Gutting the mini-reg

[C.Carles-AOG]

To use the mini-reg as a gas thru grip you must remove the spring washers and the ball bearing. To do this, first remove the c-clip. Next turn the reg. upside down and tap it against a hard surface (ie. work bench top) until the main piston (large), the adjustment piston (small), and the ball bearing fall out. Remove the spring washers from the large piston, and remove the ball bearing. Insert the small piston (small black o-ring facing up), then the large piston (the o-ring groove on top). Re-install the c-clip and you are all set.

Hope this helps!

[Sapp]

Originally posted by SPEED
To use the mini-reg as a gas thru grip you must remove the spring washers and the ball bearing. To do this, first remove the c-clip. Next turn the reg. upside down and tap it against a hard surface (ie. work bench top) until the main piston (large), the adjustment piston (small), and the ball bearing fall out. Remove the spring washers from the large piston, and remove the ball bearing. Insert the small piston (small black o-ring facing up), then the large piston (the o-ring groove on top). Re-install the c-clip and you are all set.

Hope this helps!

hey this is what speed says about the reg, its a past subject, if this quoting does not work go to the 3 or 4th page of the fourms and u will see the Topic, "Gutting mini-reg" posted by Speed hope this is what ur looking for bro good luck

[j03]

how do u get the circlip out?

[j03]

c-clip* sorry

[WarpedKid02]

With C-Clip pliers.

[j03]

is it possible to get it out without c-clip pliers? because i dont have any angel tools

[i like tictacs]

use an allen wrench and your free hand to work it off, not too hard

[matthepepe]

i used an allen wrench and pliers, and just kind of ripped it out, you have to be careful not to bend it to much so it goes back in tight.

[Gary1]

c-clip pliers (Sears,$9.00)... A "must have" for your Angel Care Kit(tackle box-Wal-Mart, $8.00)

[mramseyISU]

Or of you can't spring for the $9 I'm sure you have a pick for removing orings and you can use it for that too. Personally I'd just sac up and get the Snap ring pliers.

[j03]

well i have all those things above to take it out... but i still dont know how to get it out

[zombie93]

what's the advantages of cleaning out the minireg? and does it make a big difference?

[C.Carles-AOG]

when it gets dirty you will sometimes experience shootdown. the lpr recharges faster with it clean too.

[Jedrith]

Originally posted by NomadTommy
c-clip pliers (Sears,$9.00)... A "must have" for your Angel Care Kit(tackle box-Wal-Mart, $8.00)

Keeping you angel shooting perfect...Priceless.

[j03]

so does anyone know how to take out the c-clip?

[j03]

lol nice jedrith

[WarpedKid02]

Insert the two "tits" in the two holes on the c-clip. Then squeeze, and remove.

[j03]

gotcha... thanks for your help

[mycallbumbum]

LOL over half of this thread says how to take a C clip out.

[Drachen]

After gutting my mini reg, it rattles when I shake it (I assume because the washers are no longer in there to brace the pistons tightly. So, is there any way to avoid this rattle in a gutted mini reg? Did I do something wrong?

Thanks!

[CrazyIrving]

Originally posted by Drachen
After gutting my mini reg, it rattles when I shake it (I assume because the washers are no longer in there to brace the pistons tightly. So, is there any way to avoid this rattle in a gutted mini reg? Did I do something wrong?

Thanks!

It should be taken out and left empty

Crazy Irving

[Drachen]

The original post states that both the main and adjustment pistons need to be reinserted into the housing after the bearing and washers are removed...doesn't it?

Also, I think I did try it totally empty, and it air rushed out of it...seems to need the seals on the pistons.

[matman1]

i cant get the ball bearing out...help!

[matman1]

HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[peejii]

I couldn't get the second piston and the ball bearing out myself until I figured that I wasn't using enough force. Put a towel on a hard surface and tap the minireg against it quite hard until the second piston comes out. Open the velocity adjuster and the ball bearing will come out easily.

Do this on your own responsibility(it worked for me) so don't sue me if you mess up your mini. ;)

p-j

[RonnyMcDYO]

if I gut my mini reg will I not experience the drop in FPS when shoting strings? I have angel air, it doesnt spike, but it doesnt stay consistant. Want to make sure.

[DaddyX]

MY LeD's consistancy was crap.Tried ever tank known to man and it still sucked.Solution-Clean it or gut it.If your running an adjustable tank thats really consistant(ie. Maxflo) I'd gut tho Mofo.After cleaning my reg I experieinced no spikeage,or inconsistancy.Hoppe this helps Ronny.

If your runnign A.I.R your safe to gut it.

[RonnyMcDYO]

Ok thanx ill give it a shot. I just took it apart and took most of the old grease out of it there seemed to be a lot in there, put some luv juice in, hopefully that helps, if not then ill gut the thing. Thanx

[RonnyMcDYO]

I was wondering if I readjusted my spring stack, or took some of them out, would it allow a higher flow rate? just curious.

[paintballaholick]

now since there is nothing the in reg does it matter where what used to be the velocity adjustment screw is? should i just screw it in all the way....or make it flush with the reg, or does it even matter!

