oil/bolt and Maintanence of 05 speed

[Blackops_80]

If you shouldn't put oil on your bolt then what is the love juice for. Also what is the proper way to maintanence my gun b/c the manual realy doesn't explain. Thanks.

[ZoomZoom]

ok you realy need to search this stuff first before posting

but if you would have searched this it would have told you no oil on bolt and to use the love juice every few cases and a full grease about every 10 cases or so

love juice goes in the asa or macro line

[El Pirata]

In all honesty, when adding a few drops into the macro line you should fire your marker about 20 times to make sure the oil penetrates and coats the internal surfaces. Another note, you might want to remove your bolt when doing this to minimize the chance of getting oil on your bolt.

[ZoomZoom]

In all honesty, when adding a few drops into the macro line you should fire your marker about 20 times to make sure the oil penetrates and coats the internal surfaces. Another note, you might want to remove your bolt when doing this to minimize the chance of getting oil on your bolt.
good advice el

[Neo]

ok you realy need to search this stuff first before posting

but if you would have searched this it would have told you no oil on bolt and to use the love juice every few cases and a full grease about every 10 cases or so

love juice goes in the asa or macro line

im curious, where can i get some grease? cuz im at about 12 cases now

[ZoomZoom]

the cheapest place ive found it is actionvillage

[Bigal1]

go to your local paintball store for the grease.

the love juice goes in the macro line.

grease goes on the moving parts internals to the gun.


there's a great sticky around here on disassembly of the major components.

[ZoomZoom]

No Grease On The Bolt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bigal1]

No Grease On The Bolt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct.

thought that was implied but good point. nuttin on the bolt.

[Blackops_80]

what will oil on bolt do?

[Bigal1]

makes the bolt swell. then it starts to rub. then it starts to scratch.

I oiled mine once. it scratched a little but I'm still using it and it seems to work fine. I don't do it anymore.

[SlasherXII]

It will absorb the oil resulting in the bolt expanding. Some people call it Stuck Bolt. :drink:

[ZoomZoom]

what will oil on bolt do?
see good thing i posted that........now Blackops_80 will never have that problem, good job for asking the question Blackops_80

[El Pirata]

It will absorb the oil resulting in the bolt expanding. Some people call it Stuck Bolt. :drink:Others call it a big freaking problem.

[maybachgt]

Delrin is an absorbant plastic that is why it can by dyed but oil lube grease ect will mess it up bad

[nastylax8]

reaqlly bad

[maybachgt]

are there any good aftermarket bolts for speeds

[ZoomZoom]

IMO the best aftermarket bolt for the speed is the cobra V2.0 or some thing like that im running one

[nastylax8]

is there any big difference between the regual speed bolt and the cobra one? i am looking in to buying a few various upgrades and was looking at the cobra bolt, thatnks

[ZoomZoom]

the cobra bolt is more efficient and it might even alow the gun to cycle a bit faster

[Peter314]

I think the bolt is plastic not delrin. If it's plastic you can oil it.

[Neo]

I think the bolt is plastic not delrin. If it's plastic you can oil it.

the bolt is delrin

[El Pirata]

are there any good aftermarket bolts for speedsThe best is the DEZign bolt. While the price is higher than most bolts it is worth every penny. Ask anyone who has ever owned one.

[Morginie]

K I used to own a tippmann A-5 so I don't know much in the maintenance department.

Okay with my A-5 I would a few drops of oil where the tank screws in.

People keep on saying to oil up your angel you should put oil in the macroline. So I just tip my angel upside down put some oil where the tank screws in, then screw in the tank and dry fire it?? Or do I have to take my macroline out of the mini-reg?
PS: To clean off my bolt all I do is take it out and clean it off with a dry cloth?
Thanks in advance

[El Pirata]

K I used to own a tippmann A-5 so I don't know much in the maintenance department.

Okay with my A-5 I would a few drops of oil where the tank screws in.

People keep on saying to oil up your angel you should put oil in the macroline. So I just tip my angel upside down put some oil where the tank screws in, then screw in the tank and dry fire it?? Or do I have to take my macroline out of the mini-reg?
PS: To clean off my bolt all I do is take it out and clean it off with a dry cloth?
Thanks in advanceYou can add oil wherre the tank screws in. The bolt is cleaned by just wiping down.

