HOLY §§§§! Trigger Adjustments...

[masterdebater]

Just a few minutes ago, I made some adjustments to my trigger. I put it into DEMO mode so I could here the clicking, and so I could adjust the trigger how i please (the faster the clicks the better the adjustment was). Now I know that bounce requires air. But I dont have any air and have never aired my gun up. It is new and has a low battery right now cause I have been walking it A LOT. Also the rubber discs were removed stock.

So, I turned the venier wheels a couple of times. Adjusting the trigger. So I decide that it was going pretty fast and i was in an awkward position. I pulled my fingers off the trigger and it kept clicking for approximately 1 second, + or - 15 miliseconds.

I was shooting pretty fast and was wondering what the hell it was because IT KEEPS DOING IT! And it goes REALLY REALLY fast after I pull my fingers off. I don't know why it keeps going clicking (clicking represents shots that are being fired) after I take my fingers off. Could someone please clarify whether something is wrong with my gun or I have a sick trigger adjustment.

Some one please tell me. :notsure:

[tippmannpain889]

mechanicle bounce

[masterdebater]

mechanicle bounce

... i dont have any air... how do you get mechanical bounce without air

what are all the methods. i searched by the way

[Project X]

You're on demo mode, you get insane bounce with it, just turn it to 1 light for trigger bounce and do it that way, and you will hear 1 click for 1 pull. Also, read your manual/search

[masterdebater]

You're on demo mode, you get insane bounce with it, just turn it to 1 light for trigger bounce and do it that way, and you will hear 1 click for 1 pull. Also, read your manual/search

ok, i turned it to 1 light. it still does it.

[ZoomZoom]

the trigger is over adjusted back it off a bit like i click on the front wheel

[El Pirata]

I know we were talking about magnets last night. Do you have the big magnet in the front or the back?

[tippmannpain889]

wouldnt matter is you had air or not i mean with the magnets setup its bounce between them and setting of the trigger all mechanicle no air needed

[Chief_Shift]

my advice is stop screwing with your marker while it works, and play with it the way it is.

[El Pirata]

wouldnt matter is you had air or not i mean with the magnets setup its bounce between them and setting of the trigger all mechanicle no air neededHowever were you aware that there are 2 different sized magnets for the trigger stock from the factory on the vernier wheels?

[tippmannpain889]

no but would that matter as long as the strentghs of the magnets are alligned up so that they will bounce?

[El Pirata]

The strengths of the magnets are different. The large one is supposed to be in the rear, so I am told, however mine stock out of the box was in the front. With the large magnet in the front the trigger is literally nothing but bounce and it also can be prone to firing when you don't want it to fire. With the large magnet in the rear there is more tension on the pull be getting a faster return. Which is faster? Probably the larger magnet in the front however, like I said before you can have less trigger control. With the larger magnet in the rear it might be a slightly slower pull but has zero potential for accidential bounce and accidental firing.

[masterdebater]

The strengths of the magnets are different. The large one is supposed to be in the rear, so I am told, however mine stock out of the box was in the front. With the large magnet in the front the trigger is literally nothing but bounce and it also can be prone to firing when you don't want it to fire. With the large magnet in the rear there is more tension on the pull be getting a faster return. Which is faster? Probably the larger magnet in the front however, like I said before you can have less trigger control. With the larger magnet in the rear it might be a slightly slower pull but has zero potential for accidential bounce and accidental firing.

omg lol it rips now. thx el

EDIT - §§§§! My big magnet is in the front too stock.

[masterdebater]

this is what i discovered:

1. the front magnet setup pulls up - no matter which vineer wheel is in place

2. the back magnet setup pushes down - no matter which vineer wheel is in place

3. the biggest magnet applies the most force

4. the smaller magnet applies a smaller force

that being said, where is the best place to have force to achieve the most mechanical bounce.?

either A or B

A. largest force in the back pushing down

B. largest force in the front pulling up?

[El Pirata]

Glad it rips now.

