Barrel kit for new '05 speed

[Zbollman]

okay, i just ordered my black/yellow '05 speed, and i was wondering what barrel kit to get. with this kit i would also buy another for my Rasta Fly. if anyone could give me some experiences, strenghs, weaknesses, and anything else that would be great.

Thanks,
Zach

[RPMPIRE]

There are some threads that should answer your question around here. But if you don't feel like searching...here are some options:

-St!ff! Switch: Really really light and pretty much has most of the bore sizes you need except maybe for a .693. They are also very expensive.
-Pipe Barrel Kit: I've used this with a previous gun and its shoots really well. They have ALL the bore sizes you'll probably need. The only thing is that its really loud.

These are the two kits i've used and also recommend. There's also the Freak but if you get the freak kit, get the stainless steel ones as they are more durable than the aluminum ones. I've also heard the Empire 7 or 10 piece kit is really good. I actually prefer kits with different backs than the Freak inserts. But its all on your personal preference. Hope this helps somewhat

[Bigal1]

Looks like there's a good deal on a 12 inch black pipe kit in the classifieds...

[Rex43]

I really like my Longbow kit, I have two fronts and three backs (at this time I think they only offer three backs) they are 684, 687, and 690, I've never even noticed I had a barrel break untill after the game and I see paint in the porting. Its also pretty quiet my friend (who is used to a Spyder with stock barrel, so he might have just been suprised a paintball gun could be quiet :) said he could'nt even hear my gun and we were sharing a stand-up. Ther accuracy is very good, but I had a perfect paint to barrel match, the stock barrel was a great match too, x-ball bronze (great paint for the money). The downside is that they are pretty heavy, unless you get the titanium backs and then they are pretty expensive. They might have changed the barrels also, I've seen other styles of fronts (I have the low pressure), but their website was down last time I checked, try a search for titanium paintball, and check pbreview.com. Good luck on finding your favorite kit.

[Ronin Samurai]

i would probably suggest u get a freak kit. the pipes break easy because the porting in the tip is too close, the stiffi, is well just one barrel, so its not waht ur looking for. the freak has a lot of inserts so that u will always have the right size bore. and the way the inserts are made they are completely locked in so it wont come loose unless u manage to break the insert.

[Zbollman]

i would get teh sw!tch kit, not teh stiffi. i will be getting two kits so i may get a scepter and a longbow kit. have been lookign into both and am very pleaseed with all positive reviews.

[shaq787]

i use a freak kit with a 14 inch AA front and it wroks great. my whole team uses the freak so we are able to switch fronts depending on where we play. i have noticed that the freak regains accuracy fairly quick after a break. luckly i have done away with the chopping problem alltogether.

[canyouspellthis]

I use a sw!tch kit and I love it, quite and amazingly accurate, plus if i ever do get a barrel break (due to §§§§ty paint/weatehr) i shoot 2 more shots and its practically shooting as if nothing happend.

[Who?]

I use a sw!tch kit and I love it, quite and amazingly accurate, plus if i ever do get a barrel break (due to §§§§ty paint/weatehr) i shoot 2 more shots and its practically shooting as if nothing happend.

wish mine would do that... I have the stiffe, and it has been used about 5 times... I don't like it at all. I like how light it is, but that's about it. I don't find it shoots threw breaks any better then any other barrel I have ever used (and that is a lot of them)


http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=39050


Check out that thread. I posted it talking about a new barrel set I saw at one of the MT's stores...

[Bigal1]

wish mine would do that... I have the stiffe, and it has been used about 5 times... I don't like it at all. I like how light it is, but that's about it. I don't find it shoots threw breaks any better then any other barrel I have ever used (and that is a lot of them)



Have you ever shot the Hammerhead? You have to shoot it to believe this but honestly it's hard to tell if you had a break because it just keeps shootin. I had a break on Sunday and took the barrel off and it was clean as a whistle.