[maybachgt]

I wouldn't oil the macro line it might come out

[ZoomZoom]

I wouldn't oil the macro line it might come out
you dont oil the out side of the line you put the oil inside the line air up the gun and dry fire it 20 to 30 times

[Starvok]

the cobra bolt is more efficient and it might even alow the gun to cycle a bit faster
Where can I pick up a cobra bolt from?

[El Pirata]

Cobra paintball - http://www.cobrapaintball.com/

Personally I prefer a DEZign bolt and I have found better efficiency than cobra - http://www.geocities.com/dezignbolts/

Here's a thread that puts most of the bolts on the chrono in comparison - http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=3122

[Neo]

Cobra paintball - http://www.cobrapaintball.com/

Personally I prefer a DEZign bolt and I have found better efficiency than cobra - http://www.geocities.com/dezignbolts/

Here's a thread that puts most of the bolts on the chrono in comparison - http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=3122

very helpful link for the bolt efficiency ive never seen that thread before

[El Pirata]

The thread is way old. I remember when they did it but was not surprised about the results. Like I said, the DEZign bolt (not to be confused with New Dezigns who I personally think took the DEZ name to confuse people) is the best I have used over the past 18 years of paintball. The price is higher than most but it still is the best.

[DEZ]

The DEZign bolt...or its internal design was awarded a U.S. patent in june 2003. it was also reviewed by a 20 year NASA Engineer. :cheers: :cheers:

[Infuse05]

hello just bought my angel 05 speed and i went str8 to play Xball with some teams and i dove head on to a pile of sand and there was sand all over my gun i cleaned it but i guess i missed some and my bolt and my internals got a scratched, does the bolts u guys are talking about will fit the 05 speed just fine???

[ZoomZoom]

yes that bolt is made for the 05 speed

[Infuse05]

1 more question is there a way for the bolt to damage the eye cause most of my scratches are right where the eye is at im afraid i messed it up

[ZoomZoom]

well when there is a paintball in the breach does the eyes read it or does it not

or does the eyes always read there is paint there even when theres not

[Infuse05]

it does...........doent it make ur gun slower if u have a damage eye.....question.....is it bad to use some alcohol to clean the eyes

[Twisted Death]

ok I have a serious problem. I am the biggest freaking idiot alive.

I was cleaning my new angel (1 day new) and I have always heard that you should never put oil on ur bolt. but since I never had an angel then i didn't think much of it. anyways, I put love juice on my bolt and rubbed it around it with my finger. i was then like §§§§! why the hell did I do that? so I got a paper napkin and cleaned it dry. i wasn't sure if i could use just love juice or if I couldn't use any oil. the thing that confused me the most was why the hell did they throw the love juice in if u can't use it on ur bolt? anyways, after reading this thread, I now know, for the macroline.

anyways my big question is am I screwed? is my bolt gonna be all messed even though I cleaned it off right away? I really hope not and if it does start to §§§§ up then how much is a new one? just the stock one? and can you even get one?

Please post fast...
Thanks in advance for the help.

[PouringPaintOn]

ok I have a serious problem. I am the biggest freaking idiot alive.

I was cleaning my new angel (1 day new) and I have always heard that you should never put oil on ur bolt. but since I never had an angel then i didn't think much of it. anyways, I put love juice on my bolt and rubbed it around it with my finger. i was then like §§§§! why the hell did I do that? so I got a paper napkin and cleaned it dry. i wasn't sure if i could use just love juice or if I couldn't use any oil. the thing that confused me the most was why the hell did they throw the love juice in if u can't use it on ur bolt? anyways, after reading this thread, I now know, for the macroline.

anyways my big question is am I screwed? is my bolt gonna be all messed even though I cleaned it off right away? I really hope not and if it does start to §§§§ up then how much is a new one? just the stock one? and can you even get one?

Please post fast...
Thanks in advance for the help.

I think you're ok ...if you let it dry out it should be good.