[El Pirata]

this is what i discovered:

1. the front magnet setup pulls up - no matter which vineer wheel is in place

2. the back magnet setup pushes down - no matter which vineer wheel is in place

3. the biggest magnet applies the most force

4. the smaller magnet applies a smaller force

that being said, where is the best place to have force to achieve the most mechanical bounce.?

either A or B

A. largest force in the back pushing down

B. largest force in the front pulling up?Now I have not gone out and tested magnets as to their exact function but I am almost certain that the magnets are all positive side in so that they repel each other. The part about this that makes the trigger easier is that for the pull in addition to the force exerted by your finger you are also slightly assisted by the magnets. In the release the trigger the magnets try to center themselves until the trigger hits the forward stop.

If you were to loosen your vernier wheels completely and let the trigger slack, you would find that the trigger would center itself where the forces of the magnets are equal. Another factor of that will be the weight and pivot point of the trigger itself, however the trigger itself will be making no contact with the vernier wheels, theoretically.

[masterdebater]

Now I have not gone out and tested magnets as to their exact function but I am almost certain that the magnets are all positive side in so that they repel each other. The part about this that makes the trigger easier is that for the pull in addition to the force exerted by your finger you are also slightly assisted by the magnets. In the release the trigger the magnets try to center themselves until the trigger hits the forward stop.

If you were to loosen your vernier wheels completely and let the trigger slack, you would find that the trigger would center itself where the forces of the magnets are equal. Another factor of that will be the weight and pivot point of the trigger itself, however the trigger itself will be making no contact with the vernier wheels, theoretically.

no, one side repells, one side attracts.

the front attracts , the back repells. so where should i put the magnets to make it the most bounciest

[El Pirata]

Interesting, maybe a little tinkering time now.

[masterdebater]

Interesting, maybe a little tinkering time now.

so what did you find

you wanted some veineer wheels a while back. what did you want them for?

[masterdebater]

el.... i need some awnsers here

[hughdogg]

you have it on bounce mode

[masterdebater]

alrighty, after a chat with el pirata, we have come to these conclusions:

so if the front magnet set attracts, and the back set repells. to achieve maximum mechanical bounce, you have to flip a magnet so both sides repell.

now we are testing right now, so hold on

[masterdebater]

ok...

question,

does the fron vernier wheel and the front trigger magnet attract or repel

[El Pirata]

alrighty, after a chat with el pirata, we have come to these conclusions:

so if the front magnet set attracts, and the back set repells. to achieve maximum mechanical bounce, you have to flip a magnet so both sides repell.

now we are testing right now, so hold on
Point of parlamentary procedure! I have checked out the magnets extensively. They do in fact repell in my speed. Front/front, front/rear, rear/rear, and rear/front all combos repell as long as the magnets are centered on each other as magnets normally are. While it's possible my trigger could be a lemon here but one thing is for sure, one of our markers is messed up. However, if it ends up being mine I think I will keep it as is since I love the feel as is. Masterbator, if you like the feel of your trigger then leave it as is.

[masterdebater]

Point of parlamentary procedure! I have checked out the magnets extensively. They do in fact repell in my speed. Front/front, front/rear, rear/rear, and rear/front all combos repell as long as the magnets are centered on each other as magnets normally are. While it's possible my trigger could be a lemon here but one thing is for sure, one of our markers is messed up. However, if it ends up being mine I think I will keep it as is since I love the feel as is. Masterbator, if you like the feel of your trigger then leave it as is.

ok... so whos gun is messed up.

is the front set of magnets supposed to repel or attract

[El Pirata]

I think what you are saying is a plead to anyone to either confirm whether the magnets repell or attract.

[jerseyballer15]

whats it matter as long as the gun shoots?

[masterdebater]

whats it matter as long as the gun shoots?

yes, not this... thank you for clarifying el

[El Pirata]

whats it matter as long as the gun shoots?
It does matter if it could be shooting better. It's be like if you bought a brand new car but one of the tires was bald. You'd expect a brand new car to come with brand new tires.

[masterdebater]

It does matter if it could be shooting better. It's be like if you bought a brand new car but one of the tires was bald. You'd expect a brand new car to come with brand new tires.

yup yup, if my gun is fine, i want that magnet flipped over.

