STD JDS LPR Review

[RevBubba]

Well the STD JDS arrived and I couldn't wait to get it on. I inspected the reg closely and I must say I am impressed with the fit and finish on it. No burrs, rough edges or tool marks...very clean work.

With the old LPR in my Force Fly I shot about 25 shots over the chrony averaging and honest +/-5 for my shots fired. I did not have a ballistics chrony available to check consistency of the string shot to shot...but slow shot average was noted.

I used the WDP Fly manual for help in removing my stock LPR. I love the Angel manuals and all the informative pictures. Since I had a Force Fly I needed to remove the LPR retaining cap, shims, spring pack, and brass plunger. Then I removed the ASA adaptor in order to get to the retaining pin that holds the lower half of the stock LPR in place.

Installing the JDS was very easy once the stock LPR was removed. I simply put some oil in the holes on the JDS reg... and lubed the o-rings on the lower body that screws into the marker. Then I simple screwed the JDS into the marker (using my hands and turning the outside of the JDS body ...not the adjustment cap using an Allen Key)until it would not go in any further and the bottom of the upper JDS body was sitting against the marker body front.

I put some oil through my marker and shot a tank of air through the marker to help oil the new JDS LPR fully and to get the JDS worn in a bit.

I then fired some paint across a red chrony. I had fired the marker with the same paint, barrel, hopper and temp as the previous test 30 minutes before. The reading this time shot to shot were +/-2

I was impressed that the consistency got better right off the mark. I believe that the true test for this JDS will come when I use a ballistics chrony to measure fast strings of shots. I hope to see almost no slow shoot down and better shot to shot consistency. I believe that my Intellifeed Tadao'd Fly will be able to shoot fast enough to record any variations in shot to shot consistency in fast strings.

My test marker is an Angel Force Fly with:
Tadao board
Evolve ram
AKA 2 Litre inline
Legionnaire tank
Laser eyes
MT Magnetic trigger mod

All of the other components of this marker are able to flow a lot of air so no other part of the upstream air flow will be hindered before it gets to the LPR.

I will do more testing at a later date.

My simple evaluation.....very well made, easily adjustable, consistent, and simpler to remove or repair. I think it is a nice bit of kit and to me is worth the cost.

Nice piece of work Dan and Crew @ STD

[Pontiaccer]

RevBubba I love reading your comments. Used to follow you in the AKA forums.

How are you setting the LPR as a gauge isn't possible? Turn it up till it cycles, then turn it up at the chrono till FPS stops rising ( sort of similiar to Matrix)?

[RevBubba]

To be honest I wanted the JDS set at 60 psi as that is what my stock LPR was set at. So I asked Dan to set it for that when he sent me the LPR.

The factory LPR setting is 65 though so minor tweeking up and down from that starting point is pretty easy. I am getting an adaptor made up to fit into the small fitting in the marker body.

You could also set it the way you suggested I assume.

[RonnyMcDYO]

Just wondering...are you expecting this LPR to get worn out like the stock WDP ones? and if so does it have a longer life or do we not know yet?

[paintreliever]

sounds good so far
might be investing some money soon

[RangerJoe]

Would i have any problmes with this if i was running my gun at 250 fps(indoor)?
thanks

[RevBubba]

I doubt it...the LPR will probably outflow you inline.

The JDS will keep up....I run my Force Fly @195 and it works fine.

[RangerJoe]

wait your running your fly at 195 fps or pressure? lol

[XLPaintball]

can someone do an unbiased review now?

[muppetmowerpb]

^^how is that biast? Aaron K. Alexander(akalmp) made those. He makes some of the best products on the world (including the viking-what the angel should have been- and excalibur). try one out. in sure i will be better than the stock angel lpr that uses out of date shims(rofl) to control the low pressure. my angel will shorty have one of these

[RevBubba]

I doubt it...the LPR will probably outflow you inline.

The JDS will keep up....I run my Force Fly @195 and it works fine.


Brain fart on my Part!

I misread the post...I thought it was 250 psi that was meant.

I see no reason why the JDS would not keep up at a lower inline pressure that would indicate a lpower fps.

[RevBubba]

can someone do an unbiased review now?

So exactly HOW is my review BIASED?

What are you getting at XL? I am REALLY looking forward to your explaination...so please enlighten me.

[Presto333]

nice review, wut about a price or a website for this?

Edit: nvm, found it http://www.stdindustry.com/

[Squishy OWNS YOU!!]

So the new style is the 04 speed? But would it really make a difference for us who have 04 speeds with the fly conversion?

[RevBubba]

Would it make difference?

