Out gunned with my IR3 Fly!

[benwelly]

I have a 2k3 IR3 Fly, Mem6 Opto. The problem ive got now is that everyone is out-shooting me. A standard halo without variable speed turns the Angel into a blender. Ive not got enough cash for another Gat.
Is there anyway to bring it upto date with all the other gats out there?
I dont know anybody that does ACE conversions in the UK either.

[progamer46506]

Get an egg 2 with a z board :)

[Talon]

Either go with an Egg with Z-board, like mentioned above, or a V35 board for your Halo.

[FrontManDan]

Chopping: i suggest that if you want to use a halo then by a brand new detent, personally i think the standard ones work fine (i never have a problem with double feeds) and people only have a problem when they are quite old. There are other aftermarket detents availible im not sure which is the best. Then either properly adjust the ram (slight resistance when you open the breach) or by and aftermarket bolt, the JAM RAS bolt looks very good, that should stop the roll back.

Aftermarket ACE in the uk.

i looked and looked and looked and i couldnt find anyone in the uk, so i did it my self.

if you dont have access to a mill then you should be able to take it to a machine shop (look in the yellow pages), and an experienced machinst should be able to do the job in about 30mins (shouldnt cost much). (i can give you the measurements)

The elctronics arnt very hard at all. if you have any problems msg me for guidence



Photos + video of my install link (http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=36309)

[dr3x]

What they just said, but imo I'd suggest a egg2 w/ z board, Halo's are nice and fast but check ur detents if they can handle it. Even w/ double detents w/ the new Angels have problems w/ FF Halos so they switch or get diff detents. Stick w/ a Egg2-zboard, it'll b fast enough. You dont need to really shoot 20+ bps, hell 13-15 is fine.

[WDP ir3 2k3]

Do you ues your Cops?

[crashdan]

definately would suggest talking to ken crane about a fly conversion for your ir3... he is the owner of www.performanceangel.com

[Vantage_TeS]

Why don't you just turn down the torque setting on your Halo???

Less push = less mush

There is a pot switch on your board. You turn it.

Also I would suggest getting an aftermarket ball detent such as the Cobra instrucdent.

[dr3x]

I have a 2k3 IR3 Fly, Mem6 Opto.

Already Flied No?

Vantage: On the Halo Board, Know which direction to reduce the stress?, clockwise/counter.

[Vantage_TeS]

http://www.angel-owners.com/showpost.php?p=294997&postcount=5

[crashdan]

http://www.angel-owners.com/showpost.php?p=294997&postcount=5
ur welcome on teh link jason

[Toolow]

Turning the dial on the halo board does absolutely nothing to the ball torque. It adjusts the eye sensitivity.

I dont know how many Angel vets telling you "DONT USE A HALO" its going to take. Halos absolutely suck on almost any gun, and an angel above all.

No eyes, ball detents, new board, or changing the WRONG dials is going to fix it. It is the design of the hopper. To FORCE feed.

Get an egg, and stop bringing up the GD halos already. 1 in 100 people has success with a Halo and their Angel for a reason. INCOMPATIBLE. An egg with a Z board and a halo are COMPLETELY the same feed rate wise, nobody can tell the difference. I know because I own and have used them both.

[crashdan]

ive never had a problem with ANY of my 4 halos on ANY angel, including lcd's, ir3's, and now fly 4's... same with ALL of my teammates....

[Toolow]

I find that sort of hard to believe but I cant stand to break even a single ball, so maybe your standards and mine are different. Im on a team that is sponsored by my local field where I see precisely the same Angel to Halo behavior every single time. And after borrowing my egg for a couple games it is precisely the same result. More guys using them or their old freaking beat up revvies.

More power to you, and your team of chosen ones.

[crashdan]

only time my halo breaks is when it breaks a drive cone or im using crappy paint

[Toolow]

I had much better success with my halo if the paint was on the bigger side too. I told a story earlier about how a tourney this place had was using not crappy but not firm enough paint so any gun running a halo was blending.

Almost the entire field had swapped to revvies eggs and ricochets by the end of the day.

Point of the matter being this:

If all conditions are right, the wind is coming softly from the south, gravity is constant, the paint is huge, the shell is thick, the fill is thick, the halo's batteries are appeased, the pot dial is adjusted for the wrong reason, the gun has either 2 detents or an instructadent, and you are using a good bolt.....your halo may work well with your Angel.

