getting an 05 speed HK'd

[PouringPaintOn]

I've been talking to this guy who knows Steve Quan from HK that would HK my gun. I just wanted to know what was all of your opinions about this? I can't really see a downside to it, but I'm rather new to this sort of thing and don't know much about it yet. The guy told me he puts all DM4 chips and electronics into the gun. Would this make my gun better? The guy said it won't void the warranty cuz I can just take out the stuff he put in and put the stock stuff back in.

[nastylax8]

that would be pretty cool. Personally i like the stock 05 speed stuff. But whatever works for you. I am not sure if it voids your warranty. My guess is that it would

[El Pirata]

What's wrong with your speed currently? Do you just want to say that you have DM4 internals on your speed?

[masterdebater]

i have searched everywhere.

what the hell is getting ur gun hked?

[PouringPaintOn]

What's wrong with your speed currently? Do you just want to say that you have DM4 internals on your speed?

Nothing is wrong with it. I just want to see what's this HK thing. Since no one around where I live has money, I am forced to take people's advice over the internet and unfortunately buy things just so I can try them out. That's all, I wanna know what exactly is this thing supposed to do that my speed already doesn't do and if it's crappier or the same as my speed or better.

It's the same reason some people buy an 05 speed even though they already have an A4 fly. They wanna see what is different or better about it, or worse about it compared to their A4 fly.

[PouringPaintOn]

i have searched everywhere.

what the hell is getting ur gun hked?

Read my first post it's supposed to change the electronics in your gun to DM4 electronics and make it able to use DM4 chips.

[bobjim]

DM4 board is slower than a 05 speed board with eyes so why would you want that?

[maybachgt]

Well there are so many chips for the dm4

[nastylax8]

ya if you want an insanely fast one for a really good price (i might be able to get it even cheaper for you AOG guys) go to www.rxpaintball.com

[maybachgt]

i like the warped nxl chip

[nastylax8]

ya that is a pretty good one, so is the virtue

[maybachgt]

ya it has more mode for the cheaters

[nastylax8]

i dont need any cheaters board for my 05. i just turn up the bounce and i can shoot like 23

[maybachgt]

bounce is dangerous though cause it can shoot when you stop

[nastylax8]

ya, thats why i hold my gun pointed at what i was shooting at til it stops

[maybachgt]

ya true but aren't you a front man so why do you need to shoot that fast

[nastylax8]

i only turn on bounce for walk on games when i just sit back and lay paint

[PouringPaintOn]

Ok, it might be slower but who can really shoot 31 bps? I want to know if it's gonna be as smooth as a DM4 or if it just means it's an angel with a dm4 brain.

[Twiggy]

Kicks up the resale for the gun, s'all i gotta say.

[El Pirata]

Cheater boards. Dudes, when is enough? Do you really think you need to be firing 30bps? What ever happened to working for something? Try a little work with your fingers and you will increase your rof. Another thing I hope you guys volunteer to be the targets when people are testing the overshoot due to bouncing.

[Starvok]

Cheater boards. Dudes, when is enough? Do you really think you need to be firing 30bps? What ever happened to working for something? Try a little work with your fingers and you will increase your rof. Another thing I hope you guys volunteer to be the targets when people are testing the overshoot due to bouncing.


AMEN!!!!!!

[PouringPaintOn]

Cheater boards. Dudes, when is enough? Do you really think you need to be firing 30bps? What ever happened to working for something? Try a little work with your fingers and you will increase your rof. Another thing I hope you guys volunteer to be the targets when people are testing the overshoot due to bouncing.

No, I don't want a cheater board ...i already shoot fast enough i wanted to know if it makes the gun shoot smoother or whatever or is it gonna perform exactly the same just with different modes?

[maybachgt]

well the musashi 3 isn't really a cheater board it just scans the trigger more times

[Morginie]

No, I don't want a cheater board ...i already shoot fast enough i wanted to know if it makes the gun shoot smoother or whatever or is it gonna perform exactly the same just with different modes?

It is probably a waste of money compared to something such as: lowering you pressure, barrel kit. Or you could spend the money on paint and get better...

[maybachgt]

But it would be kinda cool

[El Pirata]

But it would be kinda cool
Glad to see you volunteering to be a target for testing the overshoot.

[El Pirata]

well the musashi 3 isn't really a cheater board it just scans the trigger more times
If it scans the trigger more than once per pull it is a cheater board.

[Hathegkla]

how exactly do you change your internals to fit a dm4\5 chip in an 05 speed? they don't use an opto board so would they even fit, and how would you activate the switch? is there a way to make on opto board work with an dm4 chip? I'm kinda interested in the virtue software (just because everyone is useing some kind of ramping at the field I play at). It just looks like the dm4 board wouldnt even fit, I'm not sure what you'd have to do but I'd be very interested in the process.

