I got to try a G7 Fly today! (Pic Intensive!)

[Trigga Nometry]

Yup, I still have it in my possession :tongue: . Courtesy of Ken Crane at www.performanceangel.com that is. He is letting me borrow his G7 Fly for a week to test out while he is away at San Diego. I am like a kid at Christmas.

I was expecting to be impressed with it after seeing the official WDP pics but those pics really do not do it justice. Needless to say, it is a thing of beauty. You really have to hold it and see in person to believe it.

The very first thing I noticed was that the anodizing is the same shade and appears to the same type and quality as the current G7. Looks freaking great :cool: , slick and shiny.

After I composed myself, I picked it up and it is a lot lighter than the G7. Right away you can feel the difference.

Lucky for me, I haven't sold my G7 yet (will be up for sale this week) so I can compare a 90 frame G7 versus the 45 frame G7 Fly that Ken is letting me borrow.

I shot it at Ken's this afternoon hooked up to his air compressor. The trigger is a lot different than the G7. It fells completely different. It has only one vernier wheel and two screws (not counting the toe adjustment screw).

I am going to get a fill tomorrow and really let this baby rip. Unfortunately, I have to give it back next week :sad: but he tells me that he will have more the following week (week of 9/26) that will be for sale and ready to ship.

Enough of that stuff. Here are the pics!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/TriggaNometry/Angel%20G7%20Fly/100_0994.jpg

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Brand new software too!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/TriggaNometry/Angel%20G7%20Fly/100_0999.jpg

[Trigga Nometry]

And the pic you probably all have been waiting for....the difference in barrels:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/TriggaNometry/Angel%20G7%20Fly/100_0998.jpg

The G7 barrel is on top and the G7 Fly is on the bottom.

[Won Hunglo]

Sweet!

[K4S]

i'm glad you got a pic of the barrels...im still debating whether i should sell my g7 to pick up the fly version...only problem with that is that i can no longer use my cherished tit longbow kit :(

[ray ray]

wow

[FATBACK]

The barrel thing is killing me................i'll just stay with my g-7s..............

[sharps990]

ahhhh it looks so dam good, reminds me alot of both ripper 2 milling and mamba kinda

i wounder if i should throw my g up for sale now

the barrels will be tough tho...nothing but stock for awhile

sharps

[leperchaun]

hey trigga you could send it to me and say it was stolen... i wouldn't mind at all


and congrats on the mod

[LifeWithAnAngel]

Man that gun is sooo sharp, im thinking of selling my G7 just to get one. Wow!

[Trigga Nometry]

ahhhh it looks so dam good, reminds me alot of both ripper 2 milling and mamba kinda

i wounder if i should throw my g up for sale now

the barrels will be tough tho...nothing but stock for awhile

sharpsPer Ken - The adapters are being made right now to use existing Angel threaded barrels on the new Fly.

[MORFEUS]

Wow...I mean WOW....I want this now...my G7 and Speed 05 are going for sale lol thanks for sharing trigga.This made my day. :hitit: :bouncer:

[180000]

trigga, you are one lucky son of a ****, you get everything when it comes to Angels. but my question in another thread is still not answered, is there gonna be 90 frames?

[tgallo]

trigga, you are one lucky son of a ****, you get everything when it comes to Angels. but my question in another thread is still not answered, is there gonna be 90 frames?

You should have visited WDPs site. Your answer is there. To save you all that clicking the answer is yes it comes in 90 as well.

[IwanaANGEL]

Im really lovin' in
the rounded lpr/end caps are really sweet

does the G7Fly remind anyone of AKA guns?

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

lol my g7 is already sold so g7 fly here i come!

[Sung]

trig, I gotta ask. How tall and big are your hands dude. Is the Fly G7 that small? Your holding it with one hand open.

[klasikahl]

It looks like with those grips you can actually see through the LCD window. That's an improvement I welcome for sure. I'm not quite selling the G7 yet though, I think I'll wait for a Force or something modified to come along. :bouncer:

edit:

trig, I gotta ask. How tall and big are your hands dude. Is the Fly G7 that small? Your holding it with one hand open.

I can do this with my regular G7. I'm 5'9", though I do have big hands.

[-XF-PEZ]

what are the modes of fire?