[aznazsnipr]

Hello guys.. just bought a speed not too long ago and stumbbled across this site... some one in the first page mentioned putting the love juice into the macroline and dry firing to get the oil throughout the internals... then they mentioned leaving the bolt out to not get oil on the bolt?? Dry firing the gun without the bolt in place is ok?? thanks again

[DEZ]

wash the bolt with soap and water to get the oil off or any paint residue.. Ive found that leaving paint on the bolt during storage can cause the delrin material to swell also.

[ZoomZoom]

Hello guys.. just bought a speed not too long ago and stumbbled across this site... some one in the first page mentioned putting the love juice into the macroline and dry firing to get the oil throughout the internals... then they mentioned leaving the bolt out to not get oil on the bolt?? Dry firing the gun without the bolt in place is ok?? thanks again
yes its ok just dont forget to put you bolt back in before useing it :stooges:

[El Pirata]

yes its ok just dont forget to put you bolt back in before useing it :stooges:Maybe I need to tie a string around my finger to remember that one, I've forgotten that one a time or 2 dozen. Of course, I found out about it the hard way avery time.

[Twisted Death]

wash the bolt with soap and water to get the oil off or any paint residue.. Ive found that leaving paint on the bolt during storage can cause the delrin material to swell also.
it's been a day since it happened. is there still any point in washing my bolt off with soap? or is it too late? plz reply back. thanks.

[Studmuffin]

i didn't think you were suppose to run water over them for the same reason of not putting oil on them...am i wrong because i have been told not to do so.

[Twisted Death]

i didn't think you were suppose to run water over them for the same reason of not putting oil on them...am i wrong because i have been told not to do so.
yea i would have to agree. running water on them doesn't sound like a good idea. or with soap. i've been told by an unofficial tech not to so i wouldn't. by unooficial i mean hes good enough to be a tech but he isnt..

[Snowfire]

well wut if u need to clean ur bolt off u gotta use water.

[Twisted Death]

well wut if u need to clean ur bolt off u gotta use water.

just take a paper napkin and wipe it off. i dunno...you can use water as long as you wipe the bolt off right away after. and if you can't get inside I would let it dry out before you put it back in the gun. i don't know if letting it dry to the delrin is bad for it. i don't think so though.

[LessThanUsual]

Guys,

Regarding the delrin and water, Dupont, the company which first produced delrin, states in their MSDS information that delrin is insoluble with water.

In plain english, water won't hurt your bolt.

[Twisted Death]

haha thanks dude. :cheers:

[TommyThunder]

I just got my gun 2 days ago, should I wipe down the bolt and internals? Then oil the macro, dryfire, and be done with it?

[Twisted Death]

yes u should. i only oil after roughly 20,000 shots. i wipe down the internals after every day of firing. no matter whether i shoot 1 ball, or 10,000. DO NOT PUT OIL ON THE BOLT. ur right, only oil the macro, dryfire, and ur done.

[El Pirata]

Water is not going to hurt your delrin bolt. The only possible exception is using hot water might cause it to swell so it did not fit into your breech, until it cools down and contracts back to normal size.

[Twisted Death]

ok sweet. thanks!

[Okto]

this may sound silly, but in my 2 years of paintball i have not once taken the macro like out of the reg... how do I go about this withought destroying my reg?

[Bigal1]

use some regular pliers and place them perpendicular to the macroline and up against the fitting on the minireg. now use your fingers to depress against the pliers and that will force the fitting "in". Once you've pushed in on the fitting, either use your second hand or get a friend to pull the macroline out of the fitting.

[El Pirata]

You can also replace the pliers witha cresent wrench and do the same thing if you don't have a pair of pliers.

[Okto]

ok thanks. i just finished lubing it up, fired about 20-30 times.

[Twisted Death]

was she running beautifully like an '05 speed should be?

[TommyThunder]

The gun seems to come w/ grease on it from the factory. Should I just wipe all that off?

[Twisted Death]

nah i wouldn't. i would re-grease after 20,000 shots fired though. that's what the manual says. I wouldn't wipe it off, you would only have to regrease it again, what's the point?