Yes it would it makes your LPR adjustable and have a fater recharge rate. Also it is a self compensating reg...so when your tank pressure gets low or you lower your HP reg to lower velocity for playing indoors...the LPR will NOT change as it does with a single stage LPR. When pressure gets low the LPR will not change its settings and will stay true to whatever it was set to. No single stage reg will do this regardless opf who makes it.

This will NOT lower the pressure that the ram needs to operate. This is not a device to make the marker easier on paint by changing ram pressure. However if you do mods to your hammer, ram etc to allow the marker to be more gentle on paint...this LPR will allow you to make lowering your LPR pressure MUCH easier.

[XLPaintball]

So exactly HOW is my review BIASED?

What are you getting at XL? I am REALLY looking forward to your explaination...so please enlighten me.

Mr. Bubba,

You are personal friends with Dan Voils, therefore your review is bias. Simple!

[muppetmowerpb]

Mr. Bubba,

You are personal friends with Dan Voils, therefore your review is bias. Simple!
thats not biast. Whats biast ae the ken crane/wdp/mt/whatever fan boys falling in love with all the products when your person friends with him. Im not cracking on eather but im just saying the kencrane/wdp/mt's dont make the best products but you guys make over them like there the best. AKA makes some good stuff, probably the best performing guns made and they acually devolpe upgrades for there products (unlike wdp), so i absoultly this product ill be of the upmost amount of quality. dont criticize just because a corporate company starts to go down the drain so they brainwash there users about superior rate of fire. if the angel was so great then why change the design. the angel is one of the best designs its just not executed well enough. hell im sure wdp already has the first 3 generations of the new platform. might aswell just give them the money. go donate to wdp. as owen had told me once, "you have to be your own man and make your own choices" that was back when i was a fan boy. then i became smart and stoped. open your mind

[hodge1]

I actually agree with alot of what you said, except for this statement.

"AKA makes some good stuff, probably the best performing guns made and they acually devolpe upgrades for there products (unlike wdp)"

The MT's have released many upgrades from software to the latest valve rework. That is not to say an independent company could not make a better upgrade. The performance of the upgrade will always speak louder than the name of the company that makes it. As they say, "The proof is in the pudding". I'm sure if these LPR's do what they say, they will be a big hit.

[RevBubba]

Mr. Bubba,

You are personal friends with Dan Voils, therefore your review is bias. Simple!

Simple is as simple does it seems.

As I have never met Dan Voils, talked on the phone to Dan Voils ( except maybe once when I called AKA to talk to Larry...Dan might have answered the phone but I did not know even who he was at that time) I doubt I could be considered a personal friend of Dan Voils.

To be honest the closest I have ever been with Dan Voils is that we both mod on an AKA forum together and e-mail concerning that forum about once a month max.

I do not consider myself a personal friend of Larry Alexander yet I have met him in person, had him buy me a couple meals, worked the AKA booth with him and talked to him many times on the phone. I doubt Larry would consider our relationship any more than aquaintances. I have also spent hours talking on thephone to Eileen as well so I guess I must now be considered a long time Alexander family friend.

However, if you want to blame me of being biased please feel free to do just that everytime I say something positive about AKA markers since I am obviously very good personal friends with Larry and Eileen according to your definition.

So please get your facts CORRECT next time.

As far as my review, if the facts are accurate and they are then I think it can be taken at face value.

[RangerJoe]

Rev great review but i was wondering you are using teh evlove lite kit(which is the light hammer and stuff?) and if you were having any problems casue i was goin to get the JDS lpr and the evlove lite kit...so just wondering if it will be a good combiniation. thanks

[RangerJoe]

oh also is it hard to get both pressures set up right because the evlove needs certain pressures (i cecked evlove's site for the manual). It seems that it will be difficult to get all the preesures right for diferent reasons. Like for the evolve lite kit it says '1.Set the air system output to between 450 and 800 psi"
2.Set inline reg to 300 psi.
3.Shim the lpr down to between 30 and 50 psi,depentdent on marker"(this is where im wonderin how it will be done, like i know how to add/remove shims but it will be different on the JDS)
4.Set dwell on the gun to 1 from lowest.
then the rest is how to adjust the velocity with the screw at end of newton. again just wonderin how it wil be done. if you could help me out a bit.
Thanks

[chulas]

oh also is it hard to get both pressures set up right because the evlove needs certain pressures (i cecked evlove's site for the manual). It seems that it will be difficult to get all the preesures right for diferent reasons. Like for the evolve lite kit it says '1.Set the air system output to between 450 and 800 psi"
2.Set inline reg to 300 psi.
3.Shim the lpr down to between 30 and 50 psi,depentdent on marker"(this is where im wonderin how it will be done, like i know how to add/remove shims but it will be different on the JDS)
4.Set dwell on the gun to 1 from lowest.
then the rest is how to adjust the velocity with the screw at end of newton. again just wonderin how it wil be done. if you could help me out a bit.
Thanks

I have ordera JDS and an evolve light kit. I do not see why they woudl not work well together. The part that you will have to solve for your self (and i will for myself) will be translating making the adjustments to the evolve LPR cap to adjusting the JDS. I might end up also getting a Rock-O-Meter and a 5m hose barb. (i think 5m is the grub srew on the body air passage?)

