Feedneck, HALO, bad paint...

[trickytrix]

I just thought I'd share my experience with all of you.

I have a Fly, and a G7. Both have the Check-it low rise, which is still pretty tall compared to other markers due to the breech opening problem.

When I use quality paint (Inferno and above) I never have any problems with either HALO B w/Victory, or my Reloader B.

When I use sub-par paint (Blaze, PMI, zap...) I'm guaranteed a few breech/barrel breaks out of every case which really ruins my day, and unfortunately most weekends this is the only paint available for practice.

I've tried the JAM RAS bolt, and now the G7's bolt which stops the rollback issue, but I think the real issue is how tall the feedneck is when using a powerful forcefed loader.

My matrices can shoot any, and I mean ANY paint without a problem, so why should an angel with a lower LPR than my matrix chop?? Well, I think I figured it out.

Its the size of the feedneck putting too many balls in the stack thus too much pressure cracking the balls before they hit the breech. The solution: A No-Pro rise from CCM. Sure, I can't open the breech, but since I put that thing on I haven't chopped once, and I guarantee its because there are less balls under constant pressure. In all my years playing this sport not once have I ever had to open the breech of an angel on the field anyway, so losing that ability doesn't bother me in the slightest

Just thought I'd share since a lot of people around my local field have had issues with cheap paint and newer angels and this has helped them greatly reduce, if not eliminate the problems playing with cheaper paint. Thanks for reading.

[KillerFlah]

so are you saying that the G7 still chops?

[Trigga Nometry]

So are you getting barrel breaks, chops, or both? Do you know which for sure?

[ninja_kahn]

what is a "A No-Pro rise from CCM" where can i go to look at one?

[Trigga Nometry]

what is a "A No-Pro rise from CCM" where can i go to look at one?Here http://www.chipleymachine.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=52&products_id=40

[PBsmurf]

I love CCM Feednecks. No Pros are off the hook..

[APachon]

I willlet you know how my G7's fare with field paint as I am sporting Check-It low Rise feed necks.

~A

[trickytrix]

I can say positively that I was getting both chops and barrel breaks, and I'm quite sure of myself in saying it was the combination of the power of the HALO and cheap paint - I have not had the problem since going to the lower feedneck

[PBsmurf]

Nice Tricky Trix. The No Pro rise was going to be my first upgrade.

[DarkRipper]

I just stopped using a halo.

Eggo z board for the win. Holds more paint too.

;)

DR

[trickytrix]

If the Egg didn't look so goofy, I would consider it, but the HALO works flawlessly on any other marker I've used with the exception of the Angel, which is ironic since every Angel has a HALO :)

[PBsmurf]

I love eggs, i love revys, i love halos.. Actually i dont love any of them. I love paintball and i love to play. So whatever hopper im using, ill be playing paintball and as long as im playing paintball, im happy.
End Of Story.

But yes eggs look goofy. And my halo worked on my angel speed 05.

[Spedracer]

its not the size of the feedneck, look at any other gun. you see tall and short feednecks. Dynasty uses ccm/hybrid high rises, why? because they are skinnier where you need to see. Thus allowing you to see better. They dont have problems. I hardly ever see any matrixes with low rises. Dm4s, dye matrixes, most have high rises, with the exception of the dm5.

Now there is always the possibility, but i doubt it. just look around.

[fife]

I agree, I don't think that the feedneck is the issue either.

Some people believe that if the feedneck on the marker or hopper was too long or too short that the eyes in the loader would align between two balls instead of directly at one which caused the loader to continue to feed. I haven't had that problem though. I use CCM necks on all our markers, the Fly will still chop with the Pro rise and a Halo. I haven't seen any G's chopping, strange?????

I suppose in your case it's pretty clear cut, one neck chops the other doesn't :notsure:

[mr dmfizzle]

rock a revy!!!!! :boobies:

[trickytrix]

Well, I've said this before in previous posts - every marker is different. The exact same settings will produce different results with the same model marker.

All I know is the no-pro made a huge difference for me. Who knows, maybe my loaders are just that super fast that I needed less balls in the stack creating back pressure.

I do know that it was proven a few years ago (right after the HALO B arrived on the market) that a lower rise would yield much better performance because you won't have as much pressure on the ball stack.

I'm not saying everyone needs to go buy a lower feedneck, I'm just saying that if you're having problems, it might be a good option to try.

[bunkermonkey88]

why wont you be able to open your breech with the "no-rise" and "no-pro" ccm feed necks

[bunkermonkey88]

cause they are soo small and they go over where the breech-door opens

[Fu_ness]

actually, No-pro's are very popular with DM's.
On PBN there is even a guy who mills out the DM4-5 so that the rise is only about a quarter wide.(as in, you can barely fit a quarter, width wise, between the gun, and the loader)
Cost you about $50, but makes the profile EXTREMELY small, and the main selling point was that it shortens the length of the feedneck, for the same purpose's that trickytrix said.

[Talfuchre]

I think I know why the feedneck matters - but it is not the verticle height. It is inner diameter. I.D.

I think I.D. on the Angel feedneck (in order to be compression) allows for the ball second ball in the stack to roll forward or back. When it rolls back - and causes the first ball (seen more prevelently on powerfed hoppers like the Halo but more so on the Halo Reloader) to roll forward - it allows the second ball to peek into the chamber and be molested by the bolt when firing the ball in the chamber.

Most times - with good paint - this second ball can take this pressure - but with cheap paint it causes the second ball to be pinched - and then blow up in the barrel - and sometime it cuts that ball and causes a bolt chop.

Take that No-Pro and the stock feedneck and measure the I.D. with calipers. I guarantee they are a different I.D. The one that works will be smaller.

TF

[APachon]

Talfuchre, that is an interesting assertion. Is anyone able to measure the ID of the no-pro versus that of either a hybrid or a Check-It Low Rise???

~A

[bunkermonkey88]

no one answered my question Why cant you open the breech door with the "no-pro" and "no-rise"

[APachon]

cause the breech door will be obstructed by the feed neck