Delrin Hammer = 50psi lpr

[snoop]

Hey guys.. i got my evolve kit recently, but i lost one of the springs in the volumizer, and had some trouble with the lpr cap ( evolve is thankfully replacing :bouncer: :cheers: ) so basicly the only part i can use of this kit is the delrin hammer... and i can effectively run my speed at 50psi. So i dont know if WDP wants to come out with a delrin hammer for their new guns beucause it might break a lot, but that can help a lot because it wont break the paint

[GusTopher]

I wish evolve would just sell the hammer seperately... of course, that would probably kill a lot of their sales on the kits... most people would probably just pick up the hammer!

[Sparco]

You don't need a delrin hammer to run your '05 Speed at 50psi. Heck I've run Flys and '05 Speeds at 40psi with no internal modifications.

The new G7 ram/hammer is crazy light. Honestly, in holding the new G7 hammer/ram side-by-side with a Fly hammer... the G7 combo felt lighter! There's nothing to the new components.

[El Pirata]

I will talk to Dezign this weekend about seeing if he can, well I know he can, start making delrin hammers for Speeds and Angels in general.

[Trigga Nometry]

Just a thought - If you guys do go with a lighter hammer, it'd be best to match it with a lighter valve spring too.

When I was messing with my Evolve kit, I took everything out except the hammer. I had problems getting the velocity up past 260fps. Of course, at the time I didn't realize that I had left the hammer in until after. I might have been able to up the velocity with the Delrin hammer but I didn't bother trying.

I am all for trying something new and innovative but in this particular case, I'd think that WDP would have gone with a Delrin hammer and would have also changed the valve spring to go along with it.

Remember that F=ma and if you decrease the mass (m) of the hammer your hammer force (F) hitting the valve will go down. You might need a lighter spring that'll take the less force to open the valve.

Again, just speculation on my part so take it for what it's worth.

[snoop]

ahh yes this is true, and what you have to do it get it a little higher, is to squeeze the stock valve spring .. making it less powerful, although this is true, you might not want to do this incase you have to put stock parts back in.. i have mine running 255+/- 4 with no modification to the spring..

ofcourse this is all sorta speculation because i dont wanan mess with something thats working... when i dont really understand the whole gun

also, u could also replace the valve, with a delrin, or part delrin valve to create less friction, and less force needed, so you could raise the velocity

[El Pirata]

Trigga, far being me one to complain but I did notice a velocity problem the lat time I tried to chrono my speed with the lpr at 40psi, the light hammer and the stock valve setup. I never once thought it might have been because the hammer was too light. The one thing I have that I thought was puzzling about that theory was the valve spring I had in my evolve was way heavier than my stock valve spring. Hmmm, I guess I need to do a little more testing.

[snoop]

i do not think that the hammer is to light, it is that the lpr is to low to push the spring, the lower in lpr, is a result from the lighter hammer...

[GusTopher]

Yup, Trigga is right... with a lighter hammer, you have to compensate with a lighter valve spring, or higher pressure.

Didn't even think about it that way until I read your post. :lightbulb

[Juggernout]

LPR @ 50psi + super light full Delrin hammer !

Because of the ******* paint we were using for our training I wasn't able to chrono right and thought that's because of the evolve Kit ! So I took it out after 1 hour at the chrono area. I left the delrin hammer inside and played some reball practice with it last weekend !

Conclusion: far less kick & constant fps !
I will give the kit another chance with better paint right after next weekend ! (big tournament so I dont wanna mess around with my gun...)

greets Phil

[Sparco]

Pirata,

I was able to get my Fly running an LPR of 40psi with a 13ms dwell and minimal problems with velocity fluctuation. Obviously you can't run the '05 Speed at 13ms so perhaps the LPR pressure won't be able to run as low.

[MorpheusX]

sparco im running my fly at 32 psi in the LPR and a dwell of 11 with no problems what so ever?

[Sparco]

sparco im running my fly at 32 psi in the LPR and a dwell of 11 with no problems what so ever?

I'm not questioning your ability to run the Fly at such a setting, I know it can be done. But this is the '05 Speed forum, so let's try to chat about the '05 Speed.

[snoop]

maybe i should try running the speed with the full delrin hammer even lower... I can't wait to get the volumiser spring back from evolve so i can push the velocity up aswell....

[Juggernout]

The prob with the delrin hammer + really low LPR is that when u break, the hammer is "too weak" to work when the bolt is full of paint --> a bolt stick happens !

[MorpheusX]

since the speed is a newer model than the fly shouldnt it be better on air and allow for even lower operation? if the gun is broken in you can run the LPR nice and low even without the derlin hammer.


either way use a delrin hammer and then just use a softer valve spring. ill be testing out this idea in my Dye Ironmen LCD as well as my Fly 4 and of course my friends 05 ill be sure ot post results.

[snoop]

Umm but wouldn't having the delrin hammer effectively act like a heavy hammer with the lower lpr?