advantage cheater chips

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

dunno if its been brought to attention before. but i was just thinking about the advantage pb cheater chips... and i was wondering why they are allowed to make such things. for example, if there are rule put in place for safety reasons, and a company purposefully and explicitly designs something to get pass the rule without being detected, are they not to some degree responsible for say a person gettin overshot in the head and gets knocked unconscious? i mean guns(real guns) are legal... but if a company makes a gun that say gets pass metal detectors... would that company be considered responsible if a guy buys one and takes it onto a plane? (yes i kno that would be interpreted as extreme but the analogy lies in a cheater gun doesnt belong in an event anymore than a gun belongs in a plane)

[ITO]

Guns dont kill, poeple do.
Boards dont cheat, people do.

I would be very uncomfortable with any kind of legal regulation of our sport. Just think about what a great and thorough job our lawmakers do with everything else and apply that to your favorite marker and see how you like it then. Do you really think they would stop with outlawing certain boards? Why stop there?

I mean anything over 300fps is bad too. How would you feel about a law that made it illegal to make a marker that shot anything over 300fps?

[paintreliever]

its up to the people who run the tourney or field to check if something is supscious
other wise, its fair game

[El Pirata]

I still believe any and all cheaters should have their testicles pounded flat with a ballpeen hammer. 19 years of playing and I have never cheated.

[LayinRocker]

I like piratas idea on how to deal with cheaters. Except if i was holding the ballpeen hammer i might have a disturbing smirk on my face. I hate cheaters. If i ever see someone cheat in any way, im always gunning for them the rest of the day. And i never forget so everytime they come back im always out for them with a "few" bonus balls.

[1865]

its up to the people who run the tourney or field to check if something is supscious
other wise, its fair game Just to clarify, are you saying that it isn't cheating if you don't get caught? Not bashing you, I'm just not sure what you mean.
:cheers:

[paintreliever]

no cheating is cheating...
jetwing said if a company makes a ramping chip or something of that sort it should be there fault of a player buys one and takes it on the field and shoots a player to unconsciousness..
if the tourney(say nppl, keep in mind, im just using this as a example) banned the use of cheater chips/boards from the tourneys, it should be there problem since they did not spot it and clean it from the gun
of course, it is the person's fault for putting it into there gun, but its also the tourneys fault for not seeing it and stopping him...
if your going to ban something, you should know what to look for to stop it..
imo..

[1865]

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification!

[Klassy Guy]

I don't like cheaters, but I admit I have cheated once, rec ball, not a tourney I got hit on my foot, and if I didn't look down there I wouldn't have called it because I couldn't feel the shot, and I wasn't quite sure if it was a quarter or larger. That is the only time I have attempted to cheat, not sure if I even was. Advantage makes their chips extremely hard to detect, they make their chips look EXACTLY like the chips they replace, so a ref would have to input the button code to check, and only the user usually knows that. I think if cheater chips are allowed they need to be colored bright orange (like a highlighter) so they are easily identifiable, and if the marker has a lcd they need to show on boot up the word CHEAT, Advantage paintball has the new virture software which is ok, because the word virtue usually implies good. It doesn't have auto or anything like that to my knowledge. Advantage actually scammed many pbnation people into buying their chips by giving false feedback and such.

[Presto333]

and as some of u may know, advantage not only cheats on the field, but they also cheat in business (pbn, for those of u that havent heard yet). I think the type of stuff they make is just stupid, and they justify it by saying it's fun to use in the backyard or with your friends. In general i'm not a big fan of most aftermarket boards that r basically just "how many modes can we shove onto one board". But then again i'm one of the ppl that only plays straight up one-shot-one-pull paintball (none of that psp ramping §§§§). just my $0.02

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

the point is its not just for shooting in the backyard since they advertise it as, "only a unique code can turn on the modes" and to turn them off a simple press of a button... which seems like a pretty good scheme if one were to plan to cheat in a game, and if a ref spots it...click... oh what? its perfectly legal...

[paintreliever]

eh...im down wit the boards...
not the speedy §§§§ tho, cause that costs to much, i can get em cheaper...but again, to each his own

[ITO]

Is it just me or do they not make a cheater chip for Angels?
http://www.advantagepb.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.catalog

I guess Angels are so fast they dont need a cheat.

[Presto333]

ya, but ppl still feel the need to mod other ones into it :(

[Klassy Guy]

Yeah, I think it is actually for microswitch triggers only, microswitches get more bounce so mabe that is why, but opto triggers are smoother, and can have a shorter pull. You can make a opto bouncier then a microswitch with the right trigger and mod (mt trigger, and magnet mod), or at least that is what I heard.

[ITO]

IMHO:

Anything at or under 15bps REGUARDLESS of how you get there is not really cheating. Think about it, do you know any serious tourney player who can’t at least hit 15bps just by walking the trigger?

[Klassy Guy]

Yes that is true, but that is only true with the virtue chips, not the "speedy" chips. The virtue allows you to go into full auto, which in my mind isn't fair, because a player can hold the gun with one hand and fire innaccurabely (sp) and do something else too. With normal firing it is harder to fire and do some other thing, so it is more of a skill game. The auto and stuff takes some of the skill out of it. In my a4 manual it says there is a ramping mode, my field only allows semi auto, but what is the ramping mode, I have heard it is not like the advantage paintball ramping, it just fires slow then fast or something, what is going on.

