???angel No Longer The Fastest???

[p8ntballar]

Eveyone knows that an angel is the fastest at31bps but now macdv says there 06 cyborg can shot 33bps
this is BULL
http://macdev.net/06cyborg.htm

[Mavrick]

one ball or 2 balls, like it will make a difference! (That's what my ma told me)
The ONE that hits you is the one that counts!

Rawrrr

[hgroberts]

I call bull§§§§

[Th3bLaCkNiGhT]

also ... im not expert or anything ... but couldnt vikings and excals cycle about 35 ish after the 13 bps cap was lifted off the boards?

plus is that 33 sustained for a full hopper? or just 2 shots that are that close ... the wdp stock boards are all capped at 31 bps so you would need to try a new board and goldwave a uncapped full auto run and see if 31 can be beaten ...

[RevBubba]

Well to be honest the potential mechanical speed of a marker has little to do with how fast a person can actually shoot it.

Two of the markers that people felt shot the fastest was the DM series and the Timmys. In actual fact both of these were mechanically slower than most others.

The DM ( which most people claimed was so easy to shoot fast and was "for sure the fastest marker ever made..."was limited by the noid only cycling at 23 bps MAX and the Timmy was limited to 22-26 depending on who you talked to and which version..

The Viking has shot paint at over 31 bps for many years...Angel was never the fastest here. Now Cyborg is even faster theoretically.

But to shoot these markers inactual tourney conditions will not EVER get anywhere near the mechanical top bps for any top end marker.

WDP ( like every other marker compnay) has made claims that may not have been entirely true. Like the Wdp was the fastest marker @31 bps...it never was. Does this make the WDP markers slow....Heck NO!

Soooo no BS calls need to be made. Shooting fast has more to do with skill and marker set up than the mechanically max. bps the gun can theoretically shoot.

[uniquenewyork15]

who cares as long as it shoots at least 15 bps its fine with me

[Presto333]

every high end gun will go as fast as your fingers can pull the trigger, wut will 30bps do for you in a tourney?

[uniquenewyork15]

lol yeah thats what im trying to say

[esandov]

30bps in a tourney is the difference between a wipe and spray painting a mother F'er orange.

The difference is them walking off.....or them getting the#ucK off YOUR field.

I perfer that latter in both instances as responses.

[GMG Force Fly]

30bps in a tourney is the difference between a wipe and spray painting a mother F'er orange.

The difference is them walking off.....or them getting the#ucK off YOUR field.

I perfer that latter in both instances as responses.

Well put.

[Trigga Nometry]

Would still love to see if the new Cyborg really can get a case of paint per 68/4500 fill. Hot looking too.

Finger guard actually looks to me like the newer WDP stly that started with the Speed 05. No?

[Devs]

the 05 sonic borgs get a full case of paint of a solid 68/4500 fill. I think the 06 is kind of a hot gun. But not like I'd ever get rid of my angel.

[Emmit]

cycles mean nothing...the original Automag R/T was advertised as being capable of 36 cycles per second.

[thog94]

cycles mean nothing...the original Automag R/T was advertised as being capable of 36 cycles per second.


Yup, remember the Bushy that was advertised to cycle at 66?

As staed before, because a marker can cycle that fast doesn't mean that you can pull that fast. It's called marketing. Whatever a company can use to make their product sound better, they will use. No matter if that function is actually valuable or not.

[RevBubba]

30bps in a tourney is the difference between a wipe and spray painting a mother F'er orange.

The difference is them walking off.....or them getting the#ucK off YOUR field.

I perfer that latter in both instances as responses.

Ummm........ right.

Since you can not shoot @ anywhere near 30 bps (unles you have a field where you can play on Full Auto or super insano max ramping)your comments are a bit confusing.

Most people have no idea how fast they are actually shooting...they make claims for unreal speeds only to find they are WAY off.

Over a ballistics chrono ( not the Big Red ones) you will find most people can not get much over 18 bps in ture semi unless they have super bounce dialled in on their markers.

Anyway...all top end markers are more than fast enough...especially with the constantly improving boards we have coming out.

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

Sure I can see it that is possible to be faster than an Angel but however Angels have been looked as the best marker in the sport and the fastest (and I bet the new angel can shoot atleast 36bps!!). Furthermore I am just wondering how fast can a 04 speed cycle (lets say with eyes), A4 Fly and a G7/G7 Fly?

