speed 05 rumor

[DYNASTYfan012]

first off i am purchaseing an 05 and i have heard 2 bad things and i would like to know if it something thats true or something they just did.
First angel speed 05's and chopping alot!
i mean wearnt the new eye supposed to stop that?

Second i heard something about if a little bit of light gets in the board the wrong way it puts the board in safe mode and / or shuts it off.

and if there are any other things the 05 speed owners would like to inform me on that would be greatly appriciated

[Specialblend2786]

This thread deals with the whole bright light issue:
http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=38384

Depending on roll-back, sometimes it does chop. Nothing to do with the eyes, its to do with the hopper overfeeding I believe.

[scotlandspongbob]

when you get it set up it will shoot perfectly... a couple of guns have come out of the factory with their rams adjusted incorrectly which led to chopping.. but that can be fixed

[Zbollman]

anyone with teh chopping problem is usually ignorant or a idiot. more then half teh kids i have seen say it's chopping and teh bolt is a blender... i open it up and the botl is clean as a whistle, just bad match. and the otehr people are the ones who don't believe rams can be adjusted...

[Specialblend2786]

anyone with teh chopping problem is usually ignorant or a idiot. more then half teh kids i have seen say it's chopping and teh bolt is a blender... i open it up and the botl is clean as a whistle, just bad match. and the otehr people are the ones who don't believe rams can be adjusted...

no.

[bigfootczyn]

if the gun is chopping alot it is usally the ram. if the ram is not ajusted right then it weill chop

[RangerX]

anyone with teh chopping problem is usually ignorant or a idiot. more then half teh kids i have seen say it's chopping and teh bolt is a blender... i open it up and the botl is clean as a whistle, just bad match. and the otehr people are the ones who don't believe rams can be adjusted...


Ouch... it was a fellow soon to be angel owner looking for some help... relax bud.

-RangerX

[Okto]

the kids who chop havent
-adjusted halo speed
-adjusted ram stroke
-checked/adjusted LPR pressure

[Zbollman]

i'm not tryign to flame, i'm just saying that alot of people jump to conclusions before tuneing. also, the reason i said that is because alot of the owners at then fields are 12 year old kids who cna't even turn it on correctly.

[Project X]

It is not actual chopping thats taking place which some people will say it is chopping but the eyes do eliminate all chopping. It is either bad paint to barrel match, Halo/Empire Reloader B crushing balls or slice. Slice is when the ball in the breech rolls back and then allows for the ball on top of it to get into the breech just enough so when the bolt comes forward it hits the ball in the breech, but also breaks the ball on top of the one in the breech. Slicing can usually be corrected by tuning your loader and ram adjustments. The loader crushing paint can be fixed by turning your loader speed down or getting a new loader.

As for the shutdown problem. I have heard a few people complain about it, I havn't had the problem myself. It has been said that light getting in the top LED on your trigger frame will shut it down, and that can be fixed by a small piece of electrical tape over the LED. I have also read posts of people claiming that light getting in a crack just below their trigger is shutting down their Speed which can also be fixed by some electrical tape.

In the end, just disregard the posts of people complaining, because it is most likely that yours will be fine, if it does have a problem, run a search or post a question here on AOG and you will find a fix quick and easy (most of the time, unless its something very unusual which will probably be covered by warranty.)

[Bigal1]

the kids who chop havent
-adjusted halo speed
-adjusted ram stroke
-checked/adjusted LPR pressure


I'm not sure I agree. There's a thread here written by Ken Crane that says that ram adjustment has absolutely nothing to do with chopping.

Second, I'm not sure why a new speed owner should have to check or adjust his LPR in order to stop chops. Mine came from the factory correctly set at 80-85 psi and it chopped . Are you saying that the factory is setting the LPR pressure too high and it's up to the owner to lower it? I don't agree with that logic.

Finally I did have a halo. I don't know what halo speed you're talking about but I did increase eye sensitivity and it did improve significantly. But if you really want to know how happy I was with the halo, you will find it up for sale at Pirate Paintball if that tells you anything.

Not trying to argue. Just trying to understand what you are saying. :cheers:

[DYNASTYfan012]

ok thanks everyone

[Who?]

first off i am purchaseing an 05 and i have heard 2 bad things and i would like to know if it something thats true or something they just did.
First angel speed 05's and chopping alot!
i mean wearnt the new eye supposed to stop that?

