my take on the evolve 2 kit

[KEN CRANE]

ok lets start by saying i had almost given up on doing evolve kits due to what i percieved as being forgotten. after talking to gordon at length a couple of weeks ago, our relationship has been rekindled. we spoke about support and production and the facts on logistics and such. well low an behold i did an install for a youg man from florida and man did that gun sing when i was done. the v2 kit went smothly and the warnings were clearly understood.i installed the kit and lpr adjuster side adjuster as well. the new parts were very well made and instructions were clear.
i give this a 9 on a scale of 1-10 10s a tough one.i fully believe this will be a upgrade worth getting. btw we will have kits available to sell as well as to install soon so keep an eye out on this.

[psychoballer07]

any idea on when the IR3/LCD kits will be available?

[no3ffect]

About how much is it gonna cost to have the kit installed?

[Method Acting]

its always good to hear it from you ken

[three fut nuthin]

thanks Ken, i was waiting another MT's imput besides Russ (not saying any thing bad about you Russ, jsut wanted two or three veiws)

[DrKillgore]

Ken, have you tried the old version with the new cup seal? How does that compair?

[KEN CRANE]

Ken, have you tried the old version with the new cup seal? How does that compair?

the new cup seal is very close to the stock material and look of the stock valve seat and it worked real well.

[cyrakx]

i have the e2 kit and installed it myself, i have had not problems with it so far, if you follow the directions that they give you, you shouldnt have any problems with the evolve kit,

[Clowndog]

I got my Evolve w/ Adjust and put it in myself one month ago. Ive played ALOT with it and it has settled down very nicely. Easy to put in and runs awesome.

[P8ntSlinger44]

So the LPR isnt causing shootdown anymore? Seams to me that they should give everyone who bought the c***** lpr adjusters the new verion for free...like me. That older version lpr adjust is for §§§§.

[El Pirata]

If memory serves the LPR cap is the same on both versions. Why should they give you something free if it's not broken? It seems to me that they have been more than willing to fix the problem with the cupseal. It seems there are fewer and fewer people complaining about FSDO so it looks like their fix of the cup seal might have been to blame or partly to blame. If I had to guess I might think someone was mad because they made an upgraded version than theirs and they wanted a free lunch. Just my $0.02.

[stixy]

El Pirata, Wasn't it you or trigganometry who stated that if you drill out the LPR cone it increased air flow and helped with FSDO? Just asking because when I received my kit (V1.5 dust red) it came with a drilled out LPR cone.

[Trigga Nometry]

El Pirata, Wasn't it you or trigganometry who stated that if you drill out the LPR cone it increased air flow and helped with FSDO? Just asking because when I received my kit (V1.5 dust red) it came with a drilled out LPR cone.Yup, that was me. Looks like they took my idea and incorporated it into the new design for the LPR Cap. But that is the only thing they changed in the LPR portion of the kit.

[P8ntSlinger44]

Not FSDO, hardcore drop off at high rates of fire and inconsistant velocity. It impeded the flow of the marker. The lpr cap is P.O.S, as far as Im concerned it is a paper weight

[martinevolve]

Thanks Trigga nometry that was a good idea,we have also shortened the stem by 2mm in length.

Thanks martin

[Big_Papi]

Has any one been able to fix the FSDO problem? I have the upgraded stuff but everytime I use the adj LPR cap I get crazy FSDO. I decided to just set the internal LPR to 50psi and use the adj cap with no internals. I still get FSDO but not nearly as bad. When I upped my dwell to 9 (Fly) it is bearable. I would like to be able to use my adj LPR the way it is meant to be used, any suggestions. And yes I have the new LPR cone with the hole drilled through it and I have been setting my internal LPR to 100 when using the adj LPR cap. Thanks.

Dre

[three fut nuthin]

dont adjust it throuhg the cap, use the shims on the inside like normal is what im hearin to do.

[bruceuk]

We are using 7 x o5 speeds with the new V2 Newton kits, i have seen 2 which suffered from FSDO, we solved this by replacing the cone and the spring in the LPR and greasing up the evolve parts.

We have also seen drop off at rates of fire, but this has been solved by increasing the pressure in the lpr (guns running between 35 and 50psi on the evolve guage) and increasing the dwell by one.

it appears each marker is unique, and you have to set it up in a standard way then adjust each component to suit your marker, (bit like fine tuning a high end sports car).

I will be at all the PA events in the Uk and some of the MM so if any body would like me to take a look at there markers, come and find me out and ill see what i can do.