[PouringPaintOn]

Ok folks, forget about all the cheating software for a second. Ok ....now, does anyone know the answer to my question about what does this do to my speed? Does it just make it so it has all the different modes of a DM4 and still shoot like an 05 speed, or does it change it so it's like shooting a DM4 just with an angel body?

I want to know if it's gonna make the shots smoother than my angel, cuz my angel has a good amount of kick.

[Hathegkla]

well its not going to be a dm4 its still going to be an angel but the eye logic and fireing modes will be like a dm4. so there is no yes or no answer.

[El Pirata]

You want it done and don't know what it does??? Blow the money and find out. Personally I like to have an idea of what the end result might be before throwing some greenbacks out to try something.

[Hathegkla]

I think he was asking what it does, he never said he was going to do it.

[PouringPaintOn]

You want it done and don't know what it does??? Blow the money and find out. Personally I like to have an idea of what the end result might be before throwing some greenbacks out to try something.

Ummm ...that's what I'm here for. I'm here to find out what it does. I don't want it done to my gun if it just changes the eye logic and firing modes. Now that I know that's all it does I'm not going to get it. The stock eye logic and firing modes are enough for me. I wanted to know if it was gonna make the gun shoot smoother that is all.

[El Pirata]

Possible but unlikely. WDP has put together a great combo in the speed.

[PouringPaintOn]

Possible but unlikely. WDP has put together a great combo in the speed.

Yeah, I don't think it will make it shoot any different, the only thing it does (Atleast what I think it does now) is make it so I can shoot full auto, or ramp, or bounce and stuff. I don't want that. I just want it to have less kick. I would invest in the evolve kit but you and some others seem to be having problems with theirs so I thought this might be another option to reduce kick. It also costs less than the evolve kit. But I don't want it, because I don't care for paying $100-$150 for something that I will only get to use to just show my friends that my gun has the crap load of unneccessary modes.

[El Pirata]

Grab a stainless backed barrel is you want to be rid of kick.

[maybachgt]

true i love the boomy

[nastylax8]

i love my warped sportz dark barrel for big bore paint and my stock infinity or jt barrels for small bore paint

[PouringPaintOn]

Is the hammerhead barrel kit heavy?

[nastylax8]

so so . .. it is not light, but not really heavy. i liked it but i like my warped barrel more

[maybachgt]

i hear the hammer heads don;t work well

[El Pirata]

Is the hammerhead barrel kit heavy?Does it have a stainless back/ If so then it's heavier than an all alum barrel.

[maybachgt]

is the dye titanium lighter than the ultralight

[PouringPaintOn]

is the dye titanium lighter than the ultralight

Ok, think about it. Titanium is pretty damn heavy ....and do you think it is lighter than a barrel called "ultralight"?

[maybachgt]

i always heard it was light. So i gues it is just a waste of money

[nastylax8]

Ok, think about it. Titanium is pretty damn heavy ....and do you think it is lighter than a barrel called "ultralight"?

that had to be one of the most off comments i have ever heard. Titanium is one of the lightest metals. My dad has an all Titanium bike that ways all of 14.2 pounds. Lance armstrong's bike isnt even that light.(lance's is all carbon fiber but it is in a slightly larger size than my dad's)

[El Pirata]

The titanium is heavier than the alum but only slightly and 3 times the strength. It is way lighter than the originaly boomstick with the stainless back.

[nastylax8]

The titanium is heavier than the alum but only slightly and 3 times the strength. It is way lighter than the originaly boomstick with the stainless back.

due to its strength, when they make bikes they can use less of it and bring the weight way down. That is why titanium bikes weigh less than aluminum bikes

[masterdebater]

one question:

WHY IN THE §§§§ WOULD YOU WANT DM4 PARTS INSTEAD OF WDP PARTS?

[nastylax8]

not that many people do

[masterdebater]

if they do they are pretty §§§§ed up

[nastylax8]

lol

[maybachgt]

DM4's suck anyway

[nastylax8]

they dont suck, they are just too heavy

[masterdebater]

and inefficient. the only parts you could really replace are the valve and §§§§. why would you want an enifecient gun?

[maybachgt]

well i don't really like them

[nastylax8]

you wouldnt

[maybachgt]

i know thats why i said it

[masterdebater]

omg now im confused

[nastylax8]

me too, what are you refering to maybach, my post refered to "why would you want an inneficient gun?"

[El Pirata]

omg now im confusedThat's a surprise...

