what it's called), which causes it to load the paint pretty consistantly.

and 2nd:
as rambo said, halos can feed 25 bps., and heres my logic to support it: the reason for the gun speed to be lower is because of the hopper loading faster than what the gun is shooting, causing the paintballs to load and then stop, and then load and then stop. the delay caused by the paintballs stoping is a VERY short period of time (the delay can be longer, depending on how fast the gun can cycle), but because the paintballs are being loaded at, say, 10 bps. faster than what the gun is shooting, the paintballs delay will be for long enough for the loaders activation mechanism (the sound sensor for the empires, and the eyes for the halos) to tell the board to stop, go, stop, go. agian (agian, the individual starting and stopping of the board will be for a VERY brief period of time, but it all adds up). therefore, the entire action is slowed down by the rate of fire delaying the paintballs, right?
but what happens if the gun goes just as fast as the loader's top speed? well, then there shouldn't be any delays cause by the rate of fire (just like if the loader was doing a drop test when there is no gun to cause any delays) which means that, as long as the gun is going fast enough for there to not be any delays, then the loader will load at its drop test rate. and the drop test rate for for halos and empires is 25 bps., right?

so, if what i just said is right, then (at least somewhat) its not only "the gun can only shoot as fast as the hopper can load", but also, "the hopper can only load as fast the gun can shoot." hmmm...interesting...

agian, please correct me if i'm wrong.

peace.

[Angelboy13456]

how do u start ur own new thread

[slip]

there should be a "new thread" option (i guess u could call it a "button") that u can click on at the top a bottom of each section screen (by sections i mean places like "product news" and "admin. news"). they should look like, and be in the same location as the "post reply" buttons at the top and bottom of this screen.

[triumph_013]

there should be a "new thread" option (i guess u could call it a "button") that u can click on at the top a bottom of each section screen (by sections i mean places like "product news" and "admin. news"). they should look like, and be in the same location as the "post reply" buttons at the top and bottom of this screen.
There is.

[John Rambo]

here's two more cents:

and please, correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i am.

1st off:
no hopper can feed thier max rate consistantly. i've done several drop test with my halo, and there is always some gaps in the falling paint, so the comment about eggs really ins't fair. as long as there is enough paint in the hopper the top paint's wieght is gonna force the bottom paint into the eggs loading blade thing (the egg's equivalent of a halo's drive cone, i don't use an egg so i don't know what it's called), which causes it to load the paint pretty consistantly.

and 2nd:
as rambo said, halos can feed 25 bps., and heres my logic to support it: the reason for the gun speed to be lower is because of the hopper loading faster than what the gun is shooting, causing the paintballs to load and then stop, and then load and then stop. the delay caused by the paintballs stoping is a VERY short period of time (the delay can be longer, depending on how fast the gun can cycle), but because the paintballs are being loaded at, say, 10 bps. faster than what the gun is shooting, the paintballs delay will be for long enough for the loaders activation mechanism (the sound sensor for the empires, and the eyes for the halos) to tell the board to stop, go, stop, go. agian (agian, the individual starting and stopping of the board will be for a VERY brief period of time, but it all adds up). therefore, the entire action is slowed down by the rate of fire delaying the paintballs, right?
but what happens if the gun goes just as fast as the loader's top speed? well, then there shouldn't be any delays cause by the rate of fire (just like if the loader was doing a drop test when there is no gun to cause any delays) which means that, as long as the gun is going fast enough for there to not be any delays, then the loader will load at its drop test rate. and the drop test rate for for halos and empires is 25 bps., right?

so, if what i just said is right, then (at least somewhat) its not only "the gun can only shoot as fast as the hopper can load", but also, "the hopper can only load as fast the gun can shoot." hmmm...interesting...

agian, please correct me if i'm wrong.

peace.



:cheers:

[BAKERmancan]

I think the empire loaders also sense vibration not just sound...so even if your gun is super quiet it should still pick up a recoil even if it is slight... tested this with empire RELOADER...NOT RELOADER B...but im sure they have the same type of sound tech.

And to John Rambo... i think there is more than 1 flaw or info left out in your logic due to the tension that is wound up in the halo and empire cones...

example: when you 1st load up your halo/empire full of paint on your marker and press the on button what happens ? does paint instantly load ?

not exactly...

it takes the halo a split second to build up tension on the cone...because the motor/belt drive assembly doesnt really drive the cone directly like in the eggs technically...the motor and belt wind up a spring underneath the cone and thus the cone is placed under spring tension. After that tension hits a certain point it is strong enought to make the cone push the weight of the several balls in the cone into the neck and the neck fills up with about 10-15 balls rather quickly.

as you shoot your marker...balls exit the breach/neck and the tension unwinds;pushing more paint into the marker...when you stop shooting the halo eye detects when paintballs stop running through the neck..and when the paint stops( when a balls stays in front of eye) the paint stops loading and the tension that was exerted to feed the paint needs to be replaced so the motor has to "catch up" with the cone....

this can be tested by simply putting your hopper on your gun...filling it ...turning the loader on then off..then taking it off the gun...approx.10-15 paintballs get pushed out because the spring had max tension on it when you turned it off.