For those of us who just walk onto a field with paint and want to play without breaking a single ball, an Egg or a Revvie will work in any situation without any marker modifications or high level spells. And Egg with a little ups will dump just as quick as the quickest of halos. And dont try to tell me you shoot 30 balls a second.

Use your halo all day and use it well, but I think it is ill advised to point newer users to something like that when a much easier to use (and better performing in my opinion) option exists to them.

Not flaming anyone, just making sure my point gets run by too.

[P8ntSlinger44]

Umm, im going to tell you i shoot 30bps, becuase I do. regardless of whether or not its because of ramp is another story. And no there is no opinion in the matter of which hopper actually performs better. Performance is stritly related to the speed, consistancy, and quickness of a hopper. The halo runs circles around an evo.

i still have yet to run accross problems do to my halo. I have the Zcode board, V35, and the Angry board.

[Paintballjc]

Im on a team that is sponsored by my local field
Want a cookie???? that has really nothing to do with the topic.... I have a halo on my speed and it works perfect.... no problems at all....

[kayn_OS]

[QUOTE=dr3x]Already Flied No?

It is a IR3 Fly model not a FLIED IR3. Little bit of a difference there.

[Toolow]

No the difference it makes slick is that I sit around a field 2-3 days a week and watch how players guns works, most importantly the Angels. Refer to the story I told of a tourney I was helping ref that had weak shelled paint that I wont bore everyone with again.

I still dont buy the 30 BPS killers, want to make me shove my foot in my mouth? Just post a vid of a chrono reading that, not your angels screen. Then Ill go buy stock in Oddessy in give you half.

Guys need to relax, if you get this upset when someone talks about your 'hopper' I'd hate to see what happens if something personal came up.

Just trying to help the new guy.

[benwelly]

Ive sorted it.
Ive got a rip drive haloB with V35 board so i can slow it down and thus reduce the pressure on the stack.
New detent, new softface bolt and a software upgrade and tuning from the lovely people at WDP.
Shes now uber fast, consistant and chop free.

The cheap upgrade has brought my Gatt up to speed with the rest of the team.
Thanks for the advice people.

[Talon]

The statement that Angels and Halos aren't compatible is bull! I've never had a problem with any Halo on my Angels and neither has the rest of my team. I've also never broken a ball because of the Halo, have had issues with bore sizes, but that's just me not always choosing the right one before practice.

The statement about the Victory board was to just slow down the rate of fire since it's for an IR3.

Toolow, what makes you think that a Z-Board Egg and a Halo have the same feed rate? Even Viewloader knows that's not true and the reason is the force feed vs. gravity feed. True, they both raceways, but you can't compare the potential speed of one loader to another if they differ in delivery methods by gravity vs. a spring loaded drive cone. Even in drop tests the Egg doesn't keep up.

Don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with Viewloader and actually stuck with the Egg for quite a while. They were actually a sponsor of ours until we switched to Odyssey at World Cup last season because we changed to X-Ball for the 2005 season.

[Toolow]

Yo. The reason I would equate them to be the same is because on a ball drop test (just filling them and letting them empty into a bag or whatever) I find my stock halo B and my Z board egg to be nearly identical. Close enough that I certainly cant tell the difference.

And anyone who claims to have 'never broken a ball' because of their halo would serve us all a lot better by breaking down -exactly- what you are running and how, so hopefully others with halos that do chop like crazy can emulate your setup.

Check over on the halo thread here fellas, Im certainly not the only one complaining about them. I just figured once I started running a gun with eyes, 2 detents, a short feedneck, and a softface or jambolt I would never break a ball again. If I run my egg I find this to be true. If I run my Halo I cant even make it through a full hopper without at least one break.

I had just decided that rather than have to create the perfect halo setup I would run a hopper I can see no difference in speed with and not have to worry about paint quality/size or anything like that.

Yes Im smart enough to realize a victory (or equiv) boarded halo is the fastest hopper in the world, but I certainly dont think a halo is going to 'run circles' around an upped Egg.

Just my 2 cents. You guys should head over to that thread though, lot more relevant halo talk there usually. And the quorum there seemed to be more on my side than the halo side. I welcome you other guys to the debate with your info.

[FrontManDan]

my marker is pretty much stock apart from the ACE, it baffles me why people cant use halos when there angels stock. only thing i can think of if bolt and detent wear

[P8ntSlinger44]

Yo. The reason I would equate them to be the same is because on a ball drop test (just filling them and letting them empty into a bag or whatever) I find my stock halo B and my Z board egg to be nearly identical. Close enough that I certainly cant tell the difference.

