expulsions at school

[sharps990]

i know this affects none of you since to my knowlage none of you have ever been to my school, but i need somewhere to air this out.

aproximatly two months ago our school offered a trip to costa rica as a fun thing to do over mid winter break (febuary). the trip took place and people came home acting like nothing had happened, but things did happen; people purchaced and smoked pot on a school trip, and drank as well. this had sever and astounding conciquences that i will go into later. these kids, 6 in total, got home with out the shaprones not having a clue about the entire thing. the way they where cought where through running their mouthes. they told people about what they had done and this reached the faculty. at this point the faculty couldnt act on runmors so they decided to extort the information out of the people. basicily they lied to the students saying that if they confesed to doing these things they would receve a lesser punishment. so most of them did; they where brutally honest to the point of implacating other students. they where then put infront of a diciplanary comitty and then expled. this is the hyprocracy that the entire school threating to walk out. today was entierly devoted to discussing the situation. this morning was devoted to a meating of the 200 and some odd # of people in our high school.

i have to go for now because its time for lunch with the entire high school. but im not finished with my rant and rave. tho im not directly affected by this situation i am quite dismayed.

i know this dosnt affect any of you and none of you have to read it or respond to it, i just wanted to say what i felt.

thanks for giving me a place to wright this out

sharps

[thog94]

Loose lips sink ships.

[matthepepe]

If its not against the law to do things like that in the other country the schools got a tough argument, on the other hand if the school wants to take action against anyone it should be the adults who were supposed to be supervising

[Vantage_TeS]

It's a school sanctioned trip so school rules apply.

Sure it sucks, but if people are gonna be stupid enough to do it to start with, and then stupid enough to brag about it afterwards they deserve what they got.

[El Pirata]

Smoking pot and drinking underage is illegal in Costa Rica. The legal drinking limit in that country is 18 but most places have and enforce an old enough to reach the bar kind of rule. While not being a lawyer the way I see it, any of the student over the age of 18 should not be expelled regardless of whether they were singled out for drinking.

Smoking pot is a different story, they have witness' and that's it. It's not like they all participated in Operation Golden Flow upon their return so all they have are witness' and no physical evidence. Again not a lawyer here but seems they could leave themeselves open to a lawsuit for expelling the students.

Seems to me any parent of one of the expelled students with a decent lawyer will get them reinstated. For it to be a school sanctioned event and this happening the chaparones should be more than just toast (add a side of bacon, eggs and ham too) because it is their responsibility for what happened.

While I think smoking dope is stupid, now, I believe all kids are going to do their experimentation with it. Some will kick the habit and a few will become dependent upon it. It's just the way it is. Drinking, same rules apply. The school is going to be under a microscope over the next few months and probably a little into next year.

I would rather them spend that money they are wasting on the microscope and spend it on the literacy of the students.

[paintreliever]

It's a school sanctioned trip so school rules apply.

Sure it sucks, but if people are gonna be stupid enough to do it to start with, and then stupid enough to brag about it afterwards they deserve what they got.
everying is agreed on this side

[Presto333]

i dont understand wut ur mad about?

[paintreliever]

probly the school

[sharps990]

really i was getting some of the energy out with my first post...they brought our whole high school together to tell us about it and we where all pretty upset

i guess i was kinda angry at the kids who did the act, because none of the shaprones knew anything about the drinking or smoking of the pot, so if they hadnt run their mouthes to their friends who then told their parents or whoever they would have been fine

stupid kids

sharps

[walbuls]

Deny,Deny,Deny and plede the 5th lol

[Presto333]

lol, first they shouldnt of been running thier mouths off. Then even if they did, they shouldnt have plead gulty. i mean gimme a break, if they come to u and ask u to admit it, they obviously r going off someone elses word. And in the world of america, someones word doesnt mean §§§§. its all about proof...

[Won Hunglo]

I hate it when school officials lie to students just to get what they want. They did it back in my day too. Never trust a school official who wants to "cut a deal". You would think after Columbine they would have learned a lesson and stop picking on and lying to the little guy you think is defenseless.

[Sloffie]

Im with walbuls and presto on this, those guys definately should have completely and uterly denied any and all involvment. and im sorry but you guys all seem very against drugs and alcohol but we all bought guns from wdp the company that is getting rich selling us the rasta fade, some of us even dished out the 1400 for one, so dont play innocent and give the "oh no drugs are bad" routine.

