Ball drop/Roll back issue?

[SeeNow]

First post, long time reader.

I've owned a used angel 2k1 for about a good 6 months now and have had no real issues with the gun untill the last month or so. Prior too the issues ive been having the gun has worked just like a dream.

The issue im having is that I can shoot up too about 3-5 balls at a fast pase with no problem. As soon as shoot more than that amount the balls begin to drop and or chop. Again, if I keep the speed down and or only shoot in 3-5 round bursts I have no issue. Once I open it up going as fast as I can pull the trigger, I chop and or get the drop off.

Now my first reaction too the problem was too send it to the local angel shop and see what he had too say. He took the gun and adjusted the regs and said there was some minor adjustments that needed too be made but other than that it was in good condition. So I took it home and tried it out... same problem the next day. 3-5 shots=fine, shooting more than that=chop town.

So I call the guy back up and he tells me that this is a problem very specific to angels. Its called a "Roll back" where the ball that is in the chamger gets lodged behind the ball that is going to drop after it gets shot. The best way i can explain it is that the ball in the chamber moves about 1/8-1/16th of an inch too the back of the gun and the ball above it drops slightly in front of it. Thus when it shoots you see a loss in speed due too the fact it has push the ball above it out of the way then through the barrel.

Now, im very new too angels and have no idea if this is true or not. I asked him what too do too fix it and he said it was a minor fix of removing the back plate and adjusting the bolt/ram (not sure of its technical term) a slight amount so that it moves the bolt forward enough that it does not occur.

The reason im posting this here is too clarify if this is an issue with Angels in general, a specific model issue that can be fixed with a new part, and or a total load of bull. Any answers or suggestions at this point would be much appreciated being that I love the gun and would love too continue using it. Although if these problems continue it wont make sence too continue using the gun.

Thanks in advance.

(P.S. sorry for the long first post)

[three fut nuthin]

you need to adjust your ram wich is behind the back plate (use the manual at www.wdp.tv/manuals) and try out a soft face bolt they have that nose so it will prevent roll back.

[SeeNow]

He did mention that using a new bolt like you mentioned might prevent it as well. I may look into investing in a new one like you both mentioned.

As for adjusting the ram, ive tried a few times and each time ive had minimal sucess with the adjustments. Ill have to read up on it a bit more but I just hope its not something that im going to need to fix every time I want to play.

Thanks for the reply :)

[Eclipse363]

First off, are you using a Halo or an egg? Double check your LPR, make sure its at 85 psi dwell at 14. If you had it serviced and the guy didnt fix your ram setting, I wouldnt take it back there again, and I would double check everything they did myself. I highly doubt its roll back, especialy since its not proven to even exist.

[Eclipse363]

If you think it is still roll-back after checking your gun again, have a look at this thread (http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=44138)

[SeeNow]

The more and more I think about what might be the issue, I keep going back too the bolt. The one that shipped with the gun never seemed right, in fact it didn't even have the groove for the ball detent. Im going to take it back and have him take one more look at it along with go ahead and order one of the soft face bolts.

As for roll back existing or not, all I know is that it apears to be rolling back inside the gun ever so slightly. Wether this can be caused by pressure settings and or ram settings im not sure. Im sure after playing with it enough Ill get it working.

Oh, as for hopper im using an empire reloader B

*EDIT*

That Jambolt looks pretty sweet, I may need to pick one up. Thanks :)

[Vantage_TeS]

There isn't supposed to be a groove for the ball detent. The groove on Angel bolts are for SENSI/COPS rods.

[SeeNow]

Ok, thats more good stuff to know. The guy at the shop told me that thats what the groove was for. Hmmm all good information to bring with me when I go back.