I installed my Tadao and now my eyes don't work?

[Bunkerman]

I got my new Tadao board and I could'nt be happier with it, unfortunatly I encountered a problem during installation though. I was painstakingly careful while installing it, but my eye, solenoid and switch wires were in a big jumbled ball when I took my frame off. This is the first time I have had my gun open and in order to get to the connectors I had to untangle all the wiring. Now when I shoot my gun with paint/air, after 2-3 shots my eyes go into 'eye malfunction' mode. I think the eye ribbon cable was damaged during the untangling process, but I can't see any kinks, pinches, nothing, even under a magnifying glass. I don't have a spare set of eyes and no one in the city has any replacements in stock either. I have a heavy practice schedule and I'm going to play tommorow without eyes, but I really really need to get this fixed. Is there some way to try and diagnose this problem better? It seems to be an eye related problem, but my ribbon is in, at least outwardly, what appears to be perfect condition. I had to take me left eye cover off as well so I could examine the ribbon underneath it and the eye cover plate screw is giving me the 'not going in very well i'm going to strip on you any second now' feeling. I have tons of taps at work here (we do alot of metalwork) but No Metric Taps! :( can someone give me the threading on these screws so I can try and track one down? Thanks guys, the board is amazing, I need to get it at 100% though!

[muppetmowerpb]

did you take the eyes out? Angel eyes(or any ribbon wires for that matter) have a problem for breaking easly. To avoid this problem i highly suggest you buy some pred laser eyes. they use wires and work a whole lot better. Had some some on my fly before I sold it and they worked great. And for $35 there cheaper that the wdp stuff plus these acually have a warrenty and take it the fly is discontinued you nolonger have a warrenty to void so your set. Go with quality not propanganda.

[GMG Force Fly]

Put your old board back in and see if they work.

[Bunkerman]

I'll be doing the swap to the old board in a few hours once I am off work.

My gun is an 06 speed/Gat, I don't think the TAG eyes will fit in my eye holes, and I don't think they have a ribbon connector on them to plug into my tadao board, can anyone tell me if I am wrong here? I would definetly prefer non-ribbon eyes! I have seen them do nothing but break on shockers, protos, impulses, etc...

[JeffW]

I'll be doing the swap to the old board in a few hours once I am off work.

My gun is an 06 speed/Gat, I don't think the TAG eyes will fit in my eye holes, and I don't think they have a ribbon connector on them to plug into my tadao board, can anyone tell me if I am wrong here? I would definetly prefer non-ribbon eyes! I have seen them do nothing but break on shockers, protos, impulses, etc...

You're right, the Tag eyes(DM harness) will only work on the Tag board.

[Who?]

did you take the eyes out? Angel eyes(or any ribbon wires for that matter) have a problem for breaking easly. To avoid this problem i highly suggest you buy some pred laser eyes. they use wires and work a whole lot better. Had some some on my fly before I sold it and they worked great. And for $35 there cheaper that the wdp stuff plus these acually have a warrenty and take it the fly is discontinued you nolonger have a warrenty to void so your set. Go with quality not propanganda.

lol, My eyes are over a year old. I have removed them many times to clean, and never had a problem. You should not be pulling on the wires anyways and you will not break them. Use the smallest allen in your kit to push the eyes through if you ever need to remove them.

[KEN CRANE]

did you take the eyes out? Angel eyes(or any ribbon wires for that matter) have a problem for breaking easly. To avoid this problem i highly suggest you buy some pred laser eyes. they use wires and work a whole lot better. Had some some on my fly before I sold it and they worked great. And for $35 there cheaper that the wdp stuff plus these acually have a warrenty and take it the fly is discontinued you nolonger have a warrenty to void so your set. Go with quality not propanganda.

obviously you have no clue as to what your talking about. when you figure out how to put pred eyes on a wdp board let us all know. he asked for help not your sarcasim.

ok it does sound like the eye ribbon has been damaged in some way. our board will indicate the yellow/red eye failure if they were damaged.the wdp eye ribbon is way better than the dm style so propaganda it must be.by the way muppetmower, you might want to do some electronic homework and find out what is wrong with the blue end of the light spectrum for detecting movement, such as ball detection.