Im still not convinced about the rechage rate of the 05 Vert reg, would be intrested to hear from anybody who is using anything different.

cheers

bruce

[crackerjack]

I fixed my FSDO by turning up my LPR until it stopped droping off at high rates of fire.
Now my LPR is at 60 psi on the evolve gauge.

[pimpinsaylor]

they sound sweet. since my force fly has the force valve if i get one will it really change anything?

[DrKillgore]

ken, did you adjust velocity through the vol. with inline at 300? or did you play with the pressures?

[Chris777]

Has any one been able to fix the FSDO problem? I have the upgraded stuff but everytime I use the adj LPR cap I get crazy FSDO. I decided to just set the internal LPR to 50psi and use the adj cap with no internals. I still get FSDO but not nearly as bad. When I upped my dwell to 9 (Fly) it is bearable. I would like to be able to use my adj LPR the way it is meant to be used, any suggestions. And yes I have the new LPR cone with the hole drilled through it and I have been setting my internal LPR to 100 when using the adj LPR cap. Thanks.

Dre
Talking to Martin today about this issue and he had some interesting points. He had the problem with Maddogs marker and Martin got him to bring it in. After tinckering with the marker he found that the problem in this case was that the ram was worn out.

He couldnt get the marker to work at any less than 75psi but after they fitted a new ram it dropped to 25psi.

Food for thought

[logo]

about how many cycles did he have on his gun( how worn down was the ram)

[Team Venom]

Still interested in a installed total price.

[kevc2181]

How much would it cost if I have the kit. Just for the install?

[FrontManDan]

Since the evlove kit forum was opened, there has been problem after problem. On the evolve website it says with the evlove kit you can get the bolt to bounce off paint rather than chopping it, surely having to raise the LPR back up a bit will lead to chopping again.

Id be seriously pissed if i bought that kit

[vpraidersfan1]

How much would it cost if I have the kit. Just for the install?
same question here... :notsure:




~Vince~

[Team Venom]

Still should bounce with higher LPR. Less mass moving.

[martinevolve]

Up the lpr with shims to around 100 psi, only if you are fitting the evolve lpr kit. Then you reduce the pressure to around 40 psi, this varies from gun to gun depending how old your'e ram is. If you have to run 60 or above you may need to replace the ram. Remember a worn out ram will cause drop off when rapid firing.

[SiNaR]

I've just installed my V2 to my Speed 05. Everything works perfectly, but i have one conclusion.. This stuff needs lots of lubricating, tons of grease. If it's not lubricated enough, it's leaking. Mostly from LPR cap. Maybe orings are to small...

[KEN CRANE]

ok let me first say gordon and the guys at evolve have provided us with a number of off the shelf evolve ver. 2 kits to retest. i will state that the testing i have done has been very positive. the new cup seal assembly is srong and firm. it looks as if it is a long term product. i have shot 10's of thousands of shots with no flaws. i will as now recomend this version 2 kit to anyone.we will be selling the kit for 140.00 usd and a 40.00 install and set up fee. please feel free to contact us about this upgrade via email us at ken@performanceangel.com. one other note, please dismiss the other people on other fourms criticizing this product as it deserves better than this. all it takes is a little know how or confidence to insatll and set up the kit properly.

[LayinRocker]

the evolve2 kit works with an 04 speed right? I just got this gun brand new a month ago and i just cant stand to leave it stock

[October Fly]

Does anyone know the cost of upgrading to version 2 if a MT does it?

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

the evolve2 kit works with an 04 speed right? I just got this gun brand new a month ago and i just cant stand to leave it stock

yes it works with the 04 speed

[hooha]

the evolve2 kit works with an 04 speed right? I just got this gun brand new a month ago and i just cant stand to leave it stock

Yes. You just have to order the version with the longer hammer. (It's shorter in the A4, Fly, and Speed 05.)

[ARC]

Dont By In To The Lies!the Kit Does Not Work.angels Sing With Out Crapy Kits,It does not do What There Makers Clame.2000 Shots! Ive Yet To See A Gun Get 2000 Shot With This Kit On A 68ci 4500psi Tank.WITH THE GUN At 290 Or 300 Fps. Why Spent The Money. Lies All Of It. ''angels Sing With Out This Kit''

[paintreliever]

you should come to oklahoma and see my angel then...
because i dont have a video camera, so its your money to drive or fly here...