[masterdebater]

me too, what are you refering to maybach, my post refered to "why would you want an inneficient gun?"

lmao, i know, sometimes threads can get confusing if the posts are not descriptive enough. i think he thinks he said that they were ineficeint. lol

[nastylax8]

threads on PBN are always confusing

[masterdebater]

oh god, they never respond either

[masterdebater]

i think they are stupid. we need to get back on topic on these threads, we are being ADHD positive lil kids

[ZoomZoom]

ok well back on topic does any one know any body that has there angel HK'ed

[PouringPaintOn]

i don't know titanium feels like a big difference in weight compared to my friends ultralight.

[El Pirata]

Compare it to a stainless boomstick and you'll really see a difference.

[o0beaner]

Getting someone from HK to mod your gun is going to do nothing for how your gun shoots. To be honest, I wonder if he knows what hes talking about, because like someone mentioned previously, there are no DM4/5 chips/board/software that account for using an opto trigger. If he were to work on it, chances are, your trigger would be replaced with a standard switch trigger system, if he could do it at all. You cant have DM4 internals in an angel, because they are two completely different systems. Angels use the 14-way valve, DM4s use a spool valve system, and they are FAR from interchangeable. If this is an option at all to you and your gun, it would do nothing but give you firing modes. I would invest in an Evolve kit or a stainless backed barrel, as stated above. Dont waste your money.

[maybachgt]

Ya and i don't really like dye guns. Get a boomy

[ZoomZoom]

Getting someone from HK to mod your gun is going to do nothing for how your gun shoots. To be honest, I wonder if he knows what hes talking about, because like someone mentioned previously, there are no DM4/5 chips/board/software that account for using an opto trigger. If he were to work on it, chances are, your trigger would be replaced with a standard switch trigger system, if he could do it at all. You cant have DM4 internals in an angel, because they are two completely different systems. Angels use the 14-way valve, DM4s use a spool valve system, and they are FAR from interchangeable. If this is an option at all to you and your gun, it would do nothing but give you firing modes. I would invest in an Evolve kit or a stainless backed barrel, as stated above. Dont waste your money.
thank you for the research and this post

[PouringPaintOn]

Getting someone from HK to mod your gun is going to do nothing for how your gun shoots. To be honest, I wonder if he knows what hes talking about, because like someone mentioned previously, there are no DM4/5 chips/board/software that account for using an opto trigger. If he were to work on it, chances are, your trigger would be replaced with a standard switch trigger system, if he could do it at all. You cant have DM4 internals in an angel, because they are two completely different systems. Angels use the 14-way valve, DM4s use a spool valve system, and they are FAR from interchangeable. If this is an option at all to you and your gun, it would do nothing but give you firing modes. I would invest in an Evolve kit or a stainless backed barrel, as stated above. Dont waste your money.

Awesome. Finally someone answered my question.

Ok, now you all may continue talking about cheater boards again.

[Doug]

People were answering you when they talked about cheater boards, and o0beaner just restated it all.

The speed 05 can shoot 31bps with the stock board. You cannot shoot 31bps legally, no human can. A new board will change the way the trigger operates and possibly change the efficiency of the other internals.

1) Since your gun can shoot faster than your fingers can move, the only way to speed it up is to have a cheater board, and how does this help you in competition?

2) When we're talking about how to configure and work the internals of the gun, I don't think anyone is going to claim they know the internals better than WDP and therefore can do this better than the stock board.

The makers of aftermarket boards either remove ROF caps (this can be useful for some guns, but the speed 05 doesn't have one), add new modes (not useful for competition), or allow you to 'cheat' (more bounce, ramp, etc.). That's it.

[PouringPaintOn]

People were answering you when they talked about cheater boards, and o0beaner just restated it all.

The speed 05 can shoot 31bps with the stock board. You cannot shoot 31bps legally, no human can. A new board will change the way the trigger operates and possibly change the efficiency of the other internals.

1) Since your gun can shoot faster than your fingers can move, the only way to speed it up is to have a cheater board, and how does this help you in competition?

2) When we're talking about how to configure and work the internals of the gun, I don't think anyone is going to claim they know the internals better than WDP and therefore can do this better than the stock board.

The makers of aftermarket boards either remove ROF caps (this can be useful for some guns, but the speed 05 doesn't have one), add new modes (not useful for competition), or allow you to 'cheat' (more bounce, ramp, etc.). That's it.

Yeah but I know about the cheater boards already ...I wanted to know what the conversion does besides make my speed able to use those chips. No one talked about if it would make my gun shoot smoother. Other people have fly boards and stuff in their guns. I figure you could do the same with some of the DM4 parts. People got frickin' shockers modified with timmy parts and stuff, I figure you could do it with an angel and dm4.

[Twiggy]

You might be able to, its not really worth it or anything, unless you want some kickass resale.