And anyone who claims to have 'never broken a ball' because of their halo would serve us all a lot better by breaking down -exactly- what you are running and how, so hopefully others with halos that do chop like crazy can emulate your setup.

Check over on the halo thread here fellas, Im certainly not the only one complaining about them. I just figured once I started running a gun with eyes, 2 detents, a short feedneck, and a softface or jambolt I would never break a ball again. If I run my egg I find this to be true. If I run my Halo I cant even make it through a full hopper without at least one break.

I had just decided that rather than have to create the perfect halo setup I would run a hopper I can see no difference in speed with and not have to worry about paint quality/size or anything like that.

Yes Im smart enough to realize a victory (or equiv) boarded halo is the fastest hopper in the world, but I certainly dont think a halo is going to 'run circles' around an upped Egg.

Just my 2 cents. You guys should head over to that thread though, lot more relevant halo talk there usually. And the quorum there seemed to be more on my side than the halo side. I welcome you other guys to the debate with your info.

Good idea, I will look into it

[Who?]

I have both too. I hate my egg. It is junk. ANd it feeds IMO noticably slower then the halo. I actaully think my halo feeds slow too. :notsure:

[FrontManDan]

I have both too. I hate my egg. It is junk. ANd it feeds IMO noticably slower then the halo. I actaully think my halo feeds slow too. :notsure:


if you think your halo is slow in comparison to other halo's, do a drop test with it, you should get about 17-18 bps average out of it

[MM77X]

Eggs are pretty much junk.If you can keep the shells togrther,they do allright for practice.I have 2 on the shelf awaiting left side shells.I have 3 halo's,and have had them on everything from an led to an A4 fly.Always work great,you just have to find what works best for each gun.Need that new was board for the G7!

[flyguy4]

put it on the vidio thread under 30 bps cuzz i want to see LOL

[Talon]

Yo. The reason I would equate them to be the same is because on a ball drop test (just filling them and letting them empty into a bag or whatever) I find my stock halo B and my Z board egg to be nearly identical. Close enough that I certainly cant tell the difference.

Drop test sure, but I usually have a problem with my Egg keeping up when on my marker. The problem I noticed with teching Eggs is that there is rather sloppy quality control when it comes to boards and servos. Sometimes you get lucky and get a good one, but we used to have to swap out boards and servos for our Eggs all of the time. We'd show up at the VL booth and ask for a replacement servo, and they'd usually give us 3 to 5 for every 1 that we asked for because of tolerancing. I have no problems with Eggs, but now I have to shoot a Halo and since changing haven't had any problems. I have a Force Fly and wouldn't get blank shots because of the eyes, but there were definite gaps in ropes because of the Egg.

And anyone who claims to have 'never broken a ball' because of their halo would serve us all a lot better by breaking down -exactly- what you are running and how, so hopefully others with halos that do chop like crazy can emulate your setup.

No problem there. I have an LPR of 65, A.I.R. output of about 300, just under 200 out of the mini-reg, dwell at 9, clean and maintained eyes and detents, and use a V35 in my Halo, usually at 4 or 5 depending on where I'm playing. After every day of playing both the Halo and the Angel get completely broken down, cleaned, lubed, recalibrated, and wiped down. I've had barrell breaks sure, but we use Proto Darts or Viper Platinum and haven't broken in the loader or breech since putting the Halo on my Force Fly at Cup.

Check over on the halo thread here fellas, Im certainly not the only one complaining about them. I just figured once I started running a gun with eyes, 2 detents, a short feedneck, and a softface or jambolt I would never break a ball again. If I run my egg I find this to be true. If I run my Halo I cant even make it through a full hopper without at least one break.

I had just decided that rather than have to create the perfect halo setup I would run a hopper I can see no difference in speed with and not have to worry about paint quality/size or anything like that.

Yes Im smart enough to realize a victory (or equiv) boarded halo is the fastest hopper in the world, but I certainly dont think a halo is going to 'run circles' around an upped Egg.

Just my 2 cents. You guys should head over to that thread though, lot more relevant halo talk there usually. And the quorum there seemed to be more on my side than the halo side. I welcome you other guys to the debate with your info.

Completely understand where you are coming from. I've seen more than my fair share of Halos turning into blenders, I might have just gotten lucky, or stumbled onto a setup that works, or keep my gear cleaned and maintained well enough to limit problems.