[454casull]

You only wipe old grease off when it is time to regrease. 20,000 cycles pull ram out, wipe old grease off, put new grease on, reinstall.

:stooges: :patriot:

[Twisted Death]

exactly. couldn't have said it better myself.

[DYNASTYfan012]

would u be able to use any grease u wanted on the moving parts like shocker lube/grease or a certain grease on the speed

[Koolborderxtrme]

how much pimp juice would you all suggest to drop in the asa when lubing? about half a teaspoon?

[Twisted Death]

how much pimp juice would you all suggest to drop in the asa when lubing? about half a teaspoon?

um....I don't really know how much half a teaspoon is. But I just put what I feel is necassary. Come to think of it, I usually put 3-4 drops in. Like decent size drops. I think half a teaspoon is pushing it a little though, especially for the ASA. :notsure:

would u be able to use any grease u wanted on the moving parts like shocker lube/grease or a certain grease on the speed

I am pretty sure you can use any grease. grease is grease right? I only use the angel grease because that's what came with my speed when I got it. when that's up, I will probably use some cheap grease.

I think the only reason that Angel likes to make-out that their grease is the only grease you should use is because they want to make money! :thumbsdow That's any big company for ya! But yea I bet any grease is OK. I'm not going to say i'm 100% sure only because I have been wrong in things like these before and I don't wanna be held accountable...but let's put it this way, you have my word that if I was to be in your situation, I would use any old grease on my beloved and beautiful baby... :tongue:

Maybe somebody else could clarify for sure?

[LayinRocker]

OK here is the mantenence broken down into easy to understand way.

You only need a couple of drops of oil in the asa after every couple of cases of paint, take your bolt out, dryfire 20+ times replace bolt, and you are done. Grease the internals about every 8-10 cases of paint, and reinstall. Probably wouldnt hurt to dryfire to get the grease properly distributed. It would probably be a good idea to clean out and relube the mini-reg as well to keep everything running smoothly.

As for the grease, i always use DOW 33. Its really good stuff. A large tube of it is 10 bucks or so but the tube will last forever. Also, its slick. If im going to spend a large chunk of money on a paintball marker, im not going to skimp on the items needed for mantenence.

[El Pirata]

would u be able to use any grease u wanted on the moving parts like shocker lube/grease or a certain grease on the speedAny synthetic, non petrolium based, grease will work. I Dow 33 (shocker grease), shocktech hot butta, love juice, etc... I generally use silicone based lubes from my radio controlled tool box. 10wt shock oil works well for lubing your marker too.

[DYNASTYfan012]

is the guide on how to take out the internals and which ones to grease in the manual?

[Koolborderxtrme]

half a teaspoon is like 4 drops

[Proballa]

So do you only need To extreme grease the RAM and put a couple drops of love juice in the macroline and dryfire WITHOUT the bolt?

[makeshiftballer]

i put some tryflow on my bolt cuz i had it form my alias all it did was make it move smooth as al hell

[RangerJoe]

Is angel grease supposed ot be included with ur gun? cause i never got any grease i got oil. I had to buy grease.. :cry:

[LayinRocker]

Yes its a good idea to dryfire without the bolt in. If the bolt is in, its possible the oil that is being put through the gun will get all over the bolt. BAD.

RangerJoe: My angel didnt come with grease either, it only came with oil. I dont think any of them come with grease too. Its not a big deal though.

[Proballa]

So I can use shocker lube then to do the RAM?

[LayinRocker]

Yes the DOW 33 (shocker lube). Its really good stuff, and a large tube of it will last forever.

[Twisted Death]

If im going to spend a large chunk of money on a paintball marker, im not going to skimp on the items needed for mantenence.
I guess, but when I said "cheap grease" I meant anything cheaper than what Angel unneccassirly sells it for. 50% of what you pay for any angel cleaning item is all name. when i said cheap I meant name-wise, not actual money cheap. I care about my gun too - trust me.

If the bolt is in, its possible the oil that is being put through the gun will get all over the bolt. BAD.
I don't think that's much of a possibility of happening. Besides, like I had posted WAY above in this whole topic, I put