[Studmuffin]

But then again i'm one of the ppl that only plays straight up one-shot-one-pull paintball (none of that psp ramping §§§§). just my $0.02

so are you saying that you wouldn't use it if you were playing psp or a tournament which permitted it? idk seems kinda ignorant to me...i dk guess its your choice though.

[Presto333]

i wouldnt play psp or ramping tourneys, havent done one yet, dont plan to in the future...

[Studmuffin]

that works too...

[Paintballjc]

I work at a field reffing right now, and our field allows ramping for the most part, except me. If i see someone ramping, i make them turn it off. I dont feel like seeing someone get over shot and their mask come flipping off(happened at PSP) cause im a lazy dude and i dont feel like running over there and jumping on them to save their eyes. Ramping is unsafe.... enough said.

[jb12]

IMHO:

Anything at or under 15bps REGUARDLESS of how you get there is not really cheating. Think about it, do you know any serious tourney player who can’t at least hit 15bps just by walking the trigger?

Are you aware of how fast 15 bps really is?? I read something by magued from Joy and he said that only 2 or 3 of his players can shoot faster than 13 bps w/o bounce or ramp...Joy is a bunch of pros...They are a great team w/ great players and if they can't shoot 13 bps, what makes you think any tourney player can shoot at least 15?? (nothing personal, not trying to trun into a flame war, just asking)

[ITO]

Are you aware of how fast 15 bps really is?? …

Don’t worry ‘bout my feelings…

Yeah I know how fast 15bps is and to be quite honest I am surprised to hear any tourney player admit they cant at least hit a 500pbs……….ok that was sarcasm but the point is when I go the fields and all the young punks brag non-stop about speeds over 20bps, and even here in these forums its not uncommon to find someone who says they can hit over 20 with their slow hand, a broken finger and while drunk…more sarcasm but you get the point. I’m not quite sure I believe a bunch of pros are having a hard time hitting 15bps.

On a really good day once I get warmed up I can maybe hit 15bps and to be perfectly honest with ZERO sarcasm…My game sucks and I have some impairment of my right hand, so I am living proof that basically any fool with enough money can buy a hot marker and hit 15bps.

[jb12]

I know, I'm one of those punks that has hit 28 (on an Angel board) which means fastest two shots...I have also seen people hit 20 plus...however those people are using electronics to help themselves out (i.e. ramp, bounce, etc.) Even though a gun can pass a bounce test, that doesn't mean it doesn't bounce...I set up all my teams guns and to be honest, all of them bounce when shooting at high rates of fire...It's not detectable during a bounce test, but when you shoot fast and you pay close enough attention, it bounces...I've set up Angels and other markers to outrun Halo B's and Reloader B's, and still be in semi...electronics do help greatly.
(I think my highest bps w/o bounce or ramp is 15 bps, on my custom e2'd 'cocker over a full second)

[ITO]

So my solution is simple, cap it at 15pbs for tourney and don’t worry about the rest.

Sure nobody wants to get lit up with a runaway trigger, but that is already happening now with the current rules that supposedly are there to prevent it.

[drewbug3]

i see ppl use cheater boards alot, i only care a lil. but the thing that makes me mad is bonus ballers, as well as ppl that do a run thru after getting hit several times. :angry:

[jb12]

i see ppl use cheater boards alot, i only care a lil. but the thing that makes me mad is bonus ballers, as well as ppl that do a run thru after getting hit several times. :angry:
Bonus balls are part of the game, but I do agree w/ you, they make me mad, especially when it's like 5 on you and you turn it down to 2 on you, then after you get hit they bonus ball you once you're already half way to the dead box. That and when you run-through on someone, then they flip on you after they've been hit 5 times.

[paintreliever]

wow, never heard of someone complain about bonus balls before..
its part of the game, most of the time its on accident, in the heat of the game, they probly just see a body and shoot at it
and most of the time, they just put a couple mroe on you to tell you that they are better...i mean, §§§§ happens
also, in the heat of the game, when you do a run through-you really cant fell them hitting you and if you do, cant really stop when your running full speed
and i do agree, most of the time i dont care if i get hit and another guy is looking the other way about 5-10 feet in from of me when im doing a run through, im gonna get that guy out to help the time...they can pull a 1-1 on me for playing on...if i got that guy out who had control of the field, its worth it

[jb12]

Nice, paintreliever, I agree w/ that, If I'm going I'm gonna finish my run, even if I am hit. And about the bonus balls, I said their only a pain if I'm half way to the dead box before they start.

[freeloader12345]

There should be a cap. 15-18bps is a great range. Every major sport has a standard and until paintball is standardized....

Why play a game where it’s so easy to cheat and there are no "replays". Did you know that during a basketball game the rims must be the same height, nets must be the same length or immediately adjusted. The reffs are trying but with the manufactures just keep giving more fuel day by day. People create bounce or we can call it steroids to help you really look at the picture. It hurts people and is dangerous. Can an angel be made illegal? Yeah just loot at the new PSP mod not 15 bps and that’s all, you can up the ante!!! All manufactures and companies do it. IT NEEDS TO STOP!

[ITO]

I always finish my run through because even if I am hit I am still a diversion for my team to take advantage of. As for bonus balls… who care? I don’t, shoot me all you want that is what I am there for. Besides accidentally shoot guys that are out all the time, so how can I get mad when they do it back?

[ITO]

i write english real good and stuff