[El Pirata]

Dont By In To The Lies!the Kit Does Not Work.angels Sing With Out Crapy Kits,It does not do What There Makers Clame.2000 Shots! Ive Yet To See A Gun Get 2000 Shot With This Kit On A 68ci 4500psi Tank.WITH THE GUN At 290 Or 300 Fps. Why Spent The Money. Lies All Of It. ''angels Sing With Out This Kit''Opinions are like butts, everyone has one. The kit does work if you take the time to set it up correctly. Based on your English and grammar, I would not take your opinion too seriously.

[October Fly]

I'm with El Pirata.

[KEN CRANE]

right now i am selling 5 kits a week.am i having any issues? yes with 2.i have 1 that i am working with the customer that has a 47.45 and his air usage sucks. the second one the customer cannot get the kit to work as it should and he and i are playing email and telephone tag. the biggest thing we have found is the lpr on the gun is weak on those not working correctly. on my site as well as fixmyangel.com we require a 50.00 tune up before we install the evolve kit to ensure that it works as designed.i have done 1 yesterday and 2 today with all 3 of them working flawlessly.my take on this? their isnt anything in the kit that is rocket science, screws,springs and a shaft is all that make it work with a lighter hammer.if your not happy with yours email us and we can see if we can help

[October Fly]

Thanks for trying to help Ken, but unfortunately, it does not seem like ARC is here to solve any problems.

[lefty21]

would you say you have to contantly tune it...like after each use?

from what I understand, theres no gaurantee that it'll work (the way it should) after an mt has set it up and shipped it out.

sorry...i've been debating forever on whether or not to get it just wanna make sure it'll be worth it for me.

oh...Ken, is it 140 plus 50 for the tune up? Does that include installation and do I purchase it with u guys?

sorry for hittin u w/so many???????

[Clowndog]

Honestly,, the set is not that hard to set up, I have only experienced problems when I first installed it, small leaking,, MINUTE adjustments are all that is needed. But I definately do not tinker with it much. In fact all my friends complain that I never seem to "fix" my stuff,, that is, they say I get to play more than they do! ;) The Evolve is "cool" and it works for me.

[lefty21]

Honestly,, the set is not that hard to set up, I have only experienced problems when I first installed it, small leaking,, MINUTE adjustments are all that is needed. But I definately do not tinker with it much. In fact all my friends complain that I never seem to "fix" my stuff,, that is, they say I get to play more than they do! ;) The Evolve is "cool" and it works for me.

Thanks....do you know if it's 140 plus 50 for the tune up and installation. And do I purchase it with the mts or seperate.

I plan on doin it w/performance angel, since ken has outwardly suggested it.

[Angel4boy]

if i get the lite kit will i be able to slap it in along with the new hammer and go over the chrony wit my reg tool or is there something im missing ???

[Trigga Nometry]

if i get the lite kit will i be able to slap it in along with the new hammer and go over the chrony wit my reg tool or is there something im missing ???It will help if you can tell what pressure your minireg is set to. You have a gauge on your Angel for that?

[Angel4boy]

what bout those extra shims ??? i read i needed more for it to work right

[Trigga Nometry]

You will not need extra shims for the Evolve Lite because it is only the Evolve valve and not the Evolve LPR Cap. Only the Evolve LPR Cap needs shims.

[Angel4boy]

ok so if i install the Newton Lite Kit with Cap and Hammer and i turn the cp on my gun to off..i can go from there just lookin at the chrony?? sry i just like straight forward answers..

[gc82000]

Does Russ on Hawaii have any? I am really thinking about getting my A4 flied and was thinking about juist doing this while it is there?

[Chris777]

Dont By In To The Lies!the Kit Does Not Work.angels Sing With Out Crapy Kits,It does not do What There Makers Clame.2000 Shots! Ive Yet To See A Gun Get 2000 Shot With This Kit On A 68ci 4500psi Tank.WITH THE GUN At 290 Or 300 Fps. Why Spent The Money. Lies All Of It. ''angels Sing With Out This Kit''

And as a post script - if it doesnt work send it back. We gaurantee EVERTHING. THATS our marketing angle, not hyperbaly.

Cheers

[ARC]

Chris 777 And as a post script - if it doesnt work send it back. We gaurantee EVERTHING. THATS our marketing angle, not hyperbaly.