Heres why it DOESNT shoot 25+ bps CONSISTENTLY

you can only feed bursts of 25+ bps because the halo only has max tension on the cone for the 1st few shots...as soon as you shoot those 1st few shots some tension is released...you may shoot the 1st few at 25 bps but as you shoot that fast the halo belt motor can't rebuild the tension as fast as you are shooting...it takes a split second for the eye to detect a paint rolling past the eye so it tells the motor to spin the belt and rebuild that tension that you released on those 1st few balls...you only have the tension required to shoot 25 pbs when you completely stop shooting after you have started.

people with rip drives can possibly do more since they can turn their halo on..then give the drive a turn or 2 to add more tension on the cone to give a fast feed burst for the 1st second or 2

I aquired about half of this knowledge at the NPS sponsered tech class event in L.A. with NICK from odessy teaching the HALO class

[no3ffect]

I think the empire loaders also sense vibration not just sound...so even if your gun is super quiet it should still pick up a recoil even if it is slight... tested this with empire RELOADER...NOT RELOADER B...but im sure they have the same type of sound tech.



Yes thats what sound is vibrations and thats what they detect not the sound itself but simply vibrations.

[Paintballmama]

Does anybody knows if the board is going to be fully programmable like the Tadao or it would have preseted modes like the stock angel boards????

Enough with the hopper drop stuff. The above was the last post about The Angel One.

I haven't seen ANYTHING about modes in the pre-order form. Does anyone know if it only shoots semi or has different modes?

[JeffW]

The board will be fully programable. It will be legal in all leagues and if an aftermarket board comes available there will be no need for it unless you want the feel of the microswitch.

[mercui2y]

Ken, or does anyone else know
will all the colors in pre-order be availible for shipmanet on 23rd
Like blue dust? Cause i want to pre-order but then find out only black is going to be shipped.

[tgallo]

Ken, or does anyone else know
will all the colors in pre-order be availible for shipmanet on 23rd
Like blue dust? Cause i want to pre-order but then find out only black is going to be shipped.

has been discussed here:
http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=57434

[fubrik]

90 frames?

[SD-G-force]

YES! it will be available in 90 frames

[KEN CRANE]

YES! it will be available in 90 frames


at this time no plans are in the works for 90 frames. this is due to the fact that the gun is so small and tight. a 90 would need to be redesigned to fit this body style.

[Worr Angel]

at this time no plans are in the works for 90 frames. this is due to the fact that the gun is so small and tight. a 90 would need to be redesigned to fit this body style.

I guess WDP has decided to become a follower.

I would prefer a cocker in a 45 so I guess no new angels for me until they redesign the 90. A 45 on an angel is sacrilegious in my book.

[tgallo]

at this time no plans are in the works for 90 frames. this is due to the fact that the gun is so small and tight. a 90 would need to be redesigned to fit this body style.

No disrespect.....as you rock like no other....but looking at the pics...I can't see it being that big of an issue.

That being said....you would probably know better than I.

[SD-G-force]

at this time no plans are in the works for 90 frames. this is due to the fact that the gun is so small and tight. a 90 would need to be redesigned to fit this body style.
i could have sworn there was talk about plans for 90 frames in the angel 1 thread on the nation; oh well

[KEN CRANE]

i could have sworn there was talk about plans for 90 frames in the angel 1 thread on the nation; oh well

lol nation is as nation does nope sorry no 90s

[Worr Angel]

lol nation is as nation does

lol lol

nope sorry no 90s

nope sorry no orders then

that sucks

[Big-O]

Ditto, no order here either. What a disappointment. I just don't get it...IMO the 90 frame is just as much a signature of a true Angel as is in their 3-tube stack design. The 45 frame works well on Angels just not the A1 IMO. Not to have a 90 frame option like all the other models of late is just a mistake. Looks like a damn Bushmaster or Smart Parts Nerve in my eyes. =(

[Doug]

Yep, so ends my upgrade path if the 90 goes the way of extinction. It's just too nice of an ergonomic design to give up.

[Worr Angel]

To me doing away with the 90 is like Nike given up the swoosh, Gatorade giving up the lightning bolt, or Michael Jordan giving up jumping.

It is just plain stupid.

[SD-G-force]

just make a custom 90 frame :dodgy:

[RangerJoe]

:boobies: :doc:

[uniquenewyork15]

just make a custom 90 frame :dodgy:
not pbn. lol but we all know what you mean :boobies:

[fubrik]

no 90 sux,especially since i know I'm gonna have to get one sooner or later....hopefully plans change soon.....

[torturedklown]

def. needs a 90 frame... once I got used to it on my a4 fly and G7 I cant get comfy with anything else :-( *boo hoo*

:-D

[Speedy_in_Blue]

I never could get comfy with anything but a 45frame, so Im happy. The 45frames sold more than the 90's, main reason WDP is sticking with them

[-=X=-Trigger]

ok, dumb question maybe, but did they get released??

[SD-G-force]

yes

[p8ntballerff]

The blackberry style scroll wheel does not lock down on this frame but, it doesn't matter you don't even really touch it during play. Or at least I didn't touch mine when I was playing this weekend, believe me the A1 is worth every penny.

[Trigga Nometry]

LOOK HERE rarudio for your new thread: http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=60658

[October Fly]

polished black at fma...