Trigger Adjustment Tips?

[golobulus]

finally got my arsenal g7 today and already had a chance to play with it on the field, so happy with my purchase. only thing that was troubling was the trigger adjustment (never had vernier wheels before). fresh out the box it was pretty slow, so now for some experimentation, but let me see if i'm doing this right and if i'm understanding correctly.

1. back out the toe adjustment
2. adjust the over-travel (distance trigger is allowed to move after it has been activated)
3. adjust the return stroke (distance the trigger moves from max over-travel point to resetting the trigger)
4. adjust the toe adjustment (is this the activation point?)

it seems to me that i would logically want to set the activation point first, then determine the overtravel, so it seems kinda backwards to me.

also i've heard from everyone here to remove the rear magnet on the wheel. should i do this before i set the trigger? peace

[Fu_ness]

Dunno much about what exactly each thing does( I have only read the manual a couple of times) but, as for the trigger mod, its personal preference. I love it. But, others I hear dont' so much. Basically, it just makes the pull a little softer. Just get a blank venier wheel from a MT (They are pretty cheap) and try replacing it. That way, you dont' have to actually remove the magnet from its wheel, which then you would have to glue back on if you decide to keep it in there.
Anyway, wich I could help more...but thats all I got. Have fun w/ it though!!!

[golobulus]

thanks, i just took a pick and removed the magnet (not too hard, just wedge it in with a rubber mallet!) and really like the feel of it. is there a way you can see how fast you are shooting without having to use paint, i'm trying to test it out at home and all i can hit is 14 since with the eyes off its capped at 15.

also tried playing around with demo mode, that is just pure sickness!

[f3rn4ndrum5]

Here is how i do it....

with the verniers, adjust first, where do you want your trigger.... this meaning, you you want it close to the grip or a more forward position.... then limit its range using the back vernier...... let say you put it a bit forward and a 1mm pull.... with the gun on live, with eyes of, and NO balls, put the toe to the most unscrewed position (all the way back)... pull the trigger and keep it pulled.... the gun will not fire for the toe does not make contact.... insert the allens key into the toe screw, and star screwing the toe slowly until the gun fires.... (or the solenoid activates).... at this point unsrew the toe just a tinny bit....
The toe is problably now at the center of the trigger pull... ant the trigger is where you want it....

adjust the vernier locking screws and try again...

This enables you to set the trigger at the position and lenght that you want and then make the circuit work.... WDP has the most amazing way of adjusting the trigger....
hope it helpped

f3rn

[golobulus]

Here is how i do it....

with the verniers, adjust first, where do you want your trigger.... this meaning, you you want it close to the grip or a more forward position.... then limit its range using the back vernier...... let say you put it a bit forward and a 1mm pull.... with the gun on live, with eyes of, and NO balls, put the toe to the most unscrewed position (all the way back)... pull the trigger and keep it pulled.... the gun will not fire for the toe does not make contact.... insert the allens key into the toe screw, and star screwing the toe slowly until the gun fires.... (or the solenoid activates).... at this point unsrew the toe just a tinny bit....
The toe is problably now at the center of the trigger pull... ant the trigger is where you want it....

adjust the vernier locking screws and try again...

This enables you to set the trigger at the position and lenght that you want and then make the circuit work.... WDP has the most amazing way of adjusting the trigger....
hope it helpped

f3rn

Thanks, that makes alot of sense, so basically you are setting your trigger to how you want it to feel before you actually set your activation point. i guess with the optiswitch its reverse of a microswitch, since with a micro you want to set your activation point first and everything around that. will def. give it a try.

just curious, with eyes off, are you able to hit 15 on your bps without air? seems no matter how i adjust it i can only hit 14.

[f3rn4ndrum5]

Hope it works for you....

As you said, it´s exactlly the opossit than with the swhitch... first you set your trigger and THEN you make it work...

and no... with eyes of, the bps are capped at 15....

with eyes on its as fast as you can shoot....

[golobulus]

Here is how i do it....

insert the allens key into the toe screw, and star screwing the toe slowly until the gun fires.... (or the solenoid activates).... at this point unsrew the toe just a tinny bit....
The toe is problably now at the center of the trigger pull... ant the trigger is where you want it....


f3rn

did you mean to screw in the toe just a tiny bit more, if you unscrew it, doesn't that miss the activation point. i would think once it you pull the trigger and adjust the toe, that would have your activation point be at the rear of your pull. to center it, then you'd have to screw it in more.

thanks again for the tip!

[tgallo]

did you mean to screw in the toe just a tiny bit more, if you unscrew it, doesn't that miss the activation point. i would think once it you pull the trigger and adjust the toe, that would have your activation point be at the rear of your pull. to center it, then you'd have to screw it in more.

thanks again for the tip!


no he means unscrew it....because at that point it is screwed just passed the activation point...if you don't unscrew it the trigger will always be passed the activation point

[f3rn4ndrum5]

yep... exactlly... just when you hear the solenoid activating, you just passed the activation point (hence the redundancy)... then back it a tinny bit... and I mean tinny bit

I have to translate my thoughts from spanish to english and back.... I tought I was beeing uncoherent... hehehe

maybe I am.... now... i dunno... me partially drunken... english is been forgotten... and now its almost gone... hehe


best regards...

f3rn

[golobulus]

hmm...maybe i'm a bit confused, if i unscrew it doesn't that mean that the activation point is at the back of my trigger pull? i thought that you need to have some overtravel in your setup. by unscrewing it, doesn't that mean that there is no overtravel?

[kevine]

Not sure if this helps, but I wanted a sensitive, short trigger pull. Just as a frame of reference, I recently got my G7 (used but NIB) and it had apparently been originally purchased from Ken Crane, so it did not have the front magnet. I set the trigger close, with TR at 1. Despite the "no bounce" setting, I was getting a little trigger bounce. It would basically take off on me occasionally when I started ripping on it.

Basically, I think I had the trigger activation point set too close so vibration/kick from shooting was causing a couple extra shots occasionally. I turned the front wheel one click towards the front. I then unscrewed the set screw inside the trigger about a quarter turn out. I was still having slight mechanical bounce.

I called Walter at Cobra Paintball and he suggested turning my hopper setting down. The setting goes from 1-20. I set it at 5, at Wally's suggestion. No more bounce. I have since turned it up to 8, and still no bounce, but it's still ripping.

Anyone else ever try this with effective results?

[f3rn4ndrum5]

hey globulus....


you know what.... you might be right....

but when I said unscrew the toe a tiny bit, that meant that when the gun fired... you just passed the activation point.... in a very short trigger, this could mean that no deactivation may ocurr, therfore you must unscrew a tiny tiny bit to deactivate the switcha and enable the gun to fire again... its a very small adjustment but still, you have to try it for youself....


see ya


f3rn

[ZORN]

I too am getting a little bounce... had a ref point it out in a mandatory chrono during a tourney last weekend. I'll try lowering the hopper setting to see what happens. I've watched the trigger as best I can, and it doesn't seem to be phyically bouncing back.