[Trigga Nometry]

trig, I gotta ask. How tall and big are your hands dude. Is the Fly G7 that small? Your holding it with one hand open.Ya know, I thought the exact same thing when I was taking that pic! I kinda thought someone would ask that.

I'm 6 foot 3 inches and take a XL paintball glove,

[tman-89]

what are the modes of fire?

yeah, Im interested to see the modes of fire. Ken said that we shouldnt say WDP never listens to its customers, and I want to know what has changed.

[dusted]

nice macro setting trig. im glad somebody else can take some decent pics also. nice looking marker, i just got a arsenal g7 now i want one of these also, ill have to sell my other g7 first. oh i like the red gloss alot.

[WDP ir3 2k3]

g7 fly best lookin g7 i think

[emoasian]

what thread is the fly?

[Kyzer]

Mmmm looks to small,surpose if you have girl hands its a perfect match,but nice looking.... :evilgrin:

[dynastySSS]

wow it looks better than the other pics very nice!!!!

[Trigga Nometry]

what thread is the fly?The threads are new Angel threads.

[Studmuffin]

hey congrads on the mod thing. i didnt even see it, thoguh i have been gone all weekend. that fly looks amazing!! nice pics.

[Trigga Nometry]

Mmmm looks to small,surpose if you have girl hands its a perfect match,but nice looking.... :evilgrin:It is actually the same size as a G7 but is just lighter due to the extreme Fly milling. It may look small, which it is...it is as small as a standard G7. Check out that first pic for a comparison between the G7 and the G7 Fly.

[Trigga Nometry]

Well, I fired the G7 Fly up today....WOW! Freaking rips just like the G7. To me, it does sound a little different. I was shooting it off my back deck (luckily I have a pretty secluded lot) and my wife even came out and said "Wow, that is pretty quiet, I could barely hear it in the house".

Got some more specs on the new G7 Fly trigger. It is actually called the "Magnetic Adjustable Force Trigger" in the manual addendum that I have.

Here ya go:

Magnetic adjustable force trigger:
ADDENDUM TO PAGE 21 - REPLACES VERNIER TRIGGER ADJUSTMENT

The trigger system has four adjustable point, front travel, backstop, activation point, and magnetic return strength control.

The return strength is controlled through the foremost set screw located on the under side of the trigger, turning the set screw counter clockwise will decrease the return force of the trigger making it lighter to operate, turning this set screw clock wise will increase the strength of the return force of the trigger.

The front travel adjustment is done via the rear most of the set screws located underneath the trigger, turning the screw clockwise will reduce the amount of front travel; turning the screw counter clockwise will increase the amount of front travel.

The back adjustment is done via the single adjustment wheel, turning the wheel clockwise moves the position of the back stop further back, moving the wheel in a counter clockwise motion will move the position of the back stop forward.

And of course it also has the standard toe adjustment screw.

By the way - Can anyone guess where they got the brilliant idea for the new trigger adjustments?

The other feature the new software has is the Mechanical de-Bounce (MdB) filtering. This is an extra level of electronic filtering applied to the trigger software in addition to the trigger offset feature to allow the user to filter out any unwanted bounce from their trigger caused by the mechanical effects.

There are settings for MdB. 1 through 20, with 1 offering the lowest level of bounce filtering and 20 offering the highest valve of filtering.

From the way Ken described the MdB to was that the trigger can be set to the very closest it can be without bouncing. You can bring it right to the edge to get the most out of the trigger and still be "legal".

[Studmuffin]

so the internats are the same? just wondering if a volumizer was still not an option on the valve side...would assume the same internals though.

[Trigga Nometry]

so the internats are the same? just wondering if a volumizer was still not an option on the valve side...would assume the same internals though.Yup, same kick butt internals that the G7 has except that the G7 Fly has the smaller valve stem. There is really no need for a volumizer on this baby other than if you liked the look. If you did want one on there, you'd have to make a customer part.

I checked the LPR today and it came set at 55psi.

[big azn]

I checked the LPR today and it came set at 55psi.

Did you lower the psi after checking it.

[Trigga Nometry]

Did you lower the psi after checking it.No I did not try that. This baby is a virgin and wanted to break her in a little first. Still has all the factory WDP grease in there.

[FAIce]

Very very sweet!!

dude.. you have a big hand or this sweety its too smaller!