[MadSpeed]

In my opinion, the school shouldn't be able to take action on the students for multiple reasons.
1. It's all hear say at this point. There is no physical proof.
2. It is the fault of bad supervision and the school actually can be sued for this. (Neglegence, child abuse...)
Now here are my q's
What are the ages of those who committed this "hanus crime?" (it's all BS to me) El Pirata is right, law of the land says 18, so anyone over 18 shouldn't have a problem. Also I don't believe smoking herb is illegal either. Cops cant arrest you if you say "I just smoked an ounce," they can search you, but if you dont have any drug paraphernalia on you, they can't do a thing. Also even if you have a pipe, bong, bubbler or anything else, if it doesn't have any reson or look as if it has been used... they have no reason to take it.
Thank god for California State University of Marijuana & Beer, I learned more about drugs and alcohol laws here then any other subject. Thanks mom and dad :wink:


But wait, is this the whole story?

[El Pirata]

Believe me, 6 year living down there drugs are definately illegal. It's not a crime that's enforced too much such as the legal drinking age but it is a law nonetheless.

[sharps990]

so my mom went to a meating last night where a 100 by 40 ft room was standing room only, everybody was standing. the meating started at 7:30 and went to midnight. it had parents jumping up and down screaming that the school had no permision to obtain a written confession from the students. and thats what it did, it walked them into a room and said 'we know what you did but, if you are honest with what you write to us then its very likely that the conciquences will change for you.' they all told the truth and where all expled for it. today is the day that the other 15 kids that where on the trip and did somthing like just drink and not smoke or sneak out after bed check find out their punishment. so today is going to be a heavy day as well.

my mom was talking about how likely that the school will get sued by the partents of the expled for obtaining a signed confession without permision.

after my mom got home (kids wernt alowed at the meating) she said if you ever do anything where they ask to sit you down and write out a confession 1. say you are not talking till you call your parents 2.call your parents 3. explane what has happened to the fullest truth, dont skimp on this. 4. ask your parents to come to school with your layer. 5. dont say a word or write a word till they get there. 5. encourage the other kids that this is happening to to do the same.

sharps

[Kdog-13]

1. Admit nothing.
2. Deny Everything.
3. Make counter accusations!

But seriously how come in this country nobody wants to take responsibility for their mistakes. My son got caught so I am going to sue, wah wah wah. Lady your son was stupid enough to run his mouth and stupid enough to get caught. Teach your son a lesson by letting him deal with it. The jails are filled with kids who had parent's that made them feel it was everyone else's fault, until something really serious happended.

Just last weekend in San Diego 2 15 year old girls slipped away in their parents cars at 2:30 AM and went for a ride. Doing 60 on a rain slick road the one car slid off the road and the 15 year old, who was so clever to sneak out, wasn't wearing a seat belt. She was killed and her friend watched it happen. That is a lesson that she can never learn from. Kids will screw up but the ones who grow up deal with the screw ups without mommies lawyer sitting next to them.

[matthepepe]

K-dog you make a good point about teh sue first ask questions later theory, but on the other hand in this case i think the first question that should be asked is where was the adult supervision, if this was a school sanctioned trip, it should have been treated as one.

Kids are always going to cause trouble, thats what they do... but to take away their education doesnt seem like the right punishment. Hell making them go to school should be punishment in itself.

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[Kdog-13]

Look at my member number: I have been here since the first member list. :)

Just because they are not in this school doesn't mean they don't get an education just not there. They made choices that ended that right.

I agree about the supervision for sure. But in reality you could not expect the school to maintain constant face to face supervision... there must be some trust which these students broke. I know when some schools send kids to europe for trips they tell parents "Your kids may be able to drink alcohol in restraunts and other places and the kids will have free time so only send a student you feel is responsible....." That way it is clear to the parent that the kid will not be under constant surveilance but there will be an adult to contact. I would like to know what parents were told about the trip and what the parents thought of their kids smoking the herb? Remember that psa "I learned from watching you okay!" The real issue is why are the administrators going after the kids? Pressure to look like they are hard nosed. Are drugs a problem for this school so they must be extra clear in their dealings with these issuses.

Another question: Could the school sue the kid's parents for endangering other students on the trip if they broke the rules ie... you are all the be in your rooms and lights out at 11:00 PM then after tbed check 6 kids climb out the window and find a nice alley to smoke a j. Then they get into an altercation and the next day mr. Costa rican drug dealer beats up some innocent kids from the group. far Fetched sure but can you see the implications for the group by this student breaking the rules.