[nastylax8]

think of it like this.
On a stock 05 speed the back and front magnets both attract. SO when you pull the trigger the back magnet pulls it back to assist in the pull. THe front magnet is bigger so when you let go the trigger snaps back. THe vernier wheels adjust how much power the magnets have ( i think. but it doesnt matter anyway). So in theory if you put the big magnet in back the trigger will snap more when you shoot the best way to get mechanical bounce would probably be to remove the back magnet.That way when you release the trigger it snaps back really fast

[pballer2]

you would have no trigger comeback then

[nastylax8]

wrong. YOu would have tons of trigger come back. If you remove the back magnet then nothing stops the front magnet from whipping the trigger back insanely fast. THe only drawback would be that the pull would be slightly harder and you could probably remedy this a little by removing the rubber washers.

[masterdebater]

hehehe, so el ur gun is screwed up, but thats good for you. damnit

i want to flip the magnet. i dont know how to pull it outta there tho, pliers seems it would be dfficult.

[nastylax8]

steam and a neodymium(i dont know if that is how it is spelled) magnet. I took off my trigger and put it next to the steam. The steam heated up the plastic and then i put the neodymium magnet next to the othet magnet and it popped right out

[masterdebater]

steam and a neodymium(i dont know if that is how it is spelled) magnet. I took off my trigger and put it next to the steam. The steam heated up the plastic and then i put the neodymium magnet next to the othet magnet and it popped right out

you mean you flipped the magnet? wo, how you do it? i dont understand ur method.

[nastylax8]

i didnt flip it, i took it out. Although flipping it would result in even more bounce but the trigger pull would be hard.
I did it to an 05 speed trigger. I suggest not doing it because there is a chance you could break you trigger.
I took the trigger and put the top of it next to a home steam machine (used for clothing) this made the plastic more workable. Then i touched the top of the magnet with an ice cube to get molecules tighter packed(make it smaller) Then i put the neodymium magnet next to it and it popped out.

[nastylax8]

neodymium is an insanely strong magnet. In our school science lab the keep this one neodymium magnet (about 1cm x 1cm x 1cm square) in a block of styrofoam with a hole for the magnet to keep it from screwing up instruments in the lab.

[masterdebater]

i didnt flip it, i took it out. Although flipping it would result in even more bounce but the trigger pull would be hard.
I did it to an 05 speed trigger. I suggest not doing it because there is a chance you could break you trigger.
I took the trigger and put the top of it next to a home steam machine (used for clothing) this made the plastic more workable. Then i touched the top of the magnet with an ice cube to get molecules tighter packed(make it smaller) Then i put the neodymium magnet next to it and it popped out.

nice, but where do you get neodyum

[nastylax8]

not sure. My science teacher lent me it. I told him my theory of how i was gonna get the trigger to work(he plays paintball) and he told me to try it. You might be able to find it on ebay or some kind of science site

[masterdebater]

not sure. My science teacher lent me it. I told him my theory of how i was gonna get the trigger to work(he plays paintball) and he told me to try it. You might be able to find it on ebay or some kind of science site

aw sick, a teacher who plays paintball

[nastylax8]

we have a 3 who do. my math teacher wanted to start a paintball club (we would meet during "break" and go to SC village every month.break is like a 25 min break in between 2nd and 3rd period. I use break to have breakfast.

[masterdebater]

how would you break the trigger tho? and what plastic were you heating?

[nastylax8]

the trigger can become slightly mishaped and rub against the frame . I was heating the are surrounding the trigger. I would suggest that you go buy another 05 speed trigger from FMA.com to experiment on.(if you have the money)

[El Pirata]

think of it like this.
On a stock 05 speed the back and front magnets both attract. SO when you pull the trigger the back magnet pulls it back to assist in the pull. THe front magnet is bigger so when you let go the trigger snaps back. THe vernier wheels adjust how much power the magnets have ( i think. but it doesnt matter anyway). So in theory if you put the big magnet in back the trigger will snap more when you shoot the best way to get mechanical bounce would probably be to remove the back magnet.That way when you release the trigger it snaps back really fast
While all of that makes sense the one part that does not make sense is that if the magnets are attracting to each other then it's possible that eventually either the magnets are going to pop out of their mounts or they are going to cause the trigger to stick in the back position. If they are attracting they the front magnet is at it's weakest at the rear of the pull while the rear is at it's strongest. Since there is nothing hilding either magnet in place aside from pressure there are more forces pulling the magnets to come out of their pressed fittings, probably the vernier wheels will be the ones to give and release a magnet.

