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ITO
04-26-2005, 05:08 PM
I visit and post in several PB forums and talk paintball with my local buddies. One topic that comes up quite often is BYOP fields; there are not very many fields that will let you bring your own paint.

In the past this has been a sore point for me because one of my favorite fields wont let you bring your own paint, but will gladly sell complete crap to you for $100 a case, medium grade goes for $120 a case and Premium for upwards of $160 a case. It’s a complete joke, so much so I rarely play there and when I do I have to resort to sneaking in my own paint, because I just cant afford to pay for a case of paint what I spent on my last HPA bottle.

I am used to buying really good paint for $35-$45 a case and ultra premium for around $60. The price some fields charge is akin to highway robbery at 200-400% mark-ups. I have no clue how some of the younger kids who play there can afford it, unless they are doing the same thing I am and sneak it in.

Having had enough one day I confronted the owner about no allowing anyone to bring their own paint and he reply was that is was a liability issue. He said something to the effect that he was liable for any paint shot on his field the only way he could control it was to supply all the paint himself.

His excuse for the rip off prices was that the market was baring it quite nicely considering the fields were full… I wondered he knew half of us there had snuck out own paint in.

We I did not take anything he said seriously until last weekend. My buds and I were playing one of the few local fields that allow BYOP, and one of my buds is a cheap bastard. This guy is so cheap he buys his paintballs at Wal-Mart in a 5 gallon bucket 4000 at time, I did not catch the name but I want to call them Zap. Well he had these paint balls for over a couple of years and they were hard as rocks.

During our game I kept getting hit but the paint did not break, at first it was ok because I got to keep playing and I was not about to whine about getting hurt in front of my buddies, but as the day went on I got pretty bruised up. Then I took a shot to my arm at about 15 feet and it tore a chunk of skin off and still did not break.

I had to quit to go get the bleeding to stop and while I was at the rest area I took some of his paintballs and tried to break them with my fingers. I crushed them hard as I could and could not break them. Then I took one and hit it with a wrench and got it to break, it was a really hard.

Then it dawns on me why some fields don’t let you bring your own paint, because this stuff was dangerous… Ok I get it now, but it does not justify 400% markups.

Our game ended after I loaded up my hopper with my buddy the cheap bastard’s paint and played against him for a half a game, it turns out he cried like a little girl when he got shot by his own paint. He really whined and made a big deal out of me stealing his paint, then when the rest of my buddies figured out what he was talking about they all wanted a turn with his paint too, it seems I am not the only one who was getting bruised up pretty badly and keeping a tight lip about it. He literally had to run away as he was bonus balled off the field.

We then took his paint and dumped it the porta-potty as he continued to whine about stealing his paint, and we had some ‘words’ at this point I am not sure if he is our buddy any more, and some serious asskickery will take place if he shows up next week with another bucket of cheap ass paint.

A word to the wise… pay attention to what kind of paint the other people on the field are shooting. Some of that stuff is bad news and can injure you.

Emmit
04-27-2005, 09:02 AM
While I don't condone using Wal-Mart bucket paint at all.

I have to say something about the complaints of prices.

First off paint is the largest money maker for fields. They aren't making money off of your field fees, they aren't making money off of your air fees. They make their money off of your paint. Plain and simple that's their income.

Now onto the subject of price in general.

I have to laugh at anyone who complains about paint prices. I've been in this game long enough to have seen many changes. There was a time when $100+ per case was considered acceptable and if you could get a case at 100 even you got the cheap stuff. When RP first introduced All-Star in their original Evil Yellow fill (best paint EVER) it was in excess of $125 a case! People gladly paid it tho, and considered it a bargain! Ask some of the guys about paying for what amounted to $10 for a 10 round tube even farther back. Prices have drastically changed over time, and I still see no issue with a field making it's money. If that field doesn't make the money to cover their lease, insurance and upkeep etc that field will be closed. Then you'll be stuck either going somewhere else or playing in backyard. You make the choice...let's hope it's the right one.

El Pirata
04-27-2005, 09:29 AM
Back in 86 or 87 paint by the case was $150 for 2500. Considering a gallon of gas at that time was under a buck and today gas is $2 a gallon I would not bitch about the paint prices these days. Emmit definately hit the nail on the head when he said that paint was the money maker for the field.