In any event i will post here my findings of the combination of the two.

[yooler]

serously just mess around with your lpr untill it shoots how you want it. You dont have to use evolves settings. Good review too i might buy one now.

[RangerJoe]

Thanks guys just wanted to know what settings/pressures rev is working wth becaus i belive he has the lpr and evlove lite kit.

[RangerJoe]

Guys srry im posting alot just wanted to know. I did order it today.. Another question....You adjust kpr pressure by the end of the lpr(the hole at end.. im guessing you turn rgiht to increase and left to decrese preessure) so then your velocity is still adjusted by teh velocity screw..But how exactly will we now our lpr presseru? i belive rev said it it 65psi from factory... so do we estimate every quarter turn it rasies the lpr pressure say.5 psi(just throwing a number out) just wondering so im set after i install it.
Thanks for all your help guys. aprreciated.:peace:

[chulas]

there is not easy way (to my knowledge) of how to check the output pressure of the JDS. There is no gauge port, on the JDS (only from pics, any one with one back or deny this?) or on the gun body. However there is the M5 grub srew at the very front center and rear center of the gun. They plug the ends of the air passage the runs the length of the body to get air from the LPR output tot he Selonoid. I plan on taking one of these out and putting in a M5 hose barb. Then get a gauge that woudl be uses to test cocker LPRs to set the pressure. The replacing the grub screww when done. If you like i will also try my best to calibrate the LPR. i dunno how well it will work with only one to test but.... i will try to come up with a number, 1/4 turn = Xpsi.

[RevBubba]

xhulas...this is also what I plan on doing.

You can set your LPr the same way you do with a Matrix though. All you need is a chront. Keep iinline pressure the same as you used before your STD JDS LPR was installed. Then, lower your STD LPR pressure until the marker will not fire. Slowly increase LPR pressure until the marker starts to fire properly..then keep adjusting the LPR checking the velocity over a chrony until the velocity stops increaseing...this is the optimal setting for your marker set up.

Settings using gauges are fairly arbitrary and as all WDP folks know (at least) that each marker is not exactly alike. A certain pressure that works perfectly causes huge problems in another marker. Using the metod above you will get the best LPR settings for your marker.

This method is how I set up my marker after installing the Evolve Ram and Hammer.

[RangerJoe]

Ohhh so basicly i keep my inline pressure same then just slowily increse untill it fires fine.. Oh so there is really nothing hard to do when i get my evolve lite kit.
Also how would i adjust velocity if i had evolve lite kit? (i beilive they said the screw at end of volumizer they give you?
Thanks rev for your help my gun is gunna rip with this lpr and evolve lite kit.
( i ordered my jds lpr yesterday :D)

[RangerJoe]

I ordered my JDS LPR on the 27(friday) anyone know when it will come? its coming prority mail from STD. CAnt wait till it comes lol

[chulas]

I got my from ASP (www.airsoldier.com)
i just gotta go pick it up.

[chulas]

So i got my JDS LPR. Loks very nice. Very easy install. I have placed it in my SPeed Demon. I was able to turn it down about 1 and 1/2 turns from teh factory setting and still get consistant cycling. I will take it to athe chrono tonite.

[SpeedFreak05]

so like is all you do is unscrew the cap on the front of the gun and screw the std jds lpr in like a volumizer? and if i screw it in it goes on the left (when holding it) correct?

[RangerJoe]

You have to completly take out your stock LPR(if you are unsure read manual) Then grease o-rings and screw it on. Its stock 65 psi but you can turn it down untill it deosnt cycle then slowly raise it untill it is cycling properly

[SpeedFreak05]

so basically you have nothing inside the lpr tube anymore and then screw on cap..

[RangerJoe]

yes you have nothing in the tube. also take out the stick LPR pin and put it in a safe place you wont need it wiht teh JDS LPR. And what cap are your talking about?

[solid snake]

one question guys.