[RonnyMcDYO]

id probably open it up as far as possible, thats what im going to do if I gut it.

[p8ntballdude]

ok, i gutted my minireg like u say to, but does it matter where the large piston rests, like all the way up towards the c clip, or at the bottom as far as it will go? and mine hsa a lot of grease in it, should i clean it out and just put a lil love juice in there when i next air i up?

[RonnyMcDYO]

Id just leave the pistons out of there man, use your former mini reg like a gas thru.

[Emmit]

I think you actually have to put part of it back in or you're now gas thru will leak

[Kris1187]

if i gut my mini reg of my mamba ir3 wat should i run into it with my angel air?

[Emmit]

start at about 350 and then adjust from there

[p8ntballdude]

yeah if i take everyything out theres tons of holes. i fixed it by oiling the orings for a better seal. so now it doens't leak till i shut my air off and don't shoot a few times to empty the flash tank and chamber. anybody know what to do to stop the leaking all together? i think the piston just partially covers the hole in the body of the reg. shuld i maybe add a shim to raise the piston and have the oring completely above the hole? that seems it would stop the leaking, but i don't know if it would do anything to the flow rate. SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!

[Kris1187]

does it matter where the velocity screw is set? or should i turn it all the way out

[RonnyMcDYO]

I just gutted mine today and yes you need to put your piston and that other little piece back into the mini reg or else your crap leaks like a mofo. I have my angel AIR at 350 ouput and you still use your velocity screw to adjust a bit. I have mine screwed right out and my air at 350 and I get 260, but I still get fps drop off it pisses me off I dont know whats up with that, it drops like 30 fps when I string paint.

[Kris1187]

ya same here but i turned my velovity screw out a little passed flush with the reg and to get the fps up i was running it over 400 and still getting some drop off

[RonnyMcDYO]

So much for an angel with angel AIR being the most consistant gun. They are only supposed to deviate 1 fps, mine is dropping 10 fps for 3 shots and staying there, thats not supposed to happen. Anyone have any ideas?

[C.Carles-AOG]

If you did it right gutting the mini-reg does not leak. You still put all the pieces back, except for the ball bearing and spring washers, just in a different order. Also, you do not need to adjust the velocity screw, as once you've turned it into a gas-through it does nothing for you in terms of adjustability.
If your gun is inconsistant then the problem is either your gun or your air supply system.

[RonnyMcDYO]

Well is an Angel on Angel AIR not supposed to be +- 1 fps? I dont understand why im dropping like that. Im happy it dont spike but I didnt spend this kind of money on an air regulator that is this heavy to do what its doing. Im just a little annoyed.

[Kris1187]

:dito: :dito:

same here, couldnt have said it better my self.

[Kris1187]

but i currently had the whole thing cleaned and adjsuted basically a tune up so it should be fine now, try that ronny.

[RonnyMcDYO]

Yea im taking my gun in to have it looked at, I asked my tech aboot it and he said my LPR might be blown, so im going to have him look at it. I did tear it down myself and clean it out and then reasemble it. I have yet to get air into it, as for a chrono might be awhile before I get to one of those. If anyone else has a suggestion as to why my gun drops like that or what can be done to remedy it im all ears. I was thinking getting a bigger volumizer might help some.

[Maelstrom]

what does gutting the minireg accomplish?

[Emmit]

it allows you to use the minireg as a gas thru grip, and use your air system to regulate your velocity....I don't recommend it, but if you're going to do it I suggest only doing it if you have an Angel AIR.

[RonnyMcDYO]

Ive actually been thinking of putting my mini reg back together because it might be the cause of my fps drop off at the chrono. To keep my gun at 260 fps I need to have my input at 350 which I think is why my gun is starving for when I shot faster who knows.

[painball]

Umm..would it hurt if I slightly bend one of the c-clip things? I tried using an allen wrench before I searched...

[jdp72]

Is this the same procedure for all mini-regs??? Including the Speed/A4/F4????

[tylerars24]

yes it is the same for all the mini regs.

i don't really need to know this, but how does one determine that an lpr is blown?

[C.Carles-AOG]

LPR is blown if all else is tuned correctly and your consistency just isn't right. You'll get wild fluctuations with your fps.

[C.Carles-AOG]

By the way, is anyone running straight in from an AIR to a SPEED, A4 or new Fly?

[RonnyMcDYO]

Well I experienced rfdo with a gutted mini reg and fsdo as well. I did end up replacing my lpr as the seal in it was fubared, I think I over pressurized it once or twice and screwed it up, so you guys dont get these problems with a gutted mini reg.

[C.Carles-AOG]

Ronny, sounds like your LPR was on its way out and then over-pressurizing finally kicked its arse. I have run from 550 and under into the minireg when tuning and I have had no issues. Right now I run up to 450, usually less, and the gun just flat out rips with great trajectory. Granted I maintain my equipment to be in mint condition.

[C.Carles-AOG]

Just posting this up here for reference.
Modifying A.I.R. to be LP: http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=4452
Thanks to Jim from Impact.