View Full Version : shorter fly(G7 moded pics)
paintmauler
09-08-2005, 02:34 AM
id liek to see the angel shortened if possible? maybe make the bolts n hammers smaller?
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5991/fly06profile5uj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7427/fly06profile23zn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
id like it to be that short if ever possible
TeamInvisionCaptain1
09-08-2005, 11:01 AM
repost new pics, ^ those dont work
JTp8ntballer12
09-08-2005, 02:43 PM
:hitit:
P8ntSlinger44
09-10-2005, 01:35 AM
Actually i would like the actuall height of the Angels to be adressed, since they are noticably taller then yoru average marker.
paintmauler
09-10-2005, 01:43 AM
i dno im kinda disagreeing on the hieght issue. i dotn think angels r that tall. dm4s r definately taller. we can make them much shorter in that fashion anyways.
PBsmurf
09-10-2005, 02:39 AM
Id love a angel that short.. Cuz if it looks like that its secks
180000
09-10-2005, 04:31 AM
actually, id have to agree with the guys on the height issue. the new angels are really short in lenght already compared to the rest of the guns and the only shorter gun that i know of in lenght is the freestyle. the height should be addressed though, if somehow the angel could get shorter by 3/4" in lenght, although it wont happen in probably a long time, it would be sweet.
sirtigersalot
09-18-2005, 12:19 AM
couldn't the height be solved with a better feed neck, i haven't seen anything along the lines of a q lock like on shockers, all the angels i've seen always have the bottom of the hopper like 3in off the top of the gun, it should only be like 1 inch, that would shave 2 inches off the height right there
idk if an angel could be shortened like in your pix, the bolt doesn't look long enough for the nessassary stroke length, but maybe i'm jsut reading to much into the pix, it you probably meant it to not be exactly like the pix, but w/e
P8ntSlinger44
09-18-2005, 12:27 AM
If the neck were any short on the Angel the rotating breech wouldnt be able to open.
paintmauler
09-18-2005, 12:31 AM
well i kno, but im sure theres a way to shorten the botl and other internals? dno just a hypothesis. and as for the hieght...they shortened the back of the G7s but when u look at an angel from the front theres no more u can take out of it. theres the barrel section which has a tiny bit of metal between the threas and outside of the gun then theres more tiny little space between the barrel section and the 2 tubes and then theres like a half inch section under the tubes which is need for the gripframe screws, pins, veneire wheels, ect. i think thats as small as it gets my freind. and as for the feedneck if u wanna change that just buy a ccm no pro, but then u wont be able to open ur breech. if find where theres room to take out of the height let me kno.
paintmauler
09-18-2005, 12:39 AM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8780/picture2772rs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
1boobfromSector 7-G
09-18-2005, 01:08 AM
The areas then that need to be addressed then to shorten the hieght of gun is the size of the LPR, the hammer, and valve, etc..
Since it is a three bore design it will never be as short as say a shocker, but if the areas I mentioned are addressed it would shorten the height of the gun.
However I full assume that these areas have been looked at WDP in the past, and the forementioned parts are probally designed at such specific diameters as that WDP have determined the angel line of paintball markers to not be able to function at any smaller diameters for these parts. However if they haven't looked into producing these parts in a smaller diameter with a new body to fit these parts it's something for the quys in design and development to be working on:)
If the neck were any short on the Angel the rotating breech wouldnt be able to open.
Maybe a whole re-design platform that doesnt incorporate that feature anymore. Or at least modified quit a bit. Hmmm?
sliding breach instead of rotary might work.
sirekilla
09-18-2005, 10:26 AM
Maybe a whole re-design platform that doesnt incorporate that feature anymore. Or at least modified quit a bit. Hmmm?
thats one of the last things still on the angel that resembles itself. they get rid of that then you own a 3 tube timmy.
A slideing breech wouldnt work because of the soilinoid inthe back on the angel. If they were to put the noid in the frame and have airtubes like a timmy its speed and consistancy would be greatly affected and im not sure that would even work right considering where the lpr is.....
why would the noid hold the breach from sliding to the left? sliding back i understand, but sideways, shouldnt be a problem.
sirekilla
09-20-2005, 04:25 PM
why would the noid hold the breach from sliding to the left? sliding back i understand, but sideways, shouldnt be a problem.
ah i thought you meant backwards. as for slideing sideways would be impossible since the bolt pin is there to connect to the ram/hammer
P8ntSlinger44
09-20-2005, 05:48 PM
not impossible at all man, nothing is.
paintmauler
09-20-2005, 09:28 PM
seriously tho how are u going to slide it, id rather hav the rotary less hassle...think about it. if u slide it off to the side how r u gunan egt the bolt out or get it to connect with the hammer?
NATEDOGG
09-21-2005, 12:15 AM
Paintmauler has a good point.......
paintmauler
09-21-2005, 12:41 AM
okkk...i posted this once and it disappeared?...anywho for the 2nd time how did u become a certified tech? whered u find the classes or w.e and what are the benefits, do u work at a store? thnx
You can take tech classes at NPPL or PSP event's. As far as perks, your certified by WDP to work on angel markers. As far as a job, maybe if you own your own pb store or maybe know someone that owns a store and wants to employ you.