Talon
04-27-2005, 09:54 AM
Agree with Emmit and El Pirata. Some of the fields that I have played at get their cases at $15-$25 a case and the usual mark-up is $70-$80, but that's usually for good paint that I know will more often than not be brittle enough to break, keep bounces to a minimum, and are fairly consistent in shape and size. Paint has come down in price over the years, especially at events. Either find a field that let's you bring your own or talk to the owner if you're on a team and maybe he'll cut you a break for an additional fee to let you use your sponsors paint. That's what we normally go through, they usually want to test it first to make sure it's not going to cause the damage that you were speaking of and the fee can sometimes be annoying, but it helps.

ITO
04-27-2005, 12:32 PM
As for what people used to pay for paint... well just because RAM used to sell for $100 a meg does not mean I am happy to be ripped off for it now.

I have no problem paying $80 for a case of paint that the field bought for $25-$30 but when they turn around and try to sell the same case to me for $120 then I have a problem.

Talon
04-27-2005, 01:08 PM
Understood. But there isn't anything we can do about it except give up our passion and a big part, at least for me, of my life. Bear down and take it, a lot of us are in the same boat. The thing that gets me is that when I practice with the Vipers, I end up spending less for a two-day practice against teams like Aftershock or the Americans than I do for a couple of hours at a local field around here. We just have to take it.

Klassy Guy
04-27-2005, 10:00 PM
My field charges 45 dollars for a thousand and I still think this is expensive. I am sadly a poor poor poor poor poor high schooler. I know what it feels like to be ripped off, but in the end it is worth it. The nice thing is that I only use 1000 rounds per day, so It is ok.

ITO
04-28-2005, 09:22 AM
I HATE that stupid flatline, why won't smart parts sue the crap out of tippmann so they can't make flatlines

***COFFEE SPIT***

BHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Here is my solution to overpriced paint. It’s not completely honest but I feel it does support the sport while making it possible for me to play.

I BUY two bags (half a case) of the over priced stuff so the field owner can make some money to pay his bills, then I sneak the rest in. The night before I buy a case of the exact same brand, grade and color paint and put it all in pods, (I have a lot of pods) then I put these pods in my oversized gear bag and they get mixed with the pods I fill with field paint. It all it’s the same paint and you can’t tell them apart.

Is it honest? Not totally, but I am trying to be fair and I do buy some paint from them.

El Pirata
04-28-2005, 02:57 PM
As for what people used to pay for paint... well just because RAM used to sell for $100 a meg does not mean I am happy to be ripped off for it now.

I have no problem paying $80 for a case of paint that the field bought for $25-$30 but when they turn around and try to sell the same case to me for $120 then I have a problem.Well if you want to play there legally then you're going to have to pay. Bitching about it rarely improves anything, sometimes it even causes more problems. You either pay their prices or find another field. I am sure you could find another field that will make the time consumed getting there vs the price of their paint worth it.

ITO
04-28-2005, 03:03 PM
I found another field and now I get shot wiht Walmart paint and it hurts... How is that for Bitching?

Talon
04-28-2005, 03:12 PM
Well...you can't have everything!

ITO
04-28-2005, 03:18 PM
He he he well it's simple enough to fix, just don't get shot right?

October Fly
04-28-2005, 04:36 PM
I believe if the great minds come together, there is a solution. I believe it's not an easy one but I think there will be a day when everyone will be able to go out, shoot as much paint as their little hearts desire, and still allow the field owners to make a living. Many people want to make paintball mainstream and this will happen when everyone can go out and play/compete without being turned off by the cost (this would help more than televizing events...IMO).

El Pirata
04-28-2005, 04:56 PM
Many people want to make paintball mainstream and this will happen when everyone can go out and play/compete without being turned off by the cost (this would help more than televizing events...IMO).
You have no idea how much more mainstream paintball has gotten within the last 10 years. I can't even begin to imagine what it will be like 10 years from now.

October Fly
04-28-2005, 05:07 PM
I discovered it 8 months ago and my only regret is not having discovered it before.

ITO
04-28-2005, 06:13 PM
I discovered it 8 months ago and my only regret is not having discovered it before.

I am in the same boat...

October Fly
04-30-2005, 12:53 PM
:cheers: