Intellafed Problem a voltage problem???

[dent6]

I think that the problem that people are having with the Tadao intellefed not working is that the new tadao board intellefed voltage output is only about 3 volts instead of the 5 volts put out by the angel 4 fly board. I had orginally built my hopper using a 5 volt relay in the hopper. I think if it is rebuilt with a 3 volt relay it will work. Main problem is that 3 volt relays are HARD to find. I did find one on E-bay so I am awaiting to get it and to rebuild my hopper. I have a feeling other other intellefed hoppers were also based on 5 volt relays. If you test the tadao board intellefed with a voltage meter it does indeed work with dwell times increasing with the setting, it's just that it is only putting out the 3 volts. Any of you electronic wizards out there got any idea other that new relays? :notsure:

[Presto333]

to tag along with your thread, because I myself have an intelifed hopper with a 5volt relay (i think). Why did they put a different voltage on the tadao board compared to the stock board when it was suppose to be just a drop-in board? As far as any other ideas I can't think of any, but if I do i'll be sure to post and let you know.

[firemedic30]

I agree Preston, that seems to be a weird problem. The only idea that I might have was that since the MTs assisted with the board, and at one time there were working on the iHALO (which was for 3 volts), maybe they figured that the iHALO would be up and running??:notsure: :notsure:

I talked w/ Jim today and he said that the JALOs are with the 5, but he is looking for the 3s!!

[KEN CRANE]

the ihalos we were doing were based in 1.5.this is the reason. we felt the voltage being 1.5 -3 volts was a much better choice than the 5 volt for battery usage. the stock board provides you with 4.8 volts so you can run the hopper directly off the gun without using the loader batteries(and the delay relay is built on the board from wdp). but by doing this you kill the gun battery very quickly.i have been slammed all weekend so i have not had time to look thru old threads and our data.

[firemedic30]

Ken, thanks for all the work!!! (BTW, I never did get your emails!! LOL)

[KEN CRANE]

Ken, thanks for all the work!!! (BTW, I never did get your emails!! LOL)
i need to call brian at 68 to have him look at the server records becuse i am haveing a lot of complaints from my performanceangel.com email address.ill re send them from my aol account.2 people today asked why i didnt return their emails.i had to say i was sorry but didnt get them.ill figure it out...

[uniquenewyork15]

ken did you send the backplate screw for my g7? thanks

[KEN CRANE]

[QUOTE=uniquenewyork15]ken did you send the backplate screw for my g7? thanks[/QUOTE

yes sir. its coming in a regular envelope.should be there monday

[uniquenewyork15]

thanks so much. i was gettin worried this week at my field my backplate almost fell of in a dive into snake. lol awesome

[firemedic30]

How about the 90 for me Ken?? LOL!

[Skinny C]

i also wanted to get the tadao board and i have my jalo from jim. i may too have this problem?

[firemedic30]

Skinny, I talked w/ Jim and he said he uses the 5 volt relay. He told me that he is working on the problem. I'm sure he let us know.

[Skinny C]

i know every one is bothering him now about the tadao and their jalo so i just will sit back for now and rip with out the tadao.....im thinking of getting the evolve lite to hold me over till they get the jalo prob fixed....

[KEN CRANE]

guys, sorry for the delay. we have located a relay to work for this application. we are testing them now and later next week we will report on the relay that we chose. please set tight.
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[firemedic30]

Good deal Ken. THANKS!!

