Magnets: Mechanical Bounce

[masterdebater]

Alright, there is a big debate in another thread and I decided to break off and focus on mechanical bounce. By the end of this thread
I will have explained how to achieve the highest mechanical bounce possible.

Lets consider all the possible outcomes of the magnets in the trigger setup. The following are all of the possible arrangements to set your magnets up. They are fine stock, but this is just for people who would like to fine tune your marker. Disclamer: You may damage your trigger or marker.:

Stock Setup: 1.
Front: Pull - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Push - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel

2.
Front: Push - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Pull - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel

3.
Front: Pull - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Push - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel

4.
Front: Push - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Pull - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel

5.
Front: Pull - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Pull - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel

6.
Front: Pull - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Pull - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel

7.
Front: Push - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Push - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel

8.
Front: Push - Large Magnet Vernier Wheel
Back: Push - Small Magnet Vernier Wheel

I know this looks like a lot of information, but now is the simplification process. The best way to achieve mechanical bounce with setup 8. After the trigger is pulled, it is sling shotted back to the stronger magnet in the front which sends the trigger flying back. The best way to achieve this is to remove the rubber discs between the trigger and the trigger frame. Set your debounce settings to their highest. And set the triggers return stroke and over all stroke to its smallest length, but still so it doesn't stick. Your BPS will greatly increase, your trigger pull will be lighter, and you will get pulled out of the came for bouncing. LMAO!

To completely eliminate bounce, put the rubber discs back in to create friction between the trigger and trigger frame to have less chances of bounce. Put the bounce settings at their lowest. Use magnetic trigger setup 3. You will have the hardest trigger pull of all of them, but you will be garunteed not to be pulled of the field with this setup.

Now all you noobs out there stop posting threads about how you can make your gun faster. Because I have just explained it here. Use the search function, 75% of the time the question has already been answered. Read your manual another 15% of the time, the question you have can be answered by the manual. Remember practice makes perfect. If you slow with your fingers at walking, take your gun out ever day for about 2 times a day and walk your trigger continuously for about 15 min (or until your fingers can't stand it any more).

I hope this thread answers lots of questions. Good luck with your angel, and keep ripping away WDP style!

:patriot:

Got Stickies?

[masterdebater]

Oh, come on guys, what do you think. I finally got the word that the stock setup is 1.

[El Pirata]

There's a third setup that I was thinking about doing and that is using a second set of vernier knobs and either use dual small or dual large magnets.

[masterdebater]

There's a third setup that I was thinking about doing and that is using a second set of vernier knobs and either use dual small or dual large magnets.

well then the forces would be equal. equal forces means no bounce.

[El Pirata]

In a perfect world you would be correct. Take off you grip frame from the body and look at the trigger once the magnetic forces are removed. Gravity kicks in and the trigger pivots further forward. So in essence the magnets the same size would never be completely equal. It's not like my purpose of playing with a trigger has anything do do with creating bounce. I am tinkering to gain a softer and smoother trigger pull.

[masterdebater]

In a perfect world you would be correct. Take off you grip frame from the body and look at the trigger once the magnetic forces are removed. Gravity kicks in and the trigger pivots further forward. So in essence the magnets the same size would never be completely equal. It's not like my purpose of playing with a trigger has anything do do with creating bounce. I am tinkering to gain a softer and smoother trigger pull.

ahh, well, you want softer, put the smallest magnet in the back and the biggest in the front. that is if you want everything stock. other wise buy another set, and make both of the small. youll have less resistance, but possibly more bounce. i guess you could also add that subject to this thread.

[pballer2]

i think if the magnets are equal u would get the trigger rocking back and forth. like if u pulled it 1 then the back magnet would push the trigger forward then the front would push back and it would never stop lol.

[maybachgt]

well how is that possible. For that to happen the magnets would have to stop and one would work at a time

[El Pirata]

i think if the magnets are equal u would get the trigger rocking back and forth. like if u pulled it 1 then the back magnet would push the trigger forward then the front would push back and it would never stop lol.
That is a very valid point if you don't factor in gravity making the trigger return to the forward position.

[pballer2]

exactly my point they both would push against each other causing a automatic moving trigger(u wouldnt have to pull the trigger it would do it itself)lol

[El Pirata]

Mine has been setup like that since day 1 and I have never had the trigger move itself.

[pballer2]

but is both of ur magnets equal

[El Pirata]

No, the one in front is stronger out of the box which supports the fact that the weight of the trigger adds a great deal in the return.

[masterdebater]

No, the one in front is stronger out of the box which supports the fact that the weight of the trigger adds a great deal in the return.

i havent had time to flip the magnet lately, but ill do it when i get a chance

[masterdebater]

§§§§! Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. The §§§§ing magnet wont come out. I'm so pissed. I tried everything. Maybe ill just go but one those extra sets of verner wheels. put liquid nitorgen on it. then smak the magnet so it breaks, then the §§§§ will come out. then ill take the magnet out of the other one and put it in. i cant believe it wont come out

[masterdebater]

now i got to find another way to bounce.

