CFOA and the G7 -- HELP!!

[ecorreale]

I plan on attending a CFOA event this weekend. I just noticed in their rules-n-regs that if my marker exceeds 15.1 bps, I'll be assessed a penalty.

The ramp modes on the G7 limit the ROF to 15.4 bps. Is there any way to make the G7 legal for the CFOA without sending it to get the software updated?

Normally, I would not mind having to send it for new software but the event is only a few days away.

[JeffW]

Nope. You'll have to wait for the MT/tadao board to have a legal ramping board for the CFOA. I shoot a fly with the the CFOA/PSP mode and I also play in the CFOA. You'll have to shoot in semi with you ROF set @ 14. Put your TR at a level you can get away with. At the last CFOA @ Mrytle Beach my gun failed the pact timer set @ 15 bps. Good luck. I asked the question in a thread why not have adjustable ROF for the PSP mode. Mine still wouldn't be legal though because it still fires 4-5 shots after I release the trigger. Who knows,this may be the reason for the Tadao board development. Good luck at the tourney.

[Furby]

If I remember correctly, CFOA is 15 bps capped Semi, no ramping allowed....put your G in Mode 1 and set the MROF to 15.

[Studmuffin]

yeah you have to do what furby said. you may be able to put the tr up some but it may run-away alittle so be careful with that. i had my tr at 14 and i was good. idk just fool around with yours and see what is good and what isnt. good luck though.

[JeffW]

If I remember correctly, CFOA is 15 bps capped Semi, no ramping allowed....put your G in Mode 1 and set the MROF to 15.

Ramping is very much allowed in the CFOA. As long as it starts ramping on the fourth pull and stops firing after you release the trigger and is no higher than 15bps. At every event TheMatrixCenter is their selling their Tadao boards and TAG has been to a few events as well.

[firemedic30]

So JeffW, is the mode 4 (or whatever it is) is OK??

This whole COFA, ramping, etc.....crap is confusing!!!

And exactly what is this Tadao board?

[KEN CRANE]

ok how about i try and re state. cfoa RULES state 15 bps no ramping 1 ball pur pull. what they state and what they enforce are 2 totaly different things. my suggestion is set mode 1 rof 15 tr1. anything else your setting your self up to get pinched. now in saying this i get 10 calls a week saying the others are ramping.....

[JeffW]

ok how about i try and re state. cfoa RULES state 15 bps no ramping 1 ball pur pull. what they state and what they enforce are 2 totaly different things. my suggestion is set mode 1 rof 15 tr1. anything else your setting your self up to get pinched. now in saying this i get 10 calls a week saying the others are ramping.....
True, true, Ken. What they state and what they allow are two different things. I guess their insurance company would get upset it they knew that the CFOA allowed ramping but they do. I usually play with my TR around 10 and ROF on 14. No problems. They hardly check anything.

[dosh]

ok how about i try and re state. cfoa RULES state 15 bps no ramping 1 ball pur pull. what they state and what they enforce are 2 totaly different things. my suggestion is set mode 1 rof 15 tr1. anything else your setting your self up to get pinched. now in saying this i get 10 calls a week saying the others are ramping.....


Here's what the rules say.

autos are not allowed.
4.25. Due to the number of different ways that markers can be made to be illegal and the safety
issues these illegal guns create, the CFOA will move to a capped rate of fire. All markers are
subject to inspection prior to each game at all CFOA events at all CFOA Tournaments. A marker
will be deemed legal once it passes the following criteria:
a) TEST 1 - Mechanical Bounce - Markers will be tested for mechanical bounce by a bumping or
jarring of the marker. Markers will be bumped on the tank or hopper. No contact will be made
with the trigger. The marker will be deemed to have mechanical bounce if the marker fires
during the bump test.
b) TEST 2 - Electronic Bounce - Markers will be tested for electronic bounce by shooting the
marker. The marker trigger will be firmly pulled 3 consecutive times. During these 3 pulls, the
marker may only fire 3 shots. Any marker that produces more than 3 shots on the 3 pulls will be
deemed to have electronic bounce.
c) TEST 3 - Rate Of Fire Cap - 15 balls per second will be the legal allowed limit in the CFOA.
All markers will be shot over a Pact MKIV Ballistic Timer. Any marker that exceeds the Rate of
Fire cap will be deemed illegal and will not be allowed on the field.
d) TEST 4 - “Runaway Guns” - All markers will be checked for “runaway” triggers. The marker
will be fired rapidly. The testing judge, while rapidly firing the marker will suddenly cease to pull
the trigger. Any marker that continues to fire while the trigger is NOT being pulled will be
deemed to be a “Runaway Gun” and will not be allowed on the field.
e) TEST 5 - Marker Chronographing - All markers will be chronographed prior to going onto the
field. The maximum muzzle velocity allowed will be 300 feet per second. Markers will be tested
by firing over RADARCHRON paintball chronographs.


So basically, You have to have three solid pulls and only three solid pulls. After that the marker only needs to just stop after you let off the trigger. The way they're checking for mechanical bounce is to hit the gun on it's side. If it doesn't go off you're OK, and it can't be running on.