I would like to see a pic a G7 fly near a A4 fly to see big sizes!!

thnx 4 the pics

[ANGEL_LUBER]

I am glad that WDP finally came with a magnetic trigger that has the ability to adjust the tension. Many of the past user of the speed05 and G7 complained about the stiffness of the trigger.

I hope that the trigger is equal to the shocker, trix, timmies, ect. Many of the other markers had setscrews that set the fore & aft trigger stops. Most also had a screw where it would control the trigger tension by moving the magnet closer (heavy) or farther (lighter). And many had another setscrew that controlled the point of activation (shoot).

One more thing. Does WDP still recommend using LP tanks on the New Fly? Did WDP do any upgrades on the regulator? I hope that the new fly can accept both HP & LP and perform equally.

Awesome pics Trigga Nometry. :smile:

[Sung]

Trig, thanks for the updates.

[Trigga Nometry]

what are the modes of fire?The new software has the MdB feature and the corrected PSP ramping. Other than that, the software is the same as g1:5.

[RiceSolja]

wicked sick..

[freeloader12345]

The barrel is going to be the hang up for most people. I wish WDP would let us know that 100% this is the new angel threading. No going back or change for a long time. I want to get a new fly with a good barrel kit, just want to know the future:).

Great pics, Congrads

[crazy man]

wdp should start including barrel adapters in the box
now thats an idea!

[speeding]

IwannaAngel, the first thing i thought of when i saw the front end of the gun was aka, but the rest... i just said omfg.

[freeloader12345]

Crazy Man: You are on to something real BIG.

[pimpsta]

i am going to hopefully get one at christmas if i ask my dad alot lol

[crazy man]

well... thats the least that wdp could do, since they did change the threads up on us :puzzled:

[Trigga Nometry]

Be sure to check out our very own Furby's thoughts on the new WDP Angel G7 Fly (about 8 minutes into the FBRadio show): http://www.68caliber.com/currentshow.php


My God...I don't know who took the pictures but they ought to be in pornography because they made that thing look absolutely delicious…

Thanks for the props Furby! The G7 Fly certainly does not need much help to make it look hot because...well...it is...all on it's own.

[ITO]

What barrel threads does it use?

I see they are different but how?

[Trigga Nometry]

They are new Angel barrel threads. Shorter, finer threads.

[ITO]

Do they match up to anthing else like Cocker threads?

What is the point unless they are going to an industry standard?

[BoB]

They are exclusive to the newer angels. Cocker threads are too large for this application. Here is a few photos of our barrel. Still working out the adapters.

[Trigga Nometry]

Thanks for those pics Bob. I cannot wait for my Fly and my new inserts to be ready. That kit still looks nice in the new Fly.

[ITO]

Thanks Bob.

[Sung]

Bob - that is sick. Thanks for the pics.

[TeamInvisionCaptain1]

WOW, nice job on those pics trig!

[pimpsta]

lets see a vid

[FAIce]

vid vid vid----------


Hey!! did someone know where is BOB????

[pimpsta]

guys we need a vid and make it detailed not like one hopper

[TeamInvisionCaptain1]

Is it yours?

[Trigga Nometry]

Is it yours?Nope that is Ken Crane's personal G7 Fly. I was just the lucky SOB that got to borrow it while he is away at NPPL SD.

Already got mine ordered though, just gotta wait for it to arrive.

[sirekilla]

if you look at the front of the gun and how it goes in it sorta looks like a nerve

[CHAWAWA]

And the pic you probably all have been waiting for....the difference in barrels:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/TriggaNometry/Angel%20G7%20Fly/100_0998.jpg

The G7 barrel is on top and the G7 Fly is on the bottom.


can you lay a cocker one next to it.

[Spike701]

can you lay a cocker one next to it.

Yeah I was curious about that as well.

[Wylde1]

anyone know where the fly is available to order???? and how much they're goin' for ?? (in CDN $) plus what are these barrel adapters gonna look like?? it seems to me the last thing you wanna do is make another seam if you already have a 2 pc barrel. is this adapter gonna make the barrel longer and affect your control bore??

[sirekilla]

this really makes the new threads pointless when people are just buying adapters.........

[tgallo]

this really makes the new threads pointless when people are just buying adapters.........

not really...it's just something to tide people over until the barrel manufactures start making new Angel threaded barrels. Personally I will just use the stock barrel until SP makes a Freak back I can use with my kit.

