Wanna see a $1000 blender? Help!

[BluesMetal]

I bought my G7 Fly a few months ago and have had problems with it chopping balls like a friggin mad man. I asked in a previous thread about ball chops, applied the advice that was given but none of it helped. I bought a Reloader B2, thinking that the spring tension feature and sound sensitivity adjustments would help me dial in a less choppy paintball gun but Im still getting the same problems.
I bought a case of Scorched paint today and filled up my tanks to do some trial and error to see if I could get my gun to shoot one hopper of quality paint without chopping a single ball. I was disappointed to find that after the whole case I couldnt pull it off. I would do single shots every second and after the first 4 shots it chopped a ball. After that there were 6 more chops throughout the rest of the hopper. I tried a higher rate of speed, like 15 bps and it was ugly. It chopped around 60% of the balls that were shot.

Before I shot, I cleaned it, oiled it since it was past 4000K on the shot counter, checked output pressure and read through the manual one more time to make sure I wasnt missing anything.

My settings for the Fly are:
Mode 1 with eyes on
MROF 15-17
Hopper Speed 8-12
MDB 2-6
TR1
Dwell 9

I played with the settings and the only thing I got was less ball breakage when I decreased the Hopper speed to 8. There were points when the gun would only fire once every few seconds after a chop. I would have to clean the eyes and whatnot to get it to fire once again. The eye test passed when it was having this problem and the bolt even got stuck at one point form the shells.

I tried all of the different settings on the Reloader B2 and nothing seemed to help.
My freak kit matched the paint well and I even tried a couple of different inserts when finally I took the barrel off the marker and shot it. I watched as about $10 of paint was destroyed after roughly every 4th shot.

Im not sure what else to do because Iv messed with my settings using some of the recommendations on other posts and nothing will keep this gun from blending paint. I don’t have the cash to keep buying paint to dick with my settings. If anyone is still reading please let me know what you think. I am asking for more advice because I would like to actually take this marker out on the field but with it acting this way I haven’t had the chance!
Thanks
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[GMG Force Fly]

Send it to Bob or Ken and let them work there magic.

[BluesMetal]

whats the best way to do that? Never submitted a question to them.

[GMG Force Fly]

You can call them and they can help you and tell you everything you need to know.

Here is some helpful info.
http://angel-owners.com/showthread.php?p=507551#post507551

[BluesMetal]

Sweet thanks

[BluesMetal]

OK so i got the idea that maybe the Reloader B2 was putting too much force on the balls and thats what was causing them to break. So I threw a Revy agitator on top and I only had 2 ball breaks after about 1000 balls and I think it was because I forgot to change the hopper setting. Does anyone know a way to make the Reloader B's have less pressure on the balls? I tried just installing a 9v battery and it seemed to keep less pressure off the balls. I threw in the 6 AA pack, put the speed setting on the lowest, let some balls feed through with the hopper off the gun and tried to stop the rope of balls coming out the neck of the hopper with my fingers. I did that a few times and it was actually hard to keep the balls to stop feeding while I simulated burst shots. The Empires paddle shredded a ball after a few simulated bursts. So Im thinking its not so much the gun as it is the Empire. Isnt there a 4 AA adapter or something?

[WallyR]

I do not know the Empire hopper, but my guess is that all the electronic runs on 9V, so 6V (4 x 1,5) would mean the electronic would not work.

I play with a Viewloader Vlocity myself and it has 10 preset settings for the force feed pressure.
At the same time it can hold 200 balls and feed 25 bps.

[BoB]

How brittle is the paint (dropped from the 5ft off the ground onto cement, how many times does it bounce?) Also, what is your radar speed (fps?)

[BluesMetal]

I didnt try the bounce test with the balls, i used them all up =P. They didnt feel that brittle when I was handling them. My FPS should be right around 280. I chrono'ed it a few weeks ago so it could have changed but even during the chrono it was breaking balls. I have looked at the Vlocity but I already spent my cash on the Empire.

[Identity Crisis]

If your having trouble with breakage thanks to the reloader I would check your detents, maybe theyre worn/sticking or something, I run a halo on my speed, and my ir3 with good detents and have had zero problems with breaks due to double feed or misfeeds. Also check your ram stroke, make sure you ram is set so when you close the breech so it just barely clicks on the back end of the channel on the hammer, well thats how I was told back in the day and apply it to all of the guns from lcd-a4 that ive owned. This could be wrong but ive noticed good results.

As far as your settings if they are stock and your guns not working, there is an issue, in that case at the very least contact an MT, if not send it in for service, it may or may not still be under the WDP warantee.

As a side note, ive never owned a g7, but im just throwing out suggestions from all the other angels ive owned.