You almost kepted sales up with that one. Your opinon means nothing because you are a sales man. My theroy is people are so imbarassed about buying into this thing, that thay are willing to live with it because the hammer does reduces a Little bit of the kick but really that's it. I got 1468 shot off a 68'4500 cold fill. lpr 40, dwell 9, reg 200 ,velocity 285-290. I gained almost nothing, totally not worth it. Not even close to 2000 shots. The angel gets 1250 to 1300 out of the box. I don't no about you but I can't live with a lie or a bad product. The angel is a great gun don't make something like the evolve kit that gives people problems..................On another note WDP's first angels had an adjustable lpr. they stopped doing that because the first time a person had a problem they jerk on there lpr. And the solenoid would go out. They went to the shims system so people would have to think before they start adjusting things. Once you start giving people a way to adjust things. the gun suddenly becomes more of a hassle than most people want to deal with. more maintenance's tuning and more problem's for an upgrade that does not make that much for a difference in performance. " I hope I can get my point across through all my spelling and grammar mistakes."

[Luzrd]

ARC, while we appreciate your/everyones oppinions, i think your point would be made more legitimate by not relying so much on oppinion and libel, and using more fact.

while maybe you have had poor results with the use of this product, could it be that it was due to a manufacturing/user error? all facets of industry have a margin of error (yes it sucks when you get the product that slips past QC) and it is normal. there are some knowledgeable people here that disagree with your posts, more facts about your experience may better qualify your concerns. and talking down to people like saying ..."Your opinon means nothing because you are a sales man"... will get you responses like "go back to PrepuBeNation.com"

did you contact them to try and remedy the situation? did you try to return the product?

while we all agree with your obvious respect for WDP, and ANGELs i feel that conducting your criticism in a more productive manor will get you more positive attention.

"Once you start giving people a way to adjust things. the gun suddenly becomes more of a hassle than most people want to deal with."... i personally like more tuning options. yes ANGELs are notorious for being practically maintenance free, however there are some people who wouldnt mind if there is a little maintenance involved (is there? i really dont know yet) if they can get the advertised results.

i dont pretend to be familiar with this or any evolve product except for by reputation. im posting here because im researching this kit and may buy one. im not intentionally defending or attacking anyone

[ARC]

the Kit reduces kick due to a smaller hammer, the lower LPR pressure and adjustable spring tension. But you have no significant boost in efficiency, anywhere close to 2000 shots. Angels by design, it is impossible to eliminate all the kick. You still need a significant amount of air pressure to drive the ball 290fps. Air still shoots up from the valve causing the gun to rise. In order to gain efficiency you can lower your fps and sacrifice range, get a bolt that increases fps so you can turn down your grip reg to use less air pressure, fit your paint to barrel and run the risk of braking a ball due to stress you will put on the ball when it travels through the barrel. You can improve the consistency of the grip reg ,lpr and air system. But see it doesn’t even stop there because the paintball needs to become more consistent. If you use a halo and buy lowering the lpr to much you could run the risk of hanging up the bolt because the ram won’t have enough air pressure to cycle due to the stress the halo will put on it while feeding balls. This will result in massive drop off, and bolt sticking problems.

All I'm saying is with my experience with this kit and my angel markers is that yes it does reduce kick however it has no noticable significant boost in efficency that this advertised. not worth the 150 dollars i spent for the kit, it creates more problems that it worth. I would just leave the angel alone it is already the best marker out there. And if you make a product advertise the facts! "2000 rounds on a 68/45" it does not do... Sorry, for the hassle ... good luck ... people don't throw away your angels!

[gc82000]

I still want one though :doc:

[Elren]

All I'm saying is with my experience with this kit and my angel markers is that yes it does reduce kick however it has no noticable significant boost in efficency that this advertised. not worth the 150 dollars i spent for the kit, it creates more problems that it worth. I would just leave the angel alone it is already the best marker out there. And if you make a product advertise the facts! "2000 rounds on a 68/45" it does not do... Sorry, for the hassle ... good luck ... people don't throw away your angels!

If you've had so many problems with your kit I'll be happy to buy it from you. So I can judge if this is a good kit.

[rizbel]

I've finally completed my Evolve Newton Kit install. Thanks to this forum's experts for sharing their knowledge and experience. My current settings are:
Output from tank ----------- 400 psi
Mini Reg set to ------------- 300 psi
LPR cap (Evolve) adjusted to ~ 50 psi
Volumizer cap (Evolve)------ ?
Dwell ---------------------- 9ms (3 leds)
TR ------------------------ 2
Hopper --Empire Reloader--- 4
Software Version ----------- 2

Any recommendations?

[Symantix]

i noticed one person on here had a evolve kit moded to work on his G7...any news on that front? I know the g7 is relatively new.