Second i heard something about if a little bit of light gets in the board the wrong way it puts the board in safe mode and / or shuts it off.

and if there are any other things the 05 speed owners would like to inform me on that would be greatly appriciated

Yes it is true that some of the 05 speeds have had a few issues.. Nothing major though. But let me assure you that if you do indeed have ANY and I do mean ANY problems with your angel (any angel you buy not just the 05 speed) you are backed up by the best bunch of techs (the MT's) in the World. So just be sure to buy your angel from a Master Tech, and you will be sitting pretty sending the other team to the dead box!

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[snoop]

i had a few chopping problems when i first got my speed, i stretched out the ball detent springs.. and it seemed to fix the problem.. because now i ain't choping...

i think the halo i use just pushes the paint in to far like some guys were saying b4.....

[Talfuchre]

I will be honest with you guys.

Speed 05's are tough on paint. Here is why - any pressure on the ball stack (even from a EGG with fragile paint) causes the second ball in the stack to be cut, pinched, or atleasts molested.

I have noted that when we are all shooting the same batch - and all are breaking paint - I am breaking it more than others. I set my marker perfectly - I run my reloader on 1 light and 4 batteries OR I run an egg - even then I get some chops.

However, with GOOD paint, and the marker set well the marker is simply the best.

Results? I shoot good paint and use a reloader - when I have fragile paint I use an Egg II. I think that the rollback issue is causing partially causing this and partially it is caused by the powerfed hoppers.

I think that the G7 has a bolt that moves forward a few MM's for a reason - to correct this second ball pinch issue.

TF

[Who?]

I think that the G7 has a bolt that moves forward a few MM's for a reason - to correct this second ball pinch issue.

TF

Yeah I read that somewhere too.

[WOAVooDoo]

LOL..... I just sold my AUTOCOCKER and bought an 05 angel speed. Nobody should be complaining about chops with all this useful information. It sounds to me that if someone is too lazy to adjust a ram maybe they shouldnt be playing. These are the people that the one guy was accused of flaming. I personally think that none of these kids use this forum (too lazy to even figure out their problem). This thread has helped me alot and when I get my angel Im sure it will never chop. I guess the only reason Im posting is that the autococker is the most temperamental and labor entensive gun I have ever touched. THe angel is literally an angel compared to my old gun but as I stated before I think everyone here is definently not lazy and will definently use this useful information.

To sum what I get up (and please correct me if I'm wrong) The light issue really isn't an issue (so few people maybe its something else). THe chopping problem is caused by the hopper over feeding and the egg with great paint will almost never chop. What I dont get is, will there ever be a fix so that Halo Bs and reloader users can actually use their hoppers. ( I really want to give in and get a halo for my angel :doc: )

[Who?]

LOL..... I just sold my AUTOCOCKER and bought an 05 angel speed. Nobody should be complaining about chops with all this useful information. It sounds to me that if someone is too lazy to adjust a ram maybe they shouldnt be playing. These are the people that the one guy was accused of flaming. I personally think that none of these kids use this forum (too lazy to even figure out their problem). This thread has helped me alot and when I get my angel Im sure it will never chop. I guess the only reason Im posting is that the autococker is the most temperamental and labor entensive gun I have ever touched. THe angel is literally an angel compared to my old gun but as I stated before I think everyone here is definently not lazy and will definently use this useful information.

To sum what I get up (and please correct me if I'm wrong) The light issue really isn't an issue (so few people maybe its something else). THe chopping problem is caused by the hopper over feeding and the egg with great paint will almost never chop. What I dont get is, will there ever be a fix so that Halo Bs and reloader users can actually use their hoppers. ( I really want to give in and get a halo for my angel :doc: )

I would say to give in, and get it if you have the extra cake. I have yet to see a 05 speed without a halo at an event....

[snoop]

yeah bro i use the halo no problems, just stretch out the detent springs.. which isn't hard

[WOAVooDoo]

You guys are my heros. I will definently pick up a Halo B (not reloader because then it isnt a ahalo =)). Anywho thanks guys and stretching my springs, will deifnently do a search for that thread.

[454casull]

I thought there was a post somewhere by ken or some MT that said not to strech the detent springs. Just my two cents though. :notsure: :notsure: :patriot: :patriot:

[snoop]

oh well.. worked for me

[WOAVooDoo]

Well never the less I got my gun. The whoel clamping feedneck is neat but it takes alot of turns to work anyone else have this prob? Yeah stretching springs doesnt sound good to me.

[dahvaio]

For me I purchased the Check-It Low-Rise Clamping FeedNeck... Prefer using an allen wrench...