[ZoomZoom]

if the magnets were equal witch ever magnet the trigger magnet was closest to they would just stick there and and stay one magnet has to be stronger so that the trigger will return

[El Pirata]

Yeah but in my case the larger magnet is repelling so the trigger is not effected by a magnetic force as much for the retur, as it is for the pull.

[masterdebater]

ya, i wouldnt want to face this guy in a match, his trigger must bounce like a §§§§er

[maybachgt]

I really got to try this

[masterdebater]

hehe, i didnt work for me, i could never get the damn magnet out.

i want to try it bad tho, maybe ill pay cobra 25 bucks to do it professionally

[nastylax8]

good idea

[masterdebater]

good idea

really or was that sarcasm?

[nastylax8]

no, it really is a good idea to have it done by a proffesional. Sure, ya have to pay 25 bucks but it is better that screwing it up and having to pay 65 for a new trig

[masterdebater]

aw sick thanks man, ill call em up and see if they can hook me up, if they can ill let you guys know

[nastylax8]

sweet

[masterdebater]

ya, they arent open right now. lmao. its 7:00. here pacific time. ill give em a call tomorow as soon as i get home.

[masterdebater]

Arlight guys, news flash. The mod has been tested. Apparently the flipping of the magnet will have more chances of sticking in the back, but will increase bounce. For lighter trigger pull, either remove the front bottom magnet, or remove the big magnet from the vernier wheel and switch the wheels. Impact Paintball and Cobra Paintball will do it professionally for under 20 bucks.

Nastylax8, Cobra paintball is not coming out with a Speed 05 trigger.

[maybachgt]

Thanks for that info. I think i will have to pay a pro to do this the magnet is just no coming out

[masterdebater]

Thanks for that info. I think i will have to pay a pro to do this the magnet is just no coming out

yah me neither

[maybachgt]

I really don't like touching my guns cause they are easy to break. I only play with the programming part of guns

[El Pirata]

Heck the mechanical part is the easy part. Metal is a heck of a lot harder to break than plastic.

[ZoomZoom]

I really don't like touching my guns cause they are easy to break. I only play with the programming part of guns
they dont break that easy

[maybachgt]

if you are very careful

[El Pirata]

If it can't be broken I have not touched it yet! My Speed is not broken yet so I think you are safe to say it's not that delicate.

[maybachgt]

I agree about The Speeds

[maybachgt]

I was refering to other guns like DM5s and cheap autocockers like RX5s

[masterdebater]

well, im gonna have a professional do it. then i could do what eva

[El Pirata]

I was refering to other guns like DM5s and cheap autocockers like RX5s
I never broke a cocker either. At least none of them left my hands broken though hundreds came to me broken.

[masterdebater]

I never broke a cocker either. At least none of them left my hands broken though hundreds came to me broken.

Ya, my cocker is a bitch sometimes but thats life.

[maybachgt]

Ya but electro cockers give me tons of problems

[ZoomZoom]

my old freeflo cocker didnt realy give me to much trouble

[El Pirata]

Ya but electro cockers give me tons of problems
My free flow with a race grip never gave me any problems with the exception of the detent wire being too stiff but I fixed that as soon as I noticed the problem.

[o0beaner]

The last time I had a true problem with a cocker was on my first gun, a '99 slide cocker, and that was before I figured out what I was doing working on them. I proceeded to get an ANS GX-4 cocker, e-blade that myself, upgrade everything there is to be upgraded, and tune it into a beast. Just gotta know what youre doing with them. If you dont, your problems will worsen by ten fold.

[El Pirata]

I just got off the phone with Ken Crane about trigger magnets on the speed 05. The front magnets are supposed to attract and the rear magnets are supposed to repel. For some reason the front magnet on my trigger is reversed making it repel instead of attracting like it is supposed to. Actually I really like this setup and can reach great rof's that way too.

Now I have an answer to this and an explanation exactly how the trigger works.

[ZoomZoom]

I just got off the phone with Ken Crane about trigger magnets on the speed 05. The front magnets are supposed to attract and the rear magnets are supposed to repel. For some reason the front magnet on my trigger is reversed making it repel instead of attracting like it is supposed to. Actually I really like this setup and can reach great rof's that way too.

Now I have an answer to this and an explanation exactly how the trigger works.
hehehe no im sorry El......see i wasnt full of it after all :bouncer:

[El Pirata]

This time not but you will be again... Bank on it...

[esandov]

Thinking about it..there are alternatives to the 2 set magnet triggers. You can just as easily remove one of the 2 sets (either the large one or the small one) to alter the strength of the trigger force. In addition you can decide the polarity of the one set leave into pulling or pushing and set the preference on whether or not you want the stiffness to increase or decrease depending what direction you are going.

e.g. I currently only have the front veneer magnets in (the LG set), in the pulling polarity. This is so as I pull toward the rear the trigger becomes lighter as the magnets pull apart in the front.

Additionally, I found that if I set the trigger too far back (magnets being default farther in the front) I would get bounce (I no likey). So by setting my trigger short but forward the magnet by default is close. This allowed me to have a light pull while reducing the bouncing properties since when returning, the magnets would come into its closest proximity quickly reapplying pressure.