Im stoked to buy one of these im sick of messing around with the shim system. However,

When i send my marker to an MT to get servicing or a tune-up, will they still tech my marker.
I was here back in late 2003-mid 2004 when the MT's openly admitted they would not tech any angel with "HK Technology or the original Predator Mod ( The full $350 install )". I wonder if the same applies with the JDS.

Thanks

[WDP Shooter]

You have to completly take out your stock LPR(if you are unsure read manual) Then grease o-rings and screw it on. Its stock 65 psi but you can turn it down untill it deosnt cycle then slowly raise it untill it is cycling properly

I dont think it is as easy as this. You will need a chrono. It is like setting the old matrixes. You need to up the lpr until it stops affecting the velocity, then it is set. if you just set it to cycle, chances are the velocity will be very low, as with trixes, adn then typically people over compensate by upping the reg to bring velocity back up... thats bad.

so you must turn the lpr in slowly checking every 1/4 turn or so. once you get it cycling, bring it to a chrono and test it. continue to turn it in by 1/4 turn and check velocity by firing a few shots to equalize the change and check velocity, each 1/4 turn follow the procedure to check velocity until you see that the 1/4 turn doesnt change the velocity any more. This is NOT the way to adjust your velocity in your angel with this mod, it is the way to set the lpr. Which also doesnt mean it is a "set it and forget it" mod. when I have dealt with these constantly compensating LPRs, youneed to recheck it every so often for optimal performance, especially if you play out in the cold, then play indoors in the warmth, as well as, throughout the season outdoors. I am sure it is high quality but you would be sureprised that you will have to turn it in or out as much as a full turn within a season of play based on temperature fluctuations, i.e. bitter cold winters and hot humid summers.

I do not have THIS LPR mod for my angel, THIS is my experience from this mod on other markers...

If the ANGEL version is different, let me know, I may consider buying it, if the same, it is just another mod that could become a hassle at the wrong times.

[solid snake]

any answer to my above question, i need to order asap so its in by the weekend.

thanks guys

[WDP Shooter]

one question guys.

Im stoked to buy one of these im sick of messing around with the shim system. However,

When i send my marker to an MT to get servicing or a tune-up, will they still tech my marker.
I was here back in late 2003-mid 2004 when the MT's openly admitted they would not tech any angel with "HK Technology or the original Predator Mod ( The full $350 install )". I wonder if the same applies with the JDS.

Thanks

I would assume it is ok. The predator mod was a complete change to the angels with board, eyes, milling, etc... best to call an MT like Ken Crane, or the guys at Impact, but I doubt it would be a problem, especially since Ken sells the Evolve kit which adds an adjustable LPR, new hammer, etc...

[_slash_]

nice review danbo. How can i try one of these out in my gat? :notsure:

-nic

[WDP Shooter]

nice review danbo. How can i try one of these out in my gat? :notsure:

-nic

U can pick one up here
STD Industries (http://www.stdindustry.com/JLANinfo.htm)

[esandov]

Thanks for the info. Nice Review.

[Deanomatic]

Now, this looks like a great booster for my old A4, but how much would i benefit from it on a G7 Fly ?

Or is all it does add a little weight and the (admittedly GREAT feature) LPR key adjusting?

Im asking simply cos WDP stated that they improved a lot on the internal airflow on the G7 series :)

[chulas]

the improvved air flow is a larger hole in the piston. I did not see any other difference. The big advantages of the the JDS is the pressure compensating, realy fast rechagre, and very good consistancy.

[esandov]

Saw the old JDS-like LPR for the viking...looks nice and compact. Performance on the viking was rock solid. May heavily consider one of these bad boys.

[Blister]

when are they gonna get around to finishing the ones for the 'Old' Angel models? I have heard from several people here they are in process, but is there an estimated finish date? I am sick of messing with all those stupid belleville washers in the stock LPR assembly and this mod would be a godsend for all my Angels.

[RevBubba]

I am not sure which Angels you are refering to....

STD has the JDS LPR out for both the high and low pressure WDP markers. Drop them an e-mail and ask.

[Blister]

I am not sure which Angels you are refering to....

My LCD and LED to be precise at to which Angels.

STD has the JDS LPR out for both the high and low pressure WDP markers. Drop them an e-mail and ask.

I didn't see them when I was at the site, which was right before I posted the question. I will check again. All else fails, I'll mug Dan next time I see him:watchout:

[triumph_013]

so...is there any difference between this and the aka lpr?

[patdow1]

Is STD still in business?
I'm trying to purchase a LPR for my 05 Speed and they haven't responded to any of my attempts to contact them via e-mail.

[lipe33]

STD is still in business. I just bought two LPRs for my two newest Angels. The recently purchased a new field and have been busy getting it ready. That is what I was told when I called. Excellent product. Well worth every penny.