[Wylde1]

dammit but now my dye UL back is no good

[sirekilla]

not really...it's just something to tide people over until the barrel manufactures start making new Angel threaded barrels. Personally I will just use the stock barrel until SP makes a Freak back I can use with my kit.
i do like the new threading idea dont get me wrong but dose this even lower the profile at all?
they should have waited till thay can make a gun short enogh for there new threads to make a difference

[Studmuffin]

it makes the gun shorter, therfore ruducing the profile length-wise. your sig doesnt make too much sense either...

[Howitzer11]

Trigga what do you think of the 45? I have kind of gotten used to the 90 but it is much taller. Is the tank up any tighter? Does it still allow hand room? The last 45 I used was and lcd.
Thanks

[Trigga Nometry]

Trigga what do you think of the 45? I have kind of gotten used to the 90 but it is much taller. Is the tank up any tighter? Does it still allow hand room? The last 45 I used was and lcd.
ThanksGood question. Check out this thread where a few people said what they think about the 45 versus the 90 (including me):


http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=47136

[younggunna69]

i got to shoot one at nppl san diego. The thing is sooo fast.

[SpLiCe]

Faster then the G7? by how much..?

[RyanL2006]

it makes the gun shorter, therfore ruducing the profile length-wise. your sig doesnt make too much sense either...


I never really understood this. The feedneck is still in the same spot, so your overall gun is not any shorter, and the lpr caps still stick out the same length so that part of your gun is not any shorter either. Can someone explain to me how your gun is shorter when the barrel is installed and all?

Thanks,
-Ryan

[tgallo]

I never really understood this. The feedneck is still in the same spot, so your overall gun is not any shorter, and the lpr caps still stick out the same length so that part of your gun is not any shorter either. Can someone explain to me how your gun is shorter when the barrel is installed and all?

Thanks,
-Ryan

Think about it. We are measuring from the back of the gun to the barrel tip.

It's shorter lenghtwise because the barrel is screwed in back from the end caps. There fore instead of your barrel begginning at the end caps it begins just before...which means the tip of your barrel is pulled back by that same amount. Overall gun length is shorter.

You can now have a 12" barrel on you G7 Fly and the gun length will be about the length of a regular G7 with a 10" barrel.

[Trigga Nometry]

Exactly tgallo. Take a closer look at the first pic again where you can see the G7 versus the Fy. Might not be the best comparison pic but it is plain as day that the Fly is slightly shorter.

[RyanL2006]

The barrels are the same length overall though. 12 inches is not measured from where the barrel emerges from the gun, it is measured from where the barrel starts. So 12 inches is 12 inches no matter how short or long the threads are. And since the feedneck is in the same spot, so is where the barrel starts, and therefore they are the exact same length overall. The only way it would be shorter is if the feedneck is further back, which it is not.

[RyanL2006]

Here I put some lines in paint to show what I mean. If I am not mistaken, the barrel on the fly is not quite 14inches, maybe something like 13.5 or 13.75 inches as is evidenced by the picture comparing the barrels. Now look at the picture comparing the guns, the fly looks exactly the same amount shorter as the barrel is shorter.

What I am trying to say is that, I believe that equal length barrels will yeild an equal length gun. Again if I am missing something, let me know.

[RyanL2006]

Just ordered a Gloss Blue G7 fly from Ken Crane so that I can compare for myself!! I am so excited!!!

[tgallo]

The barrels are the same length overall though. 12 inches is not measured from where the barrel emerges from the gun, it is measured from where the barrel starts. So 12 inches is 12 inches no matter how short or long the threads are. And since the feedneck is in the same spot, so is where the barrel starts, and therefore they are the exact same length overall. The only way it would be shorter is if the feedneck is further back, which it is not.

I see. I stand corrected. I was thinking in terms of length from where the barrel emerges from the gun. However you are correct...it is the length of the whole barrel that is usually measured.

They may have lightened the weight by bringing the threads back though..not by much mind you.

[RyanL2006]

Glad I am not just going insane and missing something lol Don't get me wrong, I love the looks and all, I just never really understood that part of the WDP advertisement where it claimed the shorter threads gave you a smaller profile.

[Studmuffin]

the barrels are 14" btw...

[uniquenewyork15]

That looks hot Trigga. I'm still confused at to why the barrels are different and why it is so far back. I bought my g7 two days ago and it is sick, it rips. Good luck!