volumizers?

[younggunna69]

The valve stem has seen a complete redesign,with a NEW valve stem, NEW spring and NEW spring guide being made as one modular system, offering even better shot to shot consistency. The valve, spring, and guide have also been miniaturized to facilitate a larger gas chamber. This, combined with a larger volume chamber in the mini reg, lowers the operating pressure of the marker to 225psi with no volumizer present, making the G7 the lowest pressure Angel ever, A small volumizer can still be used to lower the pressure even further if required.

So you can only use small volumizers? Or can you use big ones too? What volumizers fit the G7. Can you put only one volumizer or can you put two? Please help me!

[Trigga Nometry]

See this post: http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=42846 for more information.

[Sparco]

Speaking of the valve spring guide, Trigga... did you see the new design that WDP is using? It looks nothing like this:

[Trigga Nometry]

No I haven't! They already changed it?

[El Pirata]

The valve stem has seen a complete redesign,with a NEW valve stem, NEW spring and NEW spring guide being made as one modular system, offering even better shot to shot consistency. The valve, spring, and guide have also been miniaturized to facilitate a larger gas chamber. This, combined with a larger volume chamber in the mini reg, lowers the operating pressure of the marker to 225psi with no volumizer present, making the G7 the lowest pressure Angel ever, A small volumizer can still be used to lower the pressure even further if required.

So you can only use small volumizers? Or can you use big ones too? What volumizers fit the G7. Can you put only one volumizer or can you put two? Please help me!For the most part a G-7 doe not need a volumizer in any way. You can add one if you really want but they are not really needed.

[Sparco]

Trigga, check it out:

There are actually four variants that I've found of the valve spring. There's the original (in the above photo), the 2nd variant is the short one piece looking design, the 3rd variant has the more exposed valve stem. I do not have a photo of the 4th variant handy but it's essentially the stem of the 1st variant and the spring design of the 3rd. Interesting stuff.

Both were taken out of these .45 framed G7s, the 2nd variant coming out of the black gloss and the 3rd variant coming out of the Reg gloss. No idea exactly which is the "newer" design.

[tgaffner]

Why in the wolrd would they already be changing their design?

Have either of you experienced any problems with your Exaust Valves?

[Trigga Nometry]

Why in the wolrd would they already be changing their design?

Have either of you experienced any problems with your Exaust Valves?Nope. I haven't.

It looks like the newer design takes up even less space in the exhaust side which can incorporate a higher volume of operating regulated air, but that's just my guess.

Either that or they could not get the "star" design made in time for the 45 frame release so they went with a simplier design. WDP has had to that such things in the past.

BTW Sparco - Thanks for the pics. Cool stuff to see.

[Sparco]

No problem with my exhaust valve, WDP's new design has proven to be much reliable over long periods of time and create a better seal on the valve guide. Perhaps in their continued R&D process they determined that the newer designs improved the performance of the marker.

No idea really why they changed it but Trigga's guess seems along the right lines. I certainly wouldn't panic if you have the "older" design. Nevertheless it caught me off guard when I was inspecting each marker before point of sale and noticed the change.

[Sparco]

When in doubt, call Ken. I swear, he must dread seeing my # on his Blackberry.

Anyway, I clarified with him the design change and here is what the master had to say:

They recently changed the design to one of the new variants, photo 4 & 5 is what the newest variant is. Reasoning behind it? First of all it was easy to produce and after R&D on the component WDP determined that the "wings" on the spring rod were not needed. Originally designed to ensure the rod stayed centered at all times it was later determined that the rod would stay centered on its own without the wings. By eliminating this area of the component it would also eliminate any potential friction caused by the wings.

Does this mean the original design is inferior? Absolutely not. In no way is the new design any better in terms of performance, reliability or even operating pressure. No need to panic, freak out, complain or request a product swap.

Thanks Ken, as always you're an asset to the community.

[Trigga Nometry]

Awesome! Thanks for the update :worthy: .

[El Pirata]

I swear, he must dread seeing my # on his Blackberry. :dito:

[rdoc12345]

so is it possible now to use a volumizer, i read the hole thing but didnt understtand it

[El Pirata]

It is possible right out of the box to use a volumizer on the lpr. It is impossible right out of the box to use a volumizer on the valve side. In order to do that you'll need a jig fabricated to hold the valve stem in place like Trigga made. http://www.angel-owners.com/showpost.php?p=373710&postcount=10

[TeK NeaK]

ok, noob questin of the week, on the lpr side, if you use a volumizer, would you need to tweak the lpr, or what. in other words would it affect the lpr, if with out the volumizer it is running say......42psi......now with the volumizer in place, will it drop affect the pressure up or down with out (myself) doing anything? thanks a lot.....and one more thing would you use volumizers on both sides to get best results or just use one on one side and which side would you use the larger vol's? thanks

mark

sorry i have so many questions.

[Sparco]

Mark,

No question is a stupid question. Although logic would tell you that if you wanted to increase the air volume for the LPR you'd put a volumizer on that side, you'd be incorrect. The volumizer on the LPR is useless on the newer (segmented) Angels, as the volume chamber is more effective on the valve stem side.

How much more effective? Questionable. You figure, it 7 generations of Angels only 1 has come with a volumizer (from the factory). Mostly it's a "fashion accessory" and on the G7 it's also a hassle to get one on there... unless you modify existing components.

An LPR pressure of 42psi is a great number and on the G7 you'll have no problem running at such a pressure (reliably) without a volumizer.

[TeK NeaK]

thank you, i just have never owned an angel, and getting the G7 i havent quite figured out what is fact and fiction on the "must have" list. but i do agree about the fashion, as the front end does kind of need something, so trigganometry. please make some more of those valve stems for us so we can be fashionably correct! thanks a lot.

mark