[Ronin Samurai]

yea but the prob with the hammerhead is u need good paint, and if its windy the ball will loose control because of the spin. so.... why would youwant the spin on the ball in the first place if it helps in only very select climates. i9 say, just go withthe freak, or something else.

[Bigal1]

yea but the prob with the hammerhead is u need good paint, and if its windy the ball will loose control because of the spin. so.... why would youwant the spin on the ball in the first place if it helps in only very select climates. i9 say, just go withthe freak, or something else.
buy what you want but the comment above doesn't make any sense. You're saying that if I don't use the hammerhead I can buy cheap paint? I don't think so.

I'm using the same paint with the hammerhead as I was before the hammerhead. So, I don't agree at all.

[Bigal1]

yea but the prob with the hammerhead is u need good paint, and if its windy the ball will loose control because of the spin. so.... why would youwant the spin on the ball in the first place if it helps in only very select climates. i9 say, just go withthe freak, or something else.


One more thing I meant to ask above. Can you explain how the wind affect on a spinning ball is any different than on a non-spinning ball? Again, not trying to argue here but golf-balls spin, bullets spin, footballs spin, baseballs spin and I'm not seeing how wind effect is more of an impact on a spinning paintball than a non-spinning paintball.

Isn't the reason a bullet has spin is because the rotational inertia tends to counter outside influences such as wind?

[speedemon]

don't forget about the cp kit... I shot a freak this last weekend at a tourney (on a cocker) and was pretty impressed, have not bought a kit for my speed yet but still wanted to put my two cents in... ;)

[Ronin Samurai]

yes but the paint inside can counter act the round. hh claims that the rifling will cause the paint and the shell too spin in sync, but every bal does nto exactly have the same amount of paint, and some are dimpled. anyways, do u guys think the scepter kit is better than the freak kit?

[Bigal1]

yes but the paint inside can counter act the round. hh claims that the rifling will cause the paint and the shell too spin in sync, but every bal does nto exactly have the same amount of paint, and some are dimpled.


Here's an email I sent to HH so that hopefully a more scientific answer will come forward.

Should this be moved to the barrels forum?

[Okto]

Stiffis really are the best barrels in paintball. imo.

[Bigal1]

Here's an email I sent to HH so that hopefully a more scientific answer will come forward.

Should this be moved to the barrels forum?
Got a little bit of an answer from HH today. More to follow:

[Zbollman]

it could be moved to barrels forum, but i was wanting opinions from otehr speed users(trying to get the best opinions possible).

thanks for everyones 2 cents.

[454casull]

I got a one piece stiffi .691, works great never breaks paint and shoots darts. I might add a .689 in future. My stiffi shoots faces off. HOAH!!!!

[drewbug3]

i had a j&j edge kit not bad, dont get the 12" but for the money you cant really beat the package you get. the freaks are good everyone knows that and they are a little heavy, stiffi sw!tch raises a flag as all barrel studdies have proven that you need 5" of the first bore width, yet a lot of peeps like it still. My buddy has an evil pipe which doenst seem better than my stock infinity, and the backs always stick to the front and he has to grunt for 5 min to get it off. and no one uses anything else around my area im debating just gettin two stiffi's or maybe just the sw!tch cause all you peeps love it so.............good luck

[Bigal1]

Here's the answer from the owner of Hammerhead Paintball. It's in the attached text file. I recommend after you read the text file that you read the article tied to the hyperlink below.

http://apg.cfw2.com/article.asp?content_id=7362

[jerseyballer15]

what about the cp barrel kit? ive never shot one but ive seen them shot and have heard nothing but amnazing feedback from them? atleast, from what ive hear thats what inm getting this spring

[Zbollman]

i was looking at Orbiums also, gettin teh reffing job(if i do) will get me alot of toss around money for barrels which would allow me to pick up something titanium...

[Snowfire]

WEEELLL cool i gotta check out those new Sanchez thingies. Although I have NEVER seen anyone with one, wouldn't the Lucky 15 kit be pretty kick ass?