[1865]

I'm coming in on this topic a little late (just dropped my Tadeo in yesterday) and am hoping someone can explain it to me in layman's terms. I have I-feed, but someone esle did the work for me. Is the change they are talking about something on the board? Or is it something in my intelifeed system? I have to say that I am a little disappointed. It seems like this is a problem that should have been seen before the boards were released. :(

[dent6]

I think that the problem that people are having with the Tadao intellefed not working is that the new tadao board intellefed voltage output is only about 3 volts instead of the 5 volts put out by the angel 4 fly board. I had orginally built my hopper using a 5 volt relay in the hopper. I think if it is rebuilt with a 3 volt relay it will work. Main problem is that 3 volt relays are HARD to find. I did find one on E-bay so I am awaiting to get it and to rebuild my hopper. I have a feeling other other intellefed hoppers were also based on 5 volt relays. If you test the tadao board intellefed with a voltage meter it does indeed work with dwell times increasing with the setting, it's just that it is only putting out the 3 volts. Any of you electronic wizards out there got any idea other that new relays? :notsure:


You will just need to replace the relay that is in your hopper, It is not really that big of a deal now that the MT's have found some new relays.

[firemedic30]

Any word yet on the relay??

[1865]

I'm coming in on this topic a little late (just dropped my Tadeo in yesterday) and am hoping someone can explain it to me in layman's terms. I have I-feed, but someone esle did the work for me. Is the change they are talking about something on the board? Or is it something in my intelifeed system? I have to say that I am a little disappointed. It seems like this is a problem that should have been seen before the boards were released. :(
HELP! Electronics dummy here. It sounds like I am going to need to replace a bit in my Halo with a new bit for it to work with my Tadeo, and that Ken and the MT's are working to find the best new bit. Am I on the right track? I've been practicing with the soldering iron just in case!:ph34r:

[KEN CRANE]

Any word yet on the relay??

ill let you know this afternoon.

[firemedic30]

Sweet!! Also, do you have the new vavle up yet on your website, or should I just call you!

[firemedic30]

HELP! Electronics dummy here. It sounds like I am going to need to replace a bit in my Halo with a new bit for it to work with my Tadeo, and that Ken and the MT's are working to find the best new bit. Am I on the right track? I've been practicing with the soldering iron just in case!:ph34r:
As I would understand it, the only thing that needs to be replaced is the relay only. I know that they are working on the issuse and per Ken, we will know more here in a little bit!!

[KEN CRANE]

Sweet!! Also, do you have the new vavle up yet on your website, or should I just call you!
ill get tk to package it tonight

[WDP ir3 2k3]

You will just need to replace the relay that is in your hopper, It is not really that big of a deal now that the MT's have found some new relays.


Were can you get Relays at?

[1865]

Were can you get Relays at?
What's a relay?

[KEN CRANE]

As I would understand it, the only thing that needs to be replaced is the relay only. I know that they are working on the issuse and per Ken, we will know more here in a little bit!!


sorry guys jim and i are struggling right now. please be paitent for another day.

[GMG Force Fly]

What's a relay?

A relay is a electro-mechanical device that allows you to switch high voltages or high current with safer/lower voltages without endangering the user or the equipment.

[KEN CRANE]

A relay is a electro-mechanical device that allows you to switch high voltages or high current with safer/lower voltages without endangering the user or the equipment.

what do you call the device that is protecting my brain from exploding at this point??? sorry needed to vent......

[GMG Force Fly]

He asked....

what do you call the device that is protecting my brain from exploding at this point??? sorry needed to vent......

Your skull..... YOU asked.:bouncer:

[firemedic30]

what do you call the device that is protecting my brain from exploding at this point??? sorry needed to vent......

AW....just fire TK again......you'll feel better. Just do it after he ships my valve!! LOL!

Hang in there!!

[Skinny C]

i talked to jim yesterday he told me he is making a list of everyone who may need the relay(in your jalo's), and he will get ahold of them. unfortunaly im on that list....:cryer:

[firemedic30]

A small hiccup on the road to muppet owning.......

[Mavrick]

Guys I think what is needed here is an opto isolator. In layman’s terms it is a solid-state relay. It operates using a very small LED and a collector packaged in a small IC package. I don't know what the voltage the Tadao boards put out but I am sure it is in the millivolt (mV) range. We would just need a resistor and the opto isolator on the board side. On the hopper side a direct connect from + supply to motor. Great thing about opto isolators is they use next to noting for current.

See attached .PDF file for an example of another thing I did but it would work the same. Hope that helps some!