-XF-PEZ
09-21-2005, 11:15 AM
if height and weight of your marker is a prob you could just use a slingshot and put a angel sticker on it
Clipkid243
09-22-2005, 08:18 PM
height and weight are always gonna be problems for people looking to squeeze some extra performance out of their marker.
anyway, whats stopping us from taking the bolt and making it an inch shorter, with a shorter ram travel and all? is there something in the gun that we have to keep a certain length (lpr, exhaust valve)?
paintmauler
09-22-2005, 10:04 PM
is there something in the gun that we have to keep a certain length (lpr, exhaust valve)?
i think so...a couple posts earlier stated somethin about if its shorter then the pressure will be higher. but im sure there has to be a way around that.
NATEDOGG
09-23-2005, 12:08 AM
Paintmauler..... to answer your question I did work for a store for about two and a half years. We sold Angel's and that allowed me to go to a tech class and become a certified tech. If you ever get to go to one they are great. JR and Owen and all the guys are great. At this time the team I am playing for pretty much shoot Angel's so I do all the work on their guns. We are actually signing contracts with WDP this Sat. for our sponsorship in NPPL for 06. I hope that helps you out.
Naxis
09-24-2005, 02:49 PM
any shorter and there would be no space for the triggerframe and reg
paintmauler
09-24-2005, 04:26 PM
not true at all.
MoogLe
09-24-2005, 07:00 PM
i had an idea a while back for a no-rise feedneck for angels.
basically the top of it would clamp to your loader, then there would be a thinner tube left on the gun, the top part snaps onto the lower part.
that way, you have a no rise and can still use the breech when necesarry, now that i think about it, stock ego feednecks kind of resemble what i'm describing
paintmauler
09-24-2005, 10:34 PM
genius^....a 2 way clamping no rise would be amazing.
MoogLe
09-25-2005, 11:20 AM
now someone just has to make it :)
Geezee
09-26-2005, 02:54 PM
I would like a clamping feedneck and it to be lighter other than that i love angels just the way they are
brokenleg
09-27-2005, 01:54 PM
here's my solution to the no rise issue. you keep the noid in the back, but ditch the roto breech for a pinless bolt that slides on a post that screws into the the hammer. the lever on the back would have to operate in reverse a bit to slide the bolt in. sorry that my PS skills are a bit shabby...
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2567/myfly7pe.th.jpg (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myfly7pe.jpg)
redhotee
09-27-2005, 07:03 PM
the second i can see external moving parts on an angel i will quick leave wdp!
paintmauler
09-27-2005, 07:28 PM
no way im not buyin a 3 tube timmy
brokenleg
09-28-2005, 12:57 AM
yeah, cause an angel without that rotobreech is just a spyder...
lefty21
10-03-2005, 07:15 AM
yeah, cause an angel without that rotobreech is just a spyder...
That's a low blow and a little off...think about it b4 you post it.
yeah, cause an angel without that rotobreech is just a spyder...
no its a viking
GMG Force Fly
12-21-2005, 06:03 PM
yeah, cause an angel without that rotobreech is just a spyder...
Isnt that grounds for being banned...j/k lol
eVoPaNoP
01-14-2006, 09:37 PM
Isn't there any way they could shorten the back-end assembly (the area behind the roto-breech), as well as the area in front of the feed neck?
Like so:
http://www.downshiftracing.com/Images/angelfly.jpg
paintmauler
01-14-2006, 10:04 PM
^^^ BKO much??
photoshop it dont scrunch it, itll look better.
eVoPaNoP
01-14-2006, 10:08 PM
^^^ BKO much??
photoshop it dont scrunch it, itll look better.
I used Photoshop's transform tool on a selection of the rear end to scrunch it lol
warpedx
01-15-2006, 02:15 PM
That's a bit extreme. There has to be room for the ram to actually operate. The bolt travels about an inch, so you need that much extra room for the ram to move back and forth. In the front, you need room for the lpr, and then volume in fromnt of the valve. There is a bit of room for the lpr to be moved further back into the marker, and shrinking the volume in front of the valve and substituting a volumizer could work. But that backend will be hard to shrink down further.
uniquenewyork15
01-15-2006, 02:20 PM
yeah and to add to ^^ whered you put the noid???
eVoPaNoP
01-15-2006, 03:40 PM
Well, heck, why not just scrunch down everything from about halfway - down. lol
http://www.downshiftracing.com/Images/angelflytiny.jpg
Now THAT's what I call an Angel FLY lol Now all you need to do is throw a no-rise on that puppy, and a 10" barrel and you're set lol
FrankG7
01-15-2006, 04:28 PM
that just ugly looks like a migit with a stick it its hand
eVoPaNoP
01-15-2006, 05:04 PM
Couldn't WDP, theoretically, take the entire marker, including all of it's internal components, and shrink it down like 25% or so? Heck, they could even make it semi-only and make it not have an LCD screen... then they'd have an entry-level marker (relatively speaking) that could cost quite a 'bit less than a regular Angel. lol
crazypaint
02-04-2006, 02:29 PM
the pics you posted are like a timmy and then a deffiant. i like the longness of angels
pbviper420
02-07-2006, 09:17 AM
I think angel has done a good job getting the profile down already. My Buddy had an LCD, Man that thing was a tank. And huge in every way. At least it looked that way compared to a G7.
younggunna69
02-07-2006, 11:16 PM
thats one of the last things still on the angel that resembles itself. they get rid of that then you own a 3 tube timmy.
A slideing breech wouldnt work because of the soilinoid inthe back on the angel. If they were to put the noid in the frame and have airtubes like a timmy its speed and consistancy would be greatly affected and im not sure that would even work right considering where the lpr is.....
you could have the breaches back pop up and the front stay down, so the shorter the feednec the better. that would look so sick.
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