Sac up and pay the price.

Something about this story seems like a rich school with rich kids?

[sharps990]

Something about this story seems like a rich school with rich kids?

yes...very, but also very very liberal at the same time

people are saying that they have been made into myrters since the school has not asserted its power as a institution in a long time, over 10 years since the last expulsion. the school has had the head of school and the head of the upper school changed in the last 6 years and the worst punishment that they have handed out that i have heard of is a suspension for a week.

its really sad that the school has to do things like this to assert its power

sharps

[Kdog-13]

its really sad that the school has to do things like this to assert its power


Possibly the school has not been able to assert its "power" because of the threat of lawsuits. That is what happens when administrators have to look over their shoulders to not offend anyone when they dispence a punishment. How many thugs site next to great students because nobody wants to hurt the rights of the thug. What about the rights of the student there to learn and prepare for life?

[DarkRipper]

It's all hearsay, even with signed "confessions". Shades of North Korea... did they have cattle prods with them in case the students refused to sign?

Sounds like the CHAPERONES should be the ones taking the heat round, not the kids.

My magic crystal ball tells me... lawsuits will come... and soon,

[El Pirata]

Good point, my magic crystal ball says the Admins of the school who made the students write statements will be grabbing their ankles on the carpet.

[matthepepe]

my magic crystal ball says i was good at not getting caught and never had to worry about a situation like that.

[ITO]

Just my point of view…

When you are in school this kind of stuff means something, but when you get older and have kids, this kind of stuff does not mean the same things.

The older you get the less “teenagers rights” mean and probably for good reason. Quite honestly if my folks had bought my “teenagers rights” arguments when I was a kid, I would probably either be in jail or worse… and yeah at 35 I am literally still paying for one of the few times I completely disobeyed them and acted like an adult.

Look these kids got off so easy, if it had been a real judge they “confessed” to, they would be in jail. In case you have not noticed, there is this whole Politically Correct war on drugs thing going on, and yeah the lawyers may still get involved.

So just as some free advice you can take or leave, but it’s very sincere. Try looking at this situation as a learning experience.

1) What you have learned here is that we live in a litigious society where people make decisions bases on minimizing their legal liability and less on doing what is fair. This does not get any better when you get older and sometimes the only people you can trust are your family. These kids would have been better off confessing their behavior to their parents than the school.

2) It’s a lot harder to get in trouble if you keep your mouth shut, than if you open it. Look let’s quit talking about what is fair here for a second, these dumb-asses did something they knew they should not do then they bragged about it. They got nobody to blame but themselves, and they need to cowboy up for being so stupid. Sorry but the biggest crime here is stupidity, and they own that mistake, and they deserve what they are getting if for no other reason than not keeping their fat mouths shut.

3) Once again…keep your mouth shut. So when their own bragging started catching up to them they still could not keep their damn mouths shut, and told all to school officials. Believe me the school officials that got these kids to talk have no respect for them telling the truth, ratting their friends out, or for being so stupid. They probably sat there trying not to bust out laughing at these kids for being so dumb.

“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.”

4) If you are under age, and get in trouble and are confronted by anyone in authority, you should always always always talk to your parents first. As a parent I can promises you that no matter what, the only people in the world that will always have your best interest at heart are your parents, and in a post 911 world were juvenile stupidity can be misconstrued as terrorism you really need to confide in your parents first.

What did these kids think, that there parents were not going to find out? They always find out, but at least if they had found out first they could have counseled their kids on what not to say to the school, and been involved in dealing with the school and even negotiating the punishment.

So buck up, learn the lesson here and welcome to the Litigious Society we call America.

[dark2k2LCD]

When I took a school field trip a few years ago a couple kids got suspended when they were caught smoking cigarettes. It wasn't school property. It's not illegal to smoke a cigarette. They even might have been 18, I don't know. Anyway, the permission slip said all school rules regarding conduct and behavior will apply and be enforced.