[muppetmowerpb]

obviously you have no clue as to what your talking about. when you figure out how to put pred eyes on a wdp board let us all know. he asked for help not your sarcasim.

ok it does sound like the eye ribbon has been damaged in some way. our board will indicate the yellow/red eye failure if they were damaged.the wdp eye ribbon is way better than the dm style so propaganda it must be.by the way muppetmower, you might want to do some electronic homework and find out what is wrong with the blue end of the light spectrum for detecting movement, such as ball detection.
http://www.theangelguy.com/productinfo.php?cPath=1&products_id=13&osCsid=1f05b7e7ca25e7fe629f60860c4e60a0

worked pretty good for me. better than the wdp style. if there so great why will wdp be making the wire eyes here within the next few years? by blue end if your talking about the lasers it just an led and does not affect performance. Since tadao only offers the ribbon plug you can always order an adaptor the goes wire to ribbon so you can use it with your tadao. homework pssh i know from experiance with different products not only wdp stuff. try not to be so negitive about other companys products because i could be twice as negitive about yours

wdp eyes= :piss2: :angel:
the angel guy eyes= :blasting:

[KEN CRANE]

http://www.theangelguy.com/productinfo.php?cPath=1&products_id=13&osCsid=1f05b7e7ca25e7fe629f60860c4e06a0

worked pretty good for me. better than the wdp style. if there so great why will wdp be making the wire eyes here within the next few years? by blue end if your talking about the lasers it just an led and does not affect performance. Since tadao only offers the ribbon plug you can always order an adaptor the goes wire to ribbon so you can use it with your tadao. homework pssh i know from experiance with different products not only wdp stuff. try not to be so negitive about other companys products because i could be twice as negitive about yours

wdp eyes= :piss2: :angel:
the angel guy eyes= :blasting:

ok first , you didnt answer the question. how can you use dm4 eyes on a wdp board? as well the gun would need to be milled to fit the 3 mm eyes into the side of the body and add a deeper channel for the wire fit in the grip frame. you posted a picture of a frm board not a wdp board. and i can tell you this wdp will not be using dm4 eyes. not to be a smart ass but your experience is wrong. the led is just that but the color of the spectrum is either a good color (no visiable light to just the darker side of red.) from that point it degrades the recievers ability to accept the signal.. i am in no way being negitive about somone elses product i am just pointing out the facts.

[muppetmowerpb]

they make them in red aswell. If you are refering to all dm eyes liek that then explain why dm4's do not chop and angels have that problem?

[KEN CRANE]

they make them in red aswell. If you are refering to all dm eyes liek that then explain why dm4's do not chop and angels have that problem?

i am not sure what you are refering to as dms chop paint just as any gun does when things are not right. most reciever side software is tuned to true ir signals infra red to redish in the spectrum. as you get darker the reciever actualy starts to flood with dirty light beyond its tuned wave length. this is hardware controled via software.example would be that if paint or dirt were to get onto the eyes on a blue visable led it would be less focused and difuse the light. its really simple but complicated at the same time. lets end this becuse its going no where.

[GMG Force Fly]

Ken I have a question for you, were you using the stock phototransistor when you tried blue?

[Mavrick]

I think I can help Ken out here a little. I get paid for this EE stuff for a living so here is a little bit for free. LED diodes are tuned when manufactured to specific windows of transmittance. I.E. wavelengths of the light band. In most cases the "window" is within 100nm of specific spectrum. Therefore the collector would need to be tuned for the emitted light source. Now in most industrial uses we use light in the near red spectrum or UV. In these wavelengths we have the best saturation and better tuned diodes and collector matches. The light in this part of the spectrum also saturates much better. For all remote controls slated for home use are they not IR? There is a sound reason for that. Less interference caused by outside factors including stray light. (Hint: sunlight covers the whole light spectrum including what you can’t see!) Just because your naked eye sees something as bright or better suited does not mean in an electronic world that that is true! So design wise knowing what WDP has done with their eyes I would say on a professional engineering level their choices are sound and correct. They used matched components for the best sensitivity, in the right range period. Although the ribbon cable is fragile (I know I have broken one to!) it still is better engineering than wires floating around. I looked at the mod you referred to by TAG. I see a heaver rubber strap on the sides that to me would get caught easier to protect their wires. Your assumption of fitting any board is flat out wrong. Their eyes will only fit their board. If you have their eyes installed the hole would need to be opened up for the TAG eyes and you would never again be able to go back to WDP product. Well not without some other tinkering. Pretty lame if you ask me. I would think a good design would be to allow the use of other product to work with your own, transference in a limited market place. Well someone didn’t think that one through very well I see.
In closing, Muppetmowerpb get your facts right before you post. A very famous man said. " It is always better to keep your mouth closed, than to open it and let everyone know how st^@id you really are."

I think this lesson is over….. Ken back to you!

[RangerJoe]

Quote:"In closing, Muppetmowerpb get your facts right before you post. A very famous man said. " It is always better to keep your mouth closed, than to open it and let everyone know how st^@id you really are."UnQuote

I second that^^

[KEN CRANE]

Quote:"In closing, Muppetmowerpb get your facts right before you post. A very famous man said. " It is always better to keep your mouth closed, than to open it and let everyone know how st^@id you really are."UnQuote

I second that^^


thanks rick, that made it much easier for everone else to understand. end of thread.