Possible Solution For Reloader B's

[chirogator]

I bought a reloader b, and sure enough I was chopping pretty badly. HOWEVER... I think I may have come up with a great solution.

1. Grease the hell out of the black drive belt with angel grease
2. Stretch the drive belt without breaking it
3. Sand down the top front edge of the bolt (I'm using a cobra v2) with a dremmel.

The problem is not how fast, but how much pressure the loader is exerting on the ball stack. By lubing and stretching the belt, it can actually slide on the internal gears thus reducing the forward pressure on the ball stack.

In the event that there is too much pressure, thus causing the 2nd ball to peak into the breech, the shaved down edge of the bolt actually passed by (perhaps pushes up) the 2nd ball, thus sliding under, not into the ball to reduce chops.

I tryed this process this weekend, shot 3/4 of a case with 0, nada, zip, nil breaks using x-ball gold which is noted to be a "smaller" painball. The gun was notably faster than with the egg.

Try this at your own risk, but it worked for me!

[Snowfire]

Cool. So Im guessing the solves the "too much torque/power" problem, not the roll back one, right?

[chirogator]

Correct, the rollback is all about the ram adjustment, this is different.

[PBsmurf]

What id it slides to much on the gears?

[Sparco]

The o-ring on the gears is essentially what spins the gears to rotate the drive cone. By greasing this the idea is that the o-ring will slip on the gears if the stack is over-torqued, thus preventing double feeding or that 2nd ball from peeking into the breech.

A few things I found that I thought I'd share after a 3-month trial/testing period on these two loaders.

I took 5 cases of paint, bought at different times.

Case #1: ZAP Spank
Case #2: ZAP Primer
Case #3: ZAP Chronic 420
Case #4: Draxxus Blaze
Case #5: Draxxus White Box

I had two loaders, one was a Halo B with V.35 board set on Speed setting 5. The other was a Reloader B with 6-pack power supply on speed setting 3. In terms of which loader fed faster, both were powered by 6, Energizer E2 batteries. Both sets of batteries were right out of the packaging. I felt that the ROF (rate of feed) was near identical.

Each loader got 1,000rds from each case. To be fair, I'd actually take "approximately" 250rds out of each 500rd bag and loader up each hopper. This ensured that the paint (be it good or bad) had a chance to run through each loader.

After 10,000 rounds fired:

Reloader B fed marker - 19 breaks due to ball stack pressure
Halo B fed marker - 7 breaks due to ball stack pressure

I measured these statistics by removing the bolt after a broken ball and found paint residue on the top of the bolt face, breech and lower part of the feedneck only.

Total breaks due to potential force feeding (not just ball stack): 40 <approximated

In my brief study, I've determined that the Reloader B may sometimes continue to spin and torque the ball stack even after the marker has stopped firing or the loader has filled the raceway. This could be due to false signals, whereas the Halo B had a more 'true' signal due to the IR eyes. While I would not shy anyone away from a Reloader B, as they're great loaders and I enjoy mine. I will say that in my experience and under an actual 'test' atmosphere, the Halo B performed much better.

[GusTopher]

Sparco, I believe this to be because the Reloader B spins with every shot... thus keeping a VERY constant pressure on the stack. The halo doesn't do this with as much regularity. It spins often, but not quite all the time like the reloader b does... at least this makes sense in my illogical brain. Thoughts? :puzzled:

[Sparco]

Gustopher, I understand the Reloader B to operate as you describe it as well. You figure the Halo B will only spin when the eyes do not detect a ball. Plus (at least with my Angry board) it seems like the loader "bursts" rather than spins at a high RPM.

The Reloader B on the other hand will spin whenever a sound or pulse is detected. I was playing indoors once and was doubled up in a stand-up with a teammate. The noise from his marker actually trigger my loader and I could hear the drive cone trying to spin when I wasn't even shooting. While this in theory could make the loader feed faster, I question the reliability of the loader for this reason.

[GusTopher]

You nailed my point exactly... this could be the very reason people have reported more problems with it than the Halo... under some cases it is a blessing (like with my Viking - it LOVED the reloader B), just so happens that for my Angel (and apparently a few others), it is a curse.

[Snowfire]

Wait, why loader setting 3? Just try it on 1 or 2. I tried 1 and it was fine and shot over 20 bps. I wouldnt want to shoot faster than that, I mean I would run out of paint and money. Plus its not like anyone is gonna run through that. I mean I was thinking even THAT was too fast and i wanted to stay with an Egg, that is until the egg falls appart.

[shaq787]

i was told not to greace the belt on the halo/empire because it could cause the motor to overwork and burn out. correct me if im wrong.

[damski90]

i use a reloader B on setting 2 and the speed on fast force fed type, ive had 0 problems

[shaq787]

well you are very lucky. i switched to an egg with a Z bord. paint is also a big factor in chopping isuses.

[Snowfire]

I think shaq just solved the problem. Im lucky, most arent. I like the G7 intellifeed idea though.

[dusted]

i have used multiple reloader b's with numerous markers with absolutley no problems at all. i have a couple of quick questions,1- are you using the 6 pack battery or the 4 pack. 2-how often are you replacing the batteries themselves ?

1- i use the 4 pack. 2- i replace my batteries about every 4-5 days played, basically between 10-15 cases.

again this is my experience and it has not failed me yet and i will continue to follow these guidelines, i hope things work out for all of you fellow aog'rs in the future.

[GusTopher]

I have used my reloader b with 3 other guns I have owned with 0 problems, but as soon as I put it on the 05 speed... paint salad. I have tried both battery packs, all speeds, nothing works on the speed with this loader for ME. I switch hoppers to the egg and the problems go away...... :beer: I still have the reloader b and I am going to order a jam bolt, since I am %100 positive at this point it is rollback causing my problem.

[Talfuchre]

Gus -

This is exactly my feelings - here is why - The 5peed has a rollback issue - this is complicated through powerfed hoppers. The Halo and Reloader tend to complicate the problem present in the 5peed.

This problem was addressed through the G7 with its bolt/ram being moved forward a few MM's when the breech is locked.

It is attempting to handle this roll back issue.

But Us with 5peed are kinda screwed.

TF

[chirogator]

Just to let you all know, since I made my slight modifications to the bolt, Ram, and loader... I have chopped ZERO balls, with one barrel break out of 3 cases of paint. We are talking super fast ropes of paint with no break!

To me, it is now as reliable as my Egg-Z. Unfortunately the reloader B holds about 40 rounds less per fill.

Good Luck! :boobies:

[Horarik]

do you have a picture of your sanded down bolt??

[KEN CRANE]

before you go thru all of this, slow your hopper speed down on the board to fast. it will shoot just as quick and you might have suprising results.

[El Pirata]

I'd agree with Ken. I even go one step further and drop it down to 2 led's for my hopper.

[Horarik]

I just wanted to see what it looked like, i love my speed. The gun rips as fast as i can pull the trigger and has never giving me any problems. Halo w/v-board at setting 6 and angel at hopper setting 4. (knock on wood)

[bigfootczyn]

try using halo b with a victory board. i heard that since the reloader is sound activated it doent work very well