[Paintballjc]

There is no point to messing with your speed other then one thing. Get an evolve kit. Probably the best thing you can do to it. As long as you have a fast loader, good air system, and an evolve kit.... You are ready to go.

[El Pirata]

You might be able to, its not really worth it or anything, unless you want some kickass resale.Unless that mod takes the world of paintball by storm the resale will probably be lower than if it had a stock board.

[PouringPaintOn]

You might be able to, its not really worth it or anything, unless you want some kickass resale.

Like how much is "kickass resale"? If I ever sell my 05 then I will get it HK'd. I like it how it is now though, the only thing I'm missing is a DEZign open faced bolt and an evolve kit, and i should be set.

[Twiggy]

HK's techonology stuff is rare, and people will buy an HK'd gun for higher than its worth just for the sake of it having the HK name associated with it, an HK'd 05 speed (if you can do it) can probably go for like 900-1000 bucks or some nice trades, thats what I think would happen imho.

[PouringPaintOn]

what's so rare about DM4 cheater boards and electronics? lol ...everybody and their mama has a DM4/5

[Twiggy]

Cough cough, DM4 and those things in an Angel/Other guns? Most of the increase in resale would be from the fact an HK tech has messed with it and stuff, people like HK alot and would pay oodles of money for out of the ordinary Hk tech.

[o0beaner]

Thats a weak theory, the 5peeds' electronics being what they are, its going to be such a bitch to mod that you're gonna spend more getting it done than what it will tack onto your resale.

[Doa]

the Predator kit is sick fast. it will keep up with or beat my 05 speed also it comes with the lazer eyes like the ones you can get for the angels

http://www.tagsportz.com/sales/DMchip.htm

[FRED-D]

Peeople Talk About What Kind Of Gun Everyone Has. And People Talk Bout What Is The Best Gun Out There....i Dont Think It Matters...if You Know How To Hide And Shoot And Not Get Hit..damn Your Good To Go.

[Doa]

Peeople Talk About What Kind Of Gun Everyone Has. And People Talk Bout What Is The Best Gun Out There....i Dont Think It Matters...if You Know How To Hide And Shoot And Not Get Hit..damn Your Good To Go.

you are perfectly right as long as you play hard and well it dont matter what you use.
we have a guy that uses a 10 shot pistol and alot of times he is the last one in...
so it goes to say it dont realy matter

[PouringPaintOn]

you are perfectly right as long as you play hard and well it dont matter what you use.
we have a guy that uses a 10 shot pistol and alot of times he is the last one in...
so it goes to say it dont realy matter

He's the last one in cuz maybe he doesn't do anything, besides if I were playing against you guys and saw that he had a 10 shot pistol I'd save him for last. He doesn't provide enough of an immediate threat as the guys with semi's do.

[Doa]

well i guess you never seen him play. and i take advantage of the fact that everyone doesnt want to end up out by a pistol and they do not play tight

[PouringPaintOn]

well i guess you never seen him play. and i take advantage of the fact that everyone doesnt want to end up out by a pistol and they do not play tight

Sure he might be great but come on ...doesn't he play better with a semi?

[Doa]

he plays alot better. he says he likes the challange of the pistol and he conserves the paint.

i would never do it ... it would be like bringing a sword to a gun fight

[PouringPaintOn]

he plays alot better. he says he likes the challange of the pistol and he conserves the paint.

i would never do it ... it would be like bringing a sword to a gun fight

That's what I'm saying. He might be a badass with the pistol, but I mean if he's the last guy in and there is 4 guys with angels on the other team that puts the odds significantly in the 4 guys favor. Not only cuz it's 4 on 1 but it's 4 Semi's that can shoot 150-200 balls in several seconds and theres a guy with 10 shots and then he's gotta reload again.

I had a palmer's Squall pistol, it was neat and fun playing with it but I soon discovered that it isn't all that it is cracked up to be. I'd play scenarios with one though.

[bos_2005]

1. I just sold my HK'd speed for 950 and it isnt even an 05 speed its an origional speed so yes it will boost your resale.

2. Dont listen to any of these ppl ont he forums they dont know anything about HK 2.0 mods. First off they dont use a dm4 board and the dm4 chips are not compatible w/ the HK 2.0 board. The hostile kidz have their own board w/ their own firmware. I had the very origional HK mod in my speed and upgraded to HK 2.0. Their mods by far surpass anything i have ever shot. They do more than just put a new board in your gun. Oh and the HK 2.0 board is a micoswitch which many ppl like. It is a totaly differant board they do not use anything on the existing 05 speed board.

If anybody else wants to know the reall story behind the HK mods catch me on aim or PM me.