By having the magnets repelling each other their natural magnetism is causing the magnets to stay in place. At the rear of the pull the magnet is repelling itself forward until either the trigger stops going fordard due to the trigger stops or the force of the front magnet equalizes the force of the rear magnet.

I took off my trigger and vernier wheels and all of them are set to repel each other. While it's possible the trigger setup in my speed it incorrect logic says the repelling is more useful than attraction.

[masterdebater]

how long did you put it under steam for?

[El Pirata]

Grab one of your vernier wheels and put it in hot water for a few minutes and then use a dental pick to remove the magnet.

[masterdebater]

Grab one of your vernier wheels and put it in hot water for a few minutes and then use a dental pick to remove the magnet.

damnit el, im NOT A DENTIST I DONT HAVE A DENATL PRICK! ahhh.

http://angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=37559

[El Pirata]

You can either borrow one the next time you are ina dentist's office or buy a set of picks from your local hardware store.

[masterdebater]

You can either borrow one the next time you are ina dentist's office or buy a set of picks from your local hardware store.

hardware store lol

[ZoomZoom]

yes mini picks you can get them at the hardware store

[masterdebater]

yes mini picks you can get them at the hardware store

oh, i didnt know that. thx

[masterdebater]

oh, i didnt know that. thx

i think ill use natsylix8 or what ever his name is method. i dont know how to make steam tho.

:cheers:

[nastylax8]

el's way and mine use the same principal cept he uses a dental pick and i use another powerful magnet. HOt water works instead of steam and dental pciks are easier to get a hold of than a neodymium magnet

[maybachgt]

if you reverse the magnet you could sorta make a response trigger

[nastylax8]

ya kinda, but the response trigs on emags actualy use gas to push the trig back

[masterdebater]

that would be SICK

[maybachgt]

but would it be legal?

[masterdebater]

but would it be legal?

of course not

[nastylax8]

i met a guy that relaxed his trigger finger just enough so that he could pull back the trig on his emag and when it shot it pushed his finger back and he could shoot insanely fast like that

[masterdebater]

i met a guy that relaxed his trigger finger just enough so that he could pull back the trig on his emag and when it shot it pushed his finger back and he could shoot insanely fast like that

lmao, same here wit teh magnets if you set it up rite. youll push the trigger a couple of times, and it should continue firing, but youd have to give it a boost. that would be good for people who have SLOW fingers like me

[nastylax8]

just keep practicing and your fingers will get better.

[masterdebater]

just keep practicing and your fingers will get better.

hahaha, i dont know how many times ive heard that now, but it still dont work for me. ive been walking my angel for days now and no changes for me. my fingers are sticky

[nastylax8]

hold a rubber band with one finger on your opposite had and walk it with your fingers and they get stronger

[masterdebater]

hold a rubber band with one finger on your opposite had and walk it with your fingers and they get stronger

ahhh. thanks for the help.

[masterdebater]

now i have to go find a rubber band or buy one lmao...

[El Pirata]

hold a rubber band with one finger on your opposite had and walk it with your fingers and they get strongerCan you explain that a bit better, you lost me completely.

[maybachgt]

that works to

[nastylax8]

i am sure you have one or two sitting underneath the cushions of a couch

[maybachgt]

ok first put a rubber band over you tumb and then stretch it backs (as to shoot it at someone) then walk the over end

[masterdebater]

i am sure you have one or two sitting underneath the cushions of a couch

nope. ill find one at school tomorrow thanks.

[masterdebater]

now back on topic

[El Pirata]

The answer...
http://www.angel-owners.com/showpost.php?p=346719&postcount=45