Got Shootdown? - Please Reply - Poll

[corrupt123]

Okay, there isnt actually a poll, but i am vary curious about one thing. i'll get right to the point so you can reply and help me/us out, and post my theory/story below.

if you have had shootdown, please tell me what has happened, and which catagorie it would best fit into

1- Shootdown, causing the balls to drop infront of you, within 10-40 feet, you can hear the gun burping for air

2- Shootdown, causing the balls to drop infront of you, within 10-40 feet, you cannot hear the gun burping for air

3- Shootdown, causing the balls to stop up in the barrel, or fall within arms reach. you can hear the gun burping for air

4- Shootdown, causing the balls to stop up in the barrel, or fall within arms reach. you cannot hear the gun burping for air

5- Shootdown, causing the balls to slam into eachother in the air constantly, causing a big cloud of paint. you can hear the gun burping for air

6- Shootdown, causing the balls to slam into eachother in the air constantly, causing a big cloud of paint. you cannot hear the gun burping for air

please also spesify if you get the problem when you're WALKING the trigger (shooting as fast as you can go) or if you still do when you pull as fast as you can, but with ONE finger

----------------------- heres why i ask

i had my evovle kit set as best i could, right down to what the instructions said/ dryfiring i wasnt getting shootdown, atleast, not anything i could hear (no burping) but when i put paint in the gun, and ripped (walking w/ 2 fingers) i had the balls slamming into eachother in the air infront of me. now, while they did this i didnt notice any shootdown, be it sound, or the paint getting lesser and lesser distance each shot leading up to the paint cloud infront of me. a little dissapointed, and angry, i pulled off the kit and played stock.

apon further thinking, i was remembering how the MT's had said once you get to a certain speed shooting (the iHalo) if the balls slow down at all, you will get exactly what i had. paint hitting itself in the air. when i checked the lcd, (fly) it said i was doing 27 bps! and my trigger is legal too (within two or 2 shots, rarely) so im thinking, i must have been shooting pretty damn fast. i was also using a reloader... fast. aswell, when i shot slower, i wasnt getting shootdown, even when i shot as fast as i could, but with only one finger, still, no paint cloud.

aswell, the barrel i was using (16" UL with stiffi tip) was .. "well fitted" to the paint, so i wouldnt be surprised if a few balls were slowing down.

opinions, opinions?

[DrKillgore]

no shoot down, no fsdo, but i dont use the lpr adjuster, i have it on my angel with no internals for cosmetic purposes

[sharps990]

personaly i got a #3 on my hands

as for your problem i dont think it would be the case that you where actualy shooting a constant 27bps since the angel bps reader only dects the time between two shots not how many shots you actualy shot in a second

but you may be encountering mild shootdown (the balls droping 15-20ft behind the original shot) and then have a random flyer in there thats only going 145fps and thats the ball that gets slamed into...thats just a theroy tho, i havnt encountered the problem

sharps

[El Pirata]

I guess I have #2 on my hands though I am no sure what you are refering to as a burping sound. On my first shot and only the first one I can tell it's less velocity than it is supposed to be. All other shots after the first are flawless.

[corrupt123]

burping... it's kinda hard to explane it, but you can actually hear the gun half cycling and/or firing.

if you got the time on your hands, try setting the output of your first stage to 200 psi than the inline to whatever , 160, that should be too close and will cause the gun to burp. that, or just get a PE preset and shoot her on demo mode. doubt those will keep up.

[El Pirata]

Nope, no burping then.

[corrupt123]

cool. i'd still like to hear from anyone who has their LPR drilled out. not the actual LPR but the brass "mushroom" shaped peice thats included with the evolve kit (sits opposite the poston & presses aganst it) as i think drilling it out increases airflow considerably, solving the shootdown related to the LPR adjuster.

on another note, i am aware i may not have been shooting 17 bps consistantly, but i will say i can usually pull low 20's easily, and consistantly (consistant ROF, board says 19-21) and when i shot it fealt... "different" bit of a mix between reduces kick and increased ROF i think.

[o0beaner]

I had a cross between #2 and #6 for awhile, but I since fixed my problem by backing my valve spring out a bit. Had tightened it too much, and the LPR was not recharging fast enough to effectively cycle the gun under the increased valve pressure. Having since backed it out, I run the LPR adjuster set at approximately 38-40 psi, with no fsdo, no shootdown, good efficiency, and no blowback. I would try backing out your valve spring screw a bit.

[corrupt123]

i tried that, but i soppose it couldnt hurt to back it out more.

what im afrade of, is trying it and backing out the screw to a point where i've got so much blowback rather than the balls breaking in ther air they break in the neck. no big deal, but i dont want to have to clean up the mess.

[o0beaner]

If you've got blowback, theres no sense in backing it out too much more, as I doubt its the problem. I backed it out enough to lighten the pressure without implementing blowback.

[corrupt123]

well if it's not the problem. what else could it be? i have more than sufficiently lubed both the o-rings on the valve rod.

[OriginalFormula-Duns]

could be too much lube.............................................. .........

i have no clue really tho

[El Pirata]

Unless you have oil or grease dripping off then it's generally not an excessive lube problem.

[OriginalFormula-Duns]

as i said........i really have no clue.

i no that on matrixes, turning up the LPR has been known to help stuff like this (did on my friends trix).

[corrupt123]

i'll give the LPR a try, although if thats the solve i'll be royally pissed. a kit designed to drop the LPR pressure that requires you to turn up the pressure... great.

anyways, blew 2 seals in my conq this weekend so it'll be atleast another week before i can give it a shot.

[corrupt123]

well, i used the gun today. internally stock, except i had the newton LPR adjuster installed.

§§§§in rippped; not a single issue. infact, i think i reduced the kick slightly. although that might just be because i switched tanks, and so the set-up feels different.

apparently evovle has mailed out the new parts for the volly, so once that all gets here i'll be giving it a shot. now i know for sure, it's the volumizer side.