[Trigga Nometry]

Sure I can see it that is possible to be faster than an Angel but however Angels have been looked as the best marker in the sport and the fastest (and I bet the new angel can shoot atleast 36bps!!). Furthermore I am just wondering how fast can a 04 speed cycle (lets say with eyes), A4 Fly and a G7/G7 Fly?Only one way to find out.....test it and let us know when you get your uber-Speed 04 back from Ken's :cheers: .

[Presto333]

Furthermore I am just wondering how fast can a 04 speed cycle (lets say with eyes), A4 Fly and a G7/G7 Fly?

31, g7/g7fly = 30.5

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

Only one way to find out.....test it and let us know when you get your uber-Speed 04 back from Ken's :cheers: .
I guess so. BTW: He should be shipping it off today after I pay him :cheers:!!

[Devs]

Yup, remember the Bushy that was advertised to cycle at 66?

As staed before, because a marker can cycle that fast doesn't mean that you can pull that fast. It's called marketing. Whatever a company can use to make their product sound better, they will use. No matter if that function is actually valuable or not.

The gun wasn't ever advertised as being able to cycle at 66. That was only the Shocktech Board/Chip that said it could do 66.6 cps.

[Technix2002]

Someone coreect me if I am wrong, but my A4 Fly in demo mode cycled past 30 bps because it said XX-Off the chart. I also shot it once with the TR all the way up and it acheived 33bps, it said 33 BPS You must have six fingers on your hand. Without all the bounce from the crazy TR setting, etc, there is no way I shoot anywhere close. Angels are amazing, extremely easy to take care of, and look the best of all markers. Yes, I'm opinionated and brainwashed too!!!

[paintreliever]

im pretty sure thats not possible because the board is capped at 31

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

The tadao board is at 36 bps capped I believe, and also the A4 Fly can only cycle at 31 bps.

[slinkyonrampage]

And what hopper can actually pump out 30 balls a second?

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

And what hopper can actually pump out 30 balls a second?
The intellfeed might since it goes at the rate of the trippger.

[Presto333]

And what hopper can actually pump out 30 balls a second?

only 2 i know of that can do that is q-loader and jimtellifeed, maybe the other versions of intellifeed too.

[ballhaller7]

angels are mechanically capped at 31bps, vikings and cyborgs can reach 40+cps fame all you want. Notice wdp changed there motto from "Worlds fastest marker" to "worlds most advanced marker". Acually cockers with the mq valve (eliminates the sear tripper) are the worlds fastest markers however not too many peopel are going to jump up and buy an e2 mq'ed cocker for $1000 when they can get there hyped up dm, timmy, angel etc. for alittle more. When it boils down an ion can really do the job required for tourny play(15.4bps)

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

When it boils down an ion can really do the job required for tourny play(15.4bps)
And ironicly enough I bunkered/ass raped a guy with an ion at a local tourney today with 10 rounds less than 6 feet away when I went for a slid.

[Carapace]

30bps in a tourney is the difference between a wipe and spray painting a mother F'er orange.

The difference is them walking off.....or them getting the#ucK off YOUR field.

I perfer that latter in both instances as responses.


HOLY §§§§ING §§§§! BEST QUOTE EVER!!! ESANDOV FTW!!! :tup:

[Carapace]

only 2 i know of that can do that is q-loader and jimtellifeed, maybe the other versions of intellifeed too.


i've actually seen a pimped out halo w/ cheetah board do 32 consistant... for a couple seconds...

[Presto333]

HOLY §§§§ING §§§§! BEST QUOTE EVER!!! ESANDOV FTW!!! :tup:

haha hell ya, thaz wut im talkin about.

[ballhaller7]

And ironicly enough I bunkered/ass raped a guy with an ion at a local tourney today with 10 rounds less than 6 feet away when I went for a slid.
that all boils down to your skill. Youi honestly dont believe that your a better player because you shot an angel now do you? If thats so then angel must be the worst gun on the market because its the gun that lanch was useing when they broke up, arsenal is horrible, an jd is nowhere. And dynasty has an ion but now that they lost ollie xsv is gonna own

[Presto333]

that all boils down to your skill. Youi honestly dont believe that your a better player because you shot an angel now do you? If thats so then angel must be the worst gun on the market because its the gun that lanch was useing when they broke up, arsenal is horrible, an jd is nowhere. And dynasty has an ion but now that they lost ollie xsv is gonna own

Rage is owning fools and they shoot angels. arsenal and jd aren't the best but r certainly improving all the time. Dynasty was a team effort not a one man thing. xsv will still do good. and watch out for ironmen, they where alrdy pretty good and now they picked up ollie...

[Carapace]

that all boils down to your skill. Youi honestly dont believe that your a better player because you shot an angel now do you? If thats so then angel must be the worst gun on the market because its the gun that lanch was useing when they broke up, arsenal is horrible, an jd is nowhere. And dynasty has an ion but now that they lost ollie xsv is gonna own


How wrong you are, fanboy...

Russian legion just wooped the §§§§ out of XSV at the texas open 10-3

get your facts straight before you go spouting off at the keyboard...

Federov even sprained one of his trigger fingers in the process of making a dive...

[DarkCataclysm]

My take on Angels and WDP...

Angel makes the best marker in the world. At 31 bps who honestly needs

faster? Sure some markers may cycle faster but I unlike some people I don't

judge a marker simply by cycle speed. Look what Angel has done with their

markers. They have sleek stylish lines, the construction is solid, durable, and

able to take punishment, and the technology is outstanding. I have shot and

owned many other markers but nothing compares to Angel marker quality.

Angel leads the paintball industry in innovation and technology, and yet they

still manage to raise the bar higher setting trends that others to try to

emulate. As a company they don't just produce markers, they listen to the

customer and give them what they want. After you purchase a marker,

company service doesn't end there, warranty fixes are taken care of

promptly. If you have a problem with your marker a quick search of the web

reveals AOG. I have to say; out of all the paintball forums out there AOG has

the greatest group of people willing to bend over backwards to help you fix

your marker. The Master Techs are totally committed to making great

upgrades and they give unparalleled support.


Final Thought

“There are plenty of "nice" markers out there, but if you simply want the best, go with WDP because their markers, service, and support community are far superior.”

Dark Cataclysm

[Carapace]

My take on Angels and WDP...

Angel makes the best marker in the world. At 31 bps who honestly needs

faster? Sure some markers may cycle faster but I unlike some people I don't

judge a marker simply by cycle speed. Look what Angel has done with their

markers. They have sleek stylish lines, the construction is solid, durable, and

able to take punishment, and the technology is outstanding. I have shot and

owned many other markers but nothing compares to Angel marker quality.

Angel leads the paintball industry in innovation and technology, and yet they

still manage to raise the bar higher setting trends that others to try to

emulate. As a company they don't just produce markers, they listen to the

customer and give them what they want. After you purchase a marker,

company service doesn't end there, warranty fixes are taken care of

promptly. If you have a problem with your marker a quick search of the web

reveals AOG. I have to say; out of all the paintball forums out there AOG has

the greatest group of people willing to bend over backwards to help you fix

your marker. The Master Techs are totally committed to making great

upgrades and they give unparalleled support.


Final Thought

“There are plenty of "nice" markers out there, but if you simply want the best, go with WDP because their markers, service, and support community are far superior.”

Dark Cataclysm


WELL, SAID! :patriot: Salute!

[solid snake]

Well first,

Let's see the 06 Cyborg shoot that with paint consistantly like our angels are capable of:evilgrin: Yeah, probably wont happen.

But you guys outta be kidding me.
Remember 2003 when shock tech put their custom board in all their markers (Original shocktech timmy, shocktech bushmaster, shocktech matrix.)

Shocktech claimed that all their markers( timmy, bushmaster, matrix. ), with their custom board, could shoot 66.6 balls per second with paint. Even their bushmaster which we all no can cycle nowhere near that fast.

Funny thing is, i can go out there and claim my old model 98 can shoot 12380 bps and SOME OF YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT!

Way to Represent the WDP community guys,

JoeBethuy

[Presto333]

Funny thing is, i can go out there and claim my old model 98 can shoot 12380 bps and SOME OF YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT!

Way to Represent the WDP community guys,

JoeBethuy

AWESOME, my buddies ion can only do half of that. you must be able to shoot soo fast. Prolly use a lot of co2 up huh?...