[patdow1]

Hopefully I can reach them via telephone. LOL

If you don't mind me asking how much did you pay for your LPR shipped?

[DB-1071]

Hopefully I can reach them via telephone. LOL

If you don't mind me asking how much did you pay for your LPR shipped?

Don't bother I TRIED to buy two of them from STD like two to three months ago and after 3-4 weeks of calling them and them telling me they have been shipped,nothing.So I call them and asked for the tracking number and after two more days of talking with the co-owner of STD I said look if you didn't ship them out I'd like a refund and I'll buy them somewhere else he said he was sure that after 3-4 weeks he was sure that they'd been shipped out,but one day later I had a Pay-Pal e-mail that I had a refund from STD pending,so i say if the co-owner of the company dosen't know what's going on at the company he co-owns don't buy from that company.Ended up just getting 2 AKA SCM III's they do the same jod as the JDS but just a bit smaller and a little less to.;)
Edit:Just remembered I had this link to this thread from the Nation,nope it helps you out man.: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=33404977

[lipe33]

I think I payed around $75 shipped. I had the same problem with shipping, but I was in no hurry to get them. I didn't wait as long, but there was a slight delay. All in all, I still recommend them.

[patdow1]

Thanks for the heads up guys!
I really don't mind waiting for a product, but a 3-4 week turnaroud for shipment of product is just a little too long of a wait for me.
I'll just look into the AKA SCM III's.

[patdow1]

I received my AKA LPR and I played over the weekend and I must say that this is definately a must have mod! I noticed a huge difference in the way my 05 Speed performed under rapid rate of fire. :blasting:

[angelpumpman]

Has anybody drill a 1/8-27 NPT hole into the STD LPR to put a regulator plug and maybe a microgauge to measure the adjusting pressure?. Could it be done without damaging the LPR? Or something like it. I changed the mini reg to a high pressure reg with the CP adapter and placed a micro gauge to measure the pressure going into the LPR and I will like to know the pressure going into the solenoid. The factory default pressure is set at 65 psi (range 30-150), but is'nt that the maximum pressure for the solenoid. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[hodge1]

Boostmonkey makes a gage that screws into the back of yourgun and can read the LPR pressure.

[yps]

I use the jds lpr evolve lite kit and cp reg . The boost monkey gauge was a must in adjusting. I also found after about 4 cases of paint I had to re adjust my lpr . I was experiencing drop off when I shot a long string. Of coarse the weather might have had something to do with it . It was in the 90s But with a quick twist of the lpr adjustment and I was back and running . I haven't had any problems since . I ordered my JDS through compulsive paintball and I got great service and fast shipping .

[angelpumpman]

I saw those in a thread here and read about them. But, I am not sure exactly how they screw in on the G7 fly. On the back there is only the ram side and the battery side. Please explain. Would'nt it be easier just to place a regulator gauge plug into the LPR, instead of opening the back and loosing one of those lilltle srews in the process?

[chulas]

I saw those in a thread here and read about them. But, I am not sure exactly how they screw in on the G7 fly. On the back there is only the ram side and the battery side. Please explain. Would'nt it be easier just to place a regulator gauge plug into the LPR, instead of opening the back and loosing one of those lilltle srews in the process?

i have one of the gauges. They Are Awesome.
You have to remove the M5 grub screw from the center of the gun. This screw plugs the gas transfer passage from the font of the LPR all the way back to the 'noid. Then you screw the gauge into the opening. When done, remove the gauge and reinstall the grub screw. the potential exists for a leak to be created after removing and re-install that grub screw.. but on the 5 guns i have checked, i have yet to have it happen.
that work?

[NitroBall]

I saw those in a thread here and read about them. But, I am not sure exactly how they screw in on the G7 fly. On the back there is only the ram side and the battery side. Please explain. Would'nt it be easier just to place a regulator gauge plug into the LPR, instead of opening the back and loosing one of those lilltle srews in the process?

You cannot plug a gauge into the STD LPR, reason why boostmonkey made a gauge , and its the only accurate way of reading the pressure.

Take backplate off, in between the battery chamber and ram, theres a small M5 grub screw you take out. It will be hard to take out if its the first time, as there is a little locktite in there. Once the grub screw is out, you connect the gauge, and air up to see what pressure the LPR is at.
Once set, you will never need to set it again.

On my G7 fly, testing the marker with paint and LPR set at 55psi, the gauge would drop down to about 40 psi rapid firing.
With the STD, i could set the LPR at 45 psi, dropping only 2 or 3 psi rapid firing.

The STD and boostmonkeys gauge are a godsend.