[RPMPIRE]

just wondering...would anyone actually recommend a pipe kit for the speed?

[Spider One86]

Has anybody heard or owned a lucky 15 barrel kit?? Looking to get for my 05 speed, wondering if they work well.

[aNGel 05 SpEEd RIPpa]

try a J&J edge kit, they shoot really nice and are cheap.

but what i have is a st!ffi switch, they are awsome too and are very light

[Snowfire]

I like the name sanchez so i might get that

[Ronin Samurai]

im going to get the freak kit

[Team Venom]

I shot the Hammerhead at Madness and it shot sweet! My Stiffi may have shot just as good, I'm not sure. I just know I was hitting everything and anything I wanted to.

[454casull]

Anyone else shot a hammerhead kit, Im thinking of getting one and looking for some peoples input, thanks for everyones opinion. The reviews ive read on this barrel are mixed, someone with experience shooting these barrels give me the lowdown. I am only concerned with the accuracy claims. THANKS guys
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :patriot:

[RPMPIRE]

has anyone who has a pipe kit try the ultra tips and if they make a difference in loudness?

[Bigal1]

Anyone else shot a hammerhead kit, Im thinking of getting one and looking for some peoples input, thanks for everyones opinion. The reviews ive read on this barrel are mixed, someone with experience shooting these barrels give me the lowdown. I am only concerned with the accuracy claims. THANKS guys
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :patriot:


I'm skeptical that anyone (just a regular paintballer shooting on a field) can speak to accuracy with any degree of reliability. To speak to accuracy means that you have to have repeatability between shots. There are so many variables none of which are controlled by the average paintballer playing a game in the field so I (own a hammerhead but) won't comment on accuracy. My claim wouldn't mean anything to you or anyone else.

I recommend you read this article. it's written by the president of Hammerhead and whether you like the barrel or not, you have to give the guys credit for trying to have as controlled an environment as possible as they state their accuracy claims.

http://apg.cfw2.com/article.asp?content_id=7362

[gc82000]

For one that article is biased to the product they are trying to SELL. And the fact that they would send an email to your to prove their product is quality only means they have good customer service. nothing on their product. If the artcle was written by some outside company or Warpig.com, I would give it credibility. but not when it is written by the president of said company. I am not trying to flame you or but I am just saying the HH kit sucks.

If you want a great company with great product chack Sanchez Machine. He was a barrel designer for DYE, made the Boomie, ultralite and the other barrels DYE has. But he went out on his own to create the SM-1 kit. He also makes the Kaner kits for the Cockers upper level guns. And he was even sued by SP because of his barrels.

I would honestly get three kits if I was in the marrket for a new system. Scepter kit, Freak, and the SM-1 by Sanchez machine. All are three peice barrel systems, meaning you have a tip, back and insert, but are designed differently to give them an edge. Scepters feature a twist-lok inser system which locks the front loading inserts between the tip and back of the barrel. The SM-1 kit has a very different type of system, it has a two peice barrel system that fits over the insert which screws into the gun of choice. And the freak kit which is pretty much well known throughout the PB commuinty. But imo it is the most versatile kit out there. Because there are products for it that are not only made by SP. But as for accuracy any barrels will do but it takes a steady and composed hand to make anything accurate.

[Bigal1]

For one that article is biased to the product they are trying to SELL. And the fact that they would send an email to your to prove their product is quality only means they have good customer service. nothing on their product. If the artcle was written by some outside company or Warpig.com, I would give it credibility. but not when it is written by the president of said company. I am not trying to flame you or but I am just saying the HH kit sucks.
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Dude,

I have no interest in promoting any particular barrel kit. But I've been around here long enough now to know that barrels are as controversial as "who's your favorite baseball team and why?"

I don't think any of us are qualified to comment on barrel accuracy. There's too many variables for any of us to assert that we controlled all the variables and our results are translatable.

Cheers.