:neutral:
Edit: almost forgot to be kool and put my name at the end

PrestonRodriguez

[solid snake]

that all boils down to your skill. Youi honestly dont believe that your a better player because you shot an angel now do you? If thats so then angel must be the worst gun on the market because its the gun that lanch was useing when they broke up, arsenal is horrible, an jd is nowhere. And dynasty has an ion but now that they lost ollie xsv is gonna own

Wow, looks like we have a 100% full-proof moron. I'd hate to flame, but sometimes such as this case in particular, it is to be expected and deserved

Read up on your stuff man. WDP DROPPED AVALANCHE; Lanche DID NOT drop WDP..

I'll tell you what. I only feel confident playing with 3 markers. Yeah, three markers:

-Angel G7's and the A4 FLY's
- ION's
- And Model 98's, both the mechanical and the new custom E.

All of those guns are extremely reliable once broken in/set right. Plus as we all know, the angel is the fastest cycling marker in paintball ( not that it matters too much when you are playing tournaments or even recball these days. As MOST OF YOU KNOW, even in recball 15 bps caps are starting to pop up everywhere. Saves the insurance companies alot of hassle. ) and thats just a nice little plus.

Not to mention the Master Techs are the best guys I've ever dealt with in the paintball industry. I've been a long time customer of Ken Crane and he has always set me and my equippment straight. I'm sure some of the time he wanted to beat me over the head with a brick for tinkering with my equippment when i have too much time on my hands, but that's understandable and he has always looked out for me b4 i made a purchase.

Bottom line: I shoot those 3 markers for RELIABILITY. Nothing is worse than a marker that is down all the time or that is chopping/breaking paint constantly.

And yes, you're a better player WHEN YOU ARE CONFIDENT IN YOUR EQUIPPMENT.

[RevBubba]

Well first,

Let's see the 06 Cyborg shoot that with paint consistantly like our angels are capable of:evilgrin: Yeah, probably wont happen.

But you guys outta be kidding me.
Remember 2003 when shock tech put their custom board in all their markers (Original shocktech timmy, shocktech bushmaster, shocktech matrix.)

Shocktech claimed that all their markers( timmy, bushmaster, matrix. ), with their custom board, could shoot 66.6 balls per second with paint. Even their bushmaster which we all no can cycle nowhere near that fast.

Funny thing is, i can go out there and claim my old model 98 can shoot 12380 bps and SOME OF YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT!

Way to Represent the WDP community guys,

JoeBethuy

Well the 06 Cyborg does shoot very consistently as well as fast.

[WDP ir3 2k3]

I know angels can shoot faster then 31 they just got it cap. Who needs it anyfaster tho. Anyways im not a big fan of how that gun looks

[Luc]

Well its not liek one is better its more personal preference(sp). I prefer macdev guns to angels, I am not saying one is better then the other, its just what I prefer, so thats why I have already saved up money for a 06 cyborg. Realy the two guns preform basically the same as do a lot a high end guns so you can't realy say ones better then the other.

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

that all boils down to your skill. Youi honestly dont believe that your a better player because you shot an angel now do you? If thats so then angel must be the worst gun on the market because its the gun that lanch was useing when they broke up, arsenal is horrible, an jd is nowhere. And dynasty has an ion but now that they lost ollie xsv is gonna own
Well an Angel has better firing rates that are considtant, and plus I have NEVER EVER SHOT A GUN THAT CAN SHOOT 2000 ROUNDS WITHOUT ONE CHOP EXCEPCT AN ANGEL!! Angels have the easiest maintance than any other marker; you can throw one around literally (I wouldn't do it though) and it will still work, and also they can go through hell and back and still work (look at my gun it has a lot of scratches on the side from sliding and stuff, and this baby can out shoot any other gun, because it is an ANGEL). Aresnal, Rage and Joy Division are good teams because they are atleast in the top 10 teams in the world (that says something). NPPL 7 2005 Arsenal got 6, Joy Division got 7 and Rage got 10 (also Avalanche got 4th while shooting an Angel). So next time before you start judgeing markers and players GET THE FACTS FIRST!!

[paintreliever]

my rasta used go through many a cases without chopping
everyonce in a while tho, i would break in the barrel do to dirt getting in there

[pbchris]

Lets not forget AKA guys. I know they dont really make guns anymore but come on. They are still very consistent. Dont get me wrong. The G7's we used at PSP were the only guns we didnt have problems w/ other than one shocker. they all jsut died in cold weather.

[solid snake]

AKA guns are awesome. I should add them to my list, but Noone uses them around me usually and I've heard some horror stories about AKA Staff