It's kind of hard to keep up with the boys who are ramping because they don't get tired as fast, therefore they can keep more paint in the air and dominate the field. When you're squared off against 5 guys that are ramping while the ref's look on happily and three of your markers (the other two being non WDP markers) are stuck in semi you have to work harder and it's easier for them to put you in.

I don't understand why you guy's are so obstinant about this whole issue. We're telling you what we need based on actual playing conditions yet you refuse to listen.

WDP is supposed to be top of the line and able to compete against anything but in this regard they're behind the 8 ball. All the other companies have this problem figured out and have addressed it. Just give us an adjustable ramp and make it stop reasonably.

Someone stated that the Tadao board is supposed to take care of it, but I really don't want to have to give up my LCD and the stock board for it. And why should I when I've already paid $25 for an OEM software update that is not giving me the same advantage that most of the people there enjoy.

Give us ramping that we can use. We'll pay for it. And if they want to push semi, then we can always put it back in mode 1 tr1 mrof 15.

[Furby]

I wouldn't characterize it as obstinate...they're under the 8 ball because they're following the rules EXACTLY, and the PSP (to be fair, the refs) are changing the interpretation of those rules.

G 1.5 addresses this issue completely, and if you're intent on ramping in the CFOA, then Mode 3 will do that just fine. While to me 1.4 is faster and puts more paint in the air, 1.5 is far more controllable, and should do just fine for fooling CFOA refs into thinking you're actually pulling 15bps, rather than having your gun do it.

[dosh]

Thank you Furby. Is G1.5 currently available to the general public?

But to be honest with you I'm not looking to fool the ref's, I'm looking to get the most performance out of my marker that's being allowed, and it is allowed. I saw that you have an article on 68caliber.com about the Myrtle Beach Open. I don't know if you were the author, but if you were there I'm sure you would have noticed that a large portion of the people there were ramping. I didn't see anyone get pulled or checked for it.

But if G1.5 is available and will resolve this issue for me, I'll more than happily retract most of my statement and apologize for the irritated tone.

Thanks,
Josh

[BoB]

obstinate? I will have you know, I do not smell :-) The 4:1 has the latest PSP software with ramping and stops after the last trigger pull and is available for the Angel 4 fly boards and the G1:5 is the latest for the G7's. Based on what the CFOA is allowing, you should be okay as long as they continue to ignore their own rules.

[Furby]

G 1.5 is available to the public. It was created in response to the PSP's changing interpretation of their own rules.

And Bob, you have a package on the way to you...thank you for your help.

[dosh]

Thanks Bob. Up til this point I had not heard of ver.4.1 at all. How long has it been out?

Also I would like to apologize for for the tone of my post. I've just been fustrated because it seemed there was going to be no attempt by the MT's or WDP to take care of this. If it weren't for the fact that I love my Angel (especially after the EyeQ conversion) enough to suffer through this rather than sell it and purchase another marker, it wouldn't have been a big deal. I really didn't want to shoot a timmy or matrix or ego, but it was looking like the only solution.

I'd also like to retract everything I said but my statement on the rules. The only thing it says about modes is that full-auto is not allowed. Nowhere does it say semi only, just that it has to have three semi shots. After that it has to be capped at 15.0 (absolutely no more) and it has to stop when the trigger stops being pulled.

Reading your post has really made my day. Thanks to all you guys for comijng through on this.

-Josh

[JeffW]

dosh,the PSP mode will FAIL the pact test in the CFOA. I put my fly on the PSP mode (capped @ 15.4) and it failed, so I have to play in Semi. This is a random test though and you have to determine if that risk is worth it. I wish the MT's could have adjustable ROF for the PSP mode. Planet Eclipse has solved this problem with Ego's (two teammates)by swapping out boards with adustable ROF for the PSP mode at CFOA events for $25. But since we don't have adjustable ROF, I'll have to buy a $150 Tadao/Mt or TAG board board(yuk) to have this functionality. :puzzled: By the way, did you play in the CFOA event this past weekend. We finished 5th (pre-lims) on Sat. and went 1-2 in the semis.

[TeK NeaK]

i do have to agree with WDP not giving us "good" ramping modes. although the acutal modes arent bad, the trigger does run away and continue to fire a few shots after you cease to fire. and i think a cap of 15 should mean 15bps, not 15.4 or 15.3, an even 15.0. that is a legitimate request considering the marker cost $1495.00 when i bought it.

[hgroberts]

Don't throw a bi*** fit unless you know wdp has realased 2 new softwares both have wich have fixed the prolbem

[hgroberts]

Both are totaly free

[KEN CRANE]

easy there mr roberts...feeling your oats today are we....as previously discussed the reason for the multiple software versions were due to the different interpertations of the whole ramping issue. the newest versions solve the additional run on issue. the software upgrade is free so if you send it in to one of us we will flash the board for you. also dont be too sure that you wont see one of us at the cfoa events...