[i luv me angel]

i have a reloader but i cant find my manual ,but is it not in it

[Backman]

I run a Halo with Victory board on my G7 without any troubles, so I'm thinking the Reloader should be fine. I would check your detents as mentioned above, if they are sticking it would cause this problem.
If you check them and its still chops I would call one of the MTs and send it in to them. It sucks to have a new gun that won't work, but I can guarantee when they are done, you will be singing a different tune about that blender.

[Talon]

I agree with the above posts. I'd call up one of the MTs and send them your marker and loader and see what they can do as far as replecating your experiences with it and coming up with a solution. The MTs are awesome.

[BluesMetal]

Cool, thx for the advice. I did write Frazer an e-mail a few days ago and he hasnt replied back yet. I pulled out my detents and checked em out but they were clean and operating properly. Yeah it really does suck that Iv had this expensive ass gun for a few months now and havent played a single game because of it chopping.

[Dreadwolfe]

I had this type of problem with my reloader b a little while ago. The problem was the plastic wheel underneath the drive cone that houses the sping. It had broken and twisted the spring, so the drive cone had no play. You should be able to spin the drive cone backwards about 1 full turn without spinning the motor, when you let it go, it should spring back. This stops the drive cone from putting full pressure on the stack. Without that spring tension, the loader will basically spin with no give and crush balls in the stack.

Now, you have a reloader b2. I've have yet to actually see one yet, but I would imagine it is the same as a reloader b just with different electronics. I would try taking the loader apart and chack that everything is as it should be(if you feel comfortable doing it of course).

[BluesMetal]

I had this type of problem with my reloader b a little while ago. The problem was the plastic wheel underneath the drive cone that houses the sping. It had broken and twisted the spring, so the drive cone had no play. You should be able to spin the drive cone backwards about 1 full turn without spinning the motor, when you let it go, it should spring back. This stops the drive cone from putting full pressure on the stack. Without that spring tension, the loader will basically spin with no give and crush balls in the stack.

Now, you have a reloader b2. I've have yet to actually see one yet, but I would imagine it is the same as a reloader b just with different electronics. I would try taking the loader apart and chack that everything is as it should be(if you feel comfortable doing it of course).

Yes I have taken the loader apart quite a few times actually to clean out the paint that was splattered everywhere. The cone and spring components are in good working condition. I inspected all of the parts that appeared relevant for operation and it all looked good. The B2 appears to be exactly the same as the B. Ill be sending in the Fly in for service and the B2 is going with it. Its very disapointing that I have to send in a brand new marker to be serviced before its even seem field time.

[Mavrick]

In all my testing of Halo type hoppers the majority of the time it is the loader that is crushing the stack. This being a new model type my guess is that would be it. You have any friends that could lend you a Halo to try? If another loader of the same type works then you know the cause. Another thing, if you break paint the gun will have it everywhere internally. With patience fully break down both sides of your eyes and detents and carefully clean them well. Check the detent springs too. If they apply uneven pressure you can have the same problems. My G7 would do the same thing when I was testing better motors and battery upgrades on my Halo. LOL it looked like I opened a can of paint and poured it into the hopper! So more than 9V on a stock board with any of the hoppers results in higher torque and that equals a hell of allot of mashed paint.

Last, most gave the sound advice of seeking out an MT to look it over.

[BluesMetal]

Well I dont have anyone who can loan me a spare hopper but I did try my ghetto revo agitator type that sits on my Tipmann and the breaking did reduce to only a few but that was at like 8 BPS.
When the breaks happen the paint was everywhere, breech, barrel, hopper. I used to have a Halo with my old 2k LCD but it was a blender as well so I must have very bad luck with paintball equipment. If sending my gear to the MT falls through I think Ill be giving up on paintball because Im tired of the stress involved. I want to have fun with a sport, not be unmotivated to play it because of the money I wasted.

[Mavrick]

Hang in there! Your frustration level is high and understandably so. Get a form from one of the MT web sites and fill it in. Then send it off. (If you decide on Ken DO NOT USE PEANUTS to pack it up!) They will contact you shortly with an estimate of repair if any. Have some patience with this. You will be glad you did when you start to shoot ropes and then really start to have some fun!

[BluesMetal]

Thanks bud, appreciate the support. Ill be sending it out Monday.

[i luv me angel]

how do you poast a thread i cant figure out:notsure:

[paintballaforever]

yea i had some probs too

[i luv me angel]

yea i had some probs too
well how:notsure:

[BluesMetal]

how do you poast a thread i cant figure out:notsure:

What?

[tgallo]

how do you poast a thread i cant figure out:notsure:

Go to the desired forum (ie. G7 Fly). Click on the New Thread button at the top.