The point is, there was a situation where the school looked bad, and thus they took action that wasn't to be taken lightly. When you're attending a school function, the school becomes your legal guardians, and is responsible for you. If the kids at your school got away with it, there would be outraged parents threatening to sue because their baby was endangered by drugs and alcohol and the school neglected to watch the kids. They took the safe side and said, "You had drugs on a school trip, it's like having drugs in school"

I don't know about your school, but when I went to high school, if you engaged in an illegal act, you could be suspended, expelled or otherwise punished for it even if it had nothing to do with the school. If you do it on a school trip, forget it. What if instead the school found out that they robbed a store? They still shouldn't take action? An illegal act was committed under school supervision; the school has every right to take the appropriate action to match the crime.

When I was 16 I knew how to spell "chaperones"

[Won Hunglo]

so my mom went to a meating last night where a 100 by 40 ft room was standing room only, everybody was standing. the meating started at 7:30 and went to midnight. it had parents jumping up and down screaming that the school had no permision to obtain a written confession from the students. and thats what it did, it walked them into a room and said 'we know what you did but, if you are honest with what you write to us then its very likely that the conciquences will change for you.' they all told the truth and where all expled for it. today is the day that the other 15 kids that where on the trip and did somthing like just drink and not smoke or sneak out after bed check find out their punishment. so today is going to be a heavy day as well.

my mom was talking about how likely that the school will get sued by the partents of the expled for obtaining a signed confession without permision.

after my mom got home (kids wernt alowed at the meating) she said if you ever do anything where they ask to sit you down and write out a confession 1. say you are not talking till you call your parents 2.call your parents 3. explane what has happened to the fullest truth, dont skimp on this. 4. ask your parents to come to school with your layer. 5. dont say a word or write a word till they get there. 5. encourage the other kids that this is happening to to do the same.

sharps

After reading your post I think you should sue your English & Spelling teacher. You will make a fortune in court from the evidence I have seen in just this post.

[no3ffect]

I believe these kids deserve to be punished for what they did, but i think there needs to be some sort of investigation about the chaperons and why these sort of activities were allowed to occur at a school sanctioned event. While you cannot deny it wasnt the students faults there are other things that need to be explained. The chaperons were paid to do there job and for some reason they were unable to carry out their duties. Im not saying dont punish the kids by all means punish them im just saying there is punishment due in other places too.

[sharps990]

actually the chaperones (sorry but chaperones dosnt sound like it starts with a 'ch' and i spell phonetically(sp) so i apoligize for the horid spelling) were not payed to go on the trip, exept for normal pay, they got a discount on the aprox. 3K it cost to go on the trip with the school.

i have now heard that 4 of the 6 kids that where expeled are now sueing the school. tho only 5 of them where dismised for doing pot, the other was on acidemic probation and drank.


After reading your post I think you should sue your English & Spelling teacher. You will make a fortune in court from the evidence I have seen in just this post.

i apologize again, i have never, and most probably will never, be able to spell. and when i do try i spell phonetically (sounding it out) and sometimes i dont even try on here because i thought everybody was cool with how i spelled, guess i was wrong and i will try harder

sharps

[El Pirata]

my magic crystal ball says i was good at not getting caught and never had to worry about a situation like that.Matt that only works if you are alone. I always picked the "wrong" people to be friends with. Hell by the time the smoke cleared I'd be convicted of doing Hoffa.

[El Pirata]

i apologize again, i have never, and most probably will never, be able to spell. and when i do try i spell phonetically (sounding it out) and sometimes i dont even try on here because i thought everybody was cool with how i spelled, guess i was wrong and i will try harder

sharpsDude, take your pill, it's cool Ingles is one of the hardest languages to learn. There is no specific rule for how something sounds and how it is speeled. In addition to English, I speak fluent Spanish, and I dabble in Portugese, and Japanese. Of all those languages Japanese is the hardest just because you have to learn 3 different alphabets in addition to the language itself. All 3 of those languages do share one thing that English will never share, there are certain rules as to how words are pronounced each and every time and speeled the same. If I was not native to an English speaking country I would rather shoot myself than learn English.

[Won Hunglo]

i apologize again, i have never, and most probably will never, be able to spell. and when i do try i spell phonetically (sounding it out) and sometimes i dont even try on here because i thought everybody was cool with how i spelled, guess i was wrong and i will try harder

Apologize? Geez... No need. I am just giving you a little ribbing on your creative use of the English language. I was just lucky I had a gooder English teacher that learned me better.

[irchrisr]

same thing happend to me but i denied it all

[Paintballjc]

same thing happend to me but i denied it all
Yes, youre a smart dumb kid....

[irchrisr]

Yes, youre a smart dumb kid....
lol verey smart it got ruff but i made it through