Mav

[GMG Force Fly]

Guys I think what is needed here is an opto isolator. In layman’s terms it is a solid-state relay. It operates using a very small LED and a collector packaged in a small IC package. I don't know what the voltage the Tadao boards put out but I am sure it is in the millivolt (mV) range. We would just need a resistor and the opto isolator on the board side. On the hopper side a direct connect from + supply to motor. Great thing about opto isolators is they use next to noting for current.

See attached .PDF file for an example of another thing I did but it would work the same. Hope that helps some!

Mav

the ihalos we were doing were based in 1.5.this is the reason. we felt the voltage being 1.5 -3 volts was a much better choice than the 5 volt for battery usage.

Said by the man himself.

[Mavrick]

That said this example is your solution then!

[dent6]

I finally found a micro 3 volt relay . It will switch with a 1.5 or 3 volt battery, so I thought I had it made , but then I tried it with the intellefed and it would not switch the relay. I guess that even though the intellefed is putting out 3 volts it's amperage is insufficient to switch my 3 volt relay's coil. I hope the MT's are having better luck with relays. :again:

[KEN CRANE]

I finally found a micro 3 volt relay . It will switch with a 1.5 or 3 volt battery, so I thought I had it made , but then I tried it with the intellefed and it would not switch the relay. I guess that even though the intellefed is putting out 3 volts it's amperage is insufficient to switch my 3 volt relay's coil. I hope the MT's are having better luck with relays. :again:


lol sorry bbud, thats why my head was going to expolde. we have the soultuin but it requires a call to the supply house. the previous post is close to what we need to do. as a matter of fact he made an offer to me and i am going to take him up on it. be back soon.

[1865]

A relay is a electro-mechanical device that allows you to switch high voltages or high current with safer/lower voltages without endangering the user or the equipment.
So in my Intellifeed would that be the little black box (about a half inch square)that my wiring is all attached to? Thanks for the knowledge! :cheers:

[notare]

1865, yes.

[1865]

1865, yes.Sweet. Thanks!

[firemedic30]

Yeah, that's the relay that everyone is talking about!!

[1865]

Any news on this issue?

[KEN CRANE]

Any news on this issue?

it was tested this weekend and seems to work. one more round of testing. promise !!!

[1865]

it was tested this weekend and seems to work. one more round of testing. promise !!!
Thanks Ken, I appreciate your dedication to getting it right.

[WDP ir3 2k3]

1865 were can you get that at?

[1865]

1865 were can you get that at?The relay? Ken hasn't told us exactly what part is needed yet. When he does I'm sure it will be available through Radio Shack.

[WDP ir3 2k3]

The relay? Ken hasn't told us exactly what part is needed yet. When he does I'm sure it will be available through Radio Shack.


Thxs for the Inof

[Fly-n-High]

Check www.digikey.com, they carry all kinds of electronic components for any application.

[GMG Force Fly]

Ken has brought us a solution to the problem.
http://www.angelowners.com/showthread.php?t=51302

[KEN CRANE]

i cannot take the credit for this as a real real smart member worked with me on this. as for who he is he will remain an annomous hero for right now.... thanks rick!

[dent6]

I just installed the new prototype intelifeed system this afternoon in my A 4 Fly . It is an awesome system that will let you use any halo board that you have. I installed mine with a victory board. The really cool part is that it functions thru the board itself keeping all the good board qualities, such as the hopper eyes and battery voltage regulation in-tack. It overrides the board for full intelifeed function, but the Halo system can take over if the intelifeed wire becomes unplugged , or if the intelifeed should fail. And the hopper still functions on my guns that don't have a intelifeed system.The best of both worlds!!! I have fired 5 hopper full loades so far and it fires the balls smoothly thru the whole hopper fill , I did not get that pause you sometimes get at the end of the hopper of paint. Ken and the guys have created a great new generation intelifeed system that is unbelievable in both speed and smoothness in feeding! You definitely need to upgrade your gun to the new generation intelifeed whether you are using a stock board or a tadao board. Hint: get a tadao board they are fantastic!!!!!!! My gun now has both and it is the fastest gun I have ever shot. It sure beats my orginal gun the Nelspot 007. Any of you old enough to even know what that is???

:::fanboy:

[firemedic30]

Just to echo the Doc...(DENT6) I too have tested the new intellifeed (as Trigg calls it the Master Techafeed )! WOW. This thing is smooth.

Aslo as DENT6 mentioned, the MTs have designed a system that uses BOTH the eyes and the intellifeed cable. The system that was given to us was in pieces and we put it together. ( I will be honest, I watched my father tinker with electronics FOR YEARS, but never did it. I was able to cut wires, strip them, and re-sodder them WITHOUT any problems....SO what I am saying...if I can do it, so can you.)

Anyway, I just ran a case of paint through here last night and just now. I fully charged both my Arsenal and got a new 9 volt for my HaloB. I had a fulled charged 45/68 cylinder and fresh XBALL paint. I ran sever different settings and was just roping paint. (For all you hippies out there, I am sorry, but I just killed a tree ) I ran the fastest settings that you can shoot with the TADAO. I ran the max ROF and MAX of everything...DAMN. Just like DENT6 said, no delay!! Now here's the key, with a stock HALO board, I shot all settings with and WITHOUT the intellifeed cable! FAST.

This will be a very easy mod and will make ALL Angels even better.

[rix123]

...hmmm, this sounds very interesting if I understand dent6's post, that it can be used on the older A4/A4 Fly/A4 Euro series as well as the new G7 and TADAO series boards...

...it is offered in "kit form" for self-installation, I'm ready to pick a couple up, Ken or BoB, just post the info if it is so :)...I'm due to do some ordering now that X-mas is over...

[escloflowne]

okay wait so do i need to reinstall my eyes and board in my halo for it to work?

in one of the other post it said that it was now 3 volts compared to 5 volts, the way i read it was if you put your battery pack in the halo it would work?

confused...did my intellifeed myself a year ago and i have forgot what i did! lol
but i want the tadao board!

[Mavrick]

Ok here are the answers to the questions you just asked. First this new intellifeed will work in any gun that has a place on the marker board for hopper connection. If you previously purchased an Intellifeed kit you should be able to do a few minor changes and be up and running. The new Intellifeed will support 2 different board voltages. Stock Angel boards are putting out about 4.5 Volts on the “HOP” output connection. The Tadao also has a connection for intellifeed. It has a slightly lower voltage. This is where the problems noted before were noticed. The new Intellifeed board corrects all of this. So “YES” both board types are supported with the new Intellifeed board.

Now on to your loader. This new board will work with and without the eyes connected on your Halo. (NOTE: I am not talking about gun eyes!) I would recommend using your eyes though. That way if something goes wrong your hopper still acts like it did off the shelf stock. Now any Halo board that supports eyes is supposed to work. That is from the stock Odyssey board on up. I have not tested this on a sound activated board as of yet. So the vote is still out on that.

Now how fast is this thing you might ask? I see about .03 milliseconds for both on and off on the response time. Now you got to ask yourself.... Are your fingers that fast!

Now before you bomb the MT’s with I want to get one. We are still in prototype phase. Things are moving along smoothly with this. I would hope that the last round of tests would be conducted very soon. Then we will move onto producing the production boards. As in everything that the MT’s do, Quality and dependability are paramount before releasing anything for commercial sale. So not to long from now you should be able to get one for your marker. Hang in there!

[l Sil3nt_Recon L]

this is really weird i just bought a I-feed egg 2 for my 2k1 LCD and it already has the hook up in it . what voltage do you think that the board and the hopper will run off of since it is an older model angel?

[GMG Force Fly]

this is really weird i just bought a I-feed egg 2 for my 2k1 LCD and it already has the hook up in it . what voltage do you think that the board and the hopper will run off of since it is an older model angel?

This problem is only related to the Tadao board.