[LayinRocker]

Yeah Trigga Nometry modded an Evolve kit onto his G7. I dont know if he has posted anything about it yet.
From what i understand and have read about the G7, i thought that it would really serve no real purpose. I read that the G7 already had components in it that pretty much do the same thing as the Evolve kits as far as efficiency. And that the Evolve kit on a G7 would not give any extra efficiency/performance.

Please correct me if i am wrong on this.

[Trigga Nometry]

Well the G7 does rock right out of the box. There is no question about that but just about everyone states that the Evolve Kit is pretty much built into the G7. Really? Besides the lighter hammer in the G7 what else has changed? WDP opened up all the air passages for a higher flow throughout the G7 but the Evolve Kit did not add more flow. It used a slightly lighter spring that kind of let the Evolve Valve stem "float" in the exhaust part of the Angel (due to where the spring is placed and the overall design of the stem).

Basically the Evolve Kit let's you (1) run at a operating pressure of about 300psi (what they suggest), (2) run a pretty low LPR and dwell time because the hammer is light and the valve easy to open. And lastly, (3) allows you to adjust the blowback air to help increase efficiency. In theory, the Evolve kit resulted in less "kick" and help the Angel become more efficient.

And that is just the Evolve Newton Valve. The Evolve LPR Cap allows you to adjust the LPR pressure externally, which is useful if you like to tinker with LPR pressures.

The G7 allows all of this except for the ability to adjust the valve's spring tension, other than screwing in the exhaust end cap to different degrees. I kind of this ability and adopted this into my particular G7.

Does it make a difference on the G7? I don't know I have yet to fully test it. I am still recovering from laser eye surgery. But it does allow the G7 to work just fine and I can run at the stock spring tension with my modified Evolve Kit. I can also drastically change the blowback and velocity simply by changing then spring tension just like you can with the Evolve Kit on any older Angel. I like that but that is just my preference. I like to tinker.

But back to the Evolve Newton Kit on you Speed 05 and older Angels, if you can get it installed properly get it you will not be disappointed!

[Trigga Nometry]

I've finally completed my Evolve Newton Kit install. Thanks to this forum's experts for sharing their knowledge and experience. My current settings are:
Output from tank ----------- 400 psi
Mini Reg set to ------------- 300 psi
LPR cap (Evolve) adjusted to ~ 50 psi
Volumizer cap (Evolve)------ ?
Dwell ---------------------- 9ms (3 leds)
TR ------------------------ 2
Hopper --Empire Reloader--- 4
Software Version ----------- 2

Any recommendations?Awesome! Have you fully tried it all out at high rates of fire and all that? What differences have you noticed from the stock Speed 05 now that you have the Evolve Kit installed?

[Symantix]

this is probably getting really off track, but what is the lpr at stock on the G7? I have read an article somewhere that if some "shims" are taken out of either the mini reg or galleries, or something that the gun can run off of 30 psi.

anyhow...jsut asking

[LayinRocker]

Thanks Trigga for the info on what the Evolve does for the G7. I was curious as to if it would really do anything for the performance, or if it would just completely defeat the purpose of putting it on there.
I am tempted to hear what you have to say about it once you get the chance to fully put it through the paces and see how it performs.

BTW, How did the Evolve Reg you got to test work out? (yes i know a bit off track)

[rizbel]

I've been having velocity inconsistencies lately and don't know what is causing it. So, I took my Newton kit off and replaced the original lpr setup to 65 psi by removing shims, and installed new Cobra valve. Evolve delrin hammer stays with the rebuildable ram. I'm still experimenting with various dwell/lpr/input psi combination to get less fps spikes.

[Trigga Nometry]

I've been having velocity inconsistencies lately and don't know what is causing it. So, I took my Newton kit off and replaced the original lpr setup to 65 psi by removing shims, and installed new Cobra valve. Evolve delrin hammer stays with the rebuildable ram. I'm still experimenting with various dwell/lpr/input psi combination to get less fps spikes.Just wondering - if your 05 broken in? About how many shots through it so far?

[rizbel]

Just wondering - if your 05 broken in? About how many shots through it so far?
Hi Trig, my fellow A5OG alumnus,
The 05 speed saw at least 6-8 cases already. I'm going to the field this weekend and just don't want anything interrupting my game. I'm still going to re-install my Newton kit once I have the time. I kinda miss my Milsim A5 so I'm using it for 2-3 games tomorrow. Do you still have yours?

[wdp-fly]

i hope everything goes fine with the reinstall. i've beenactually following this post for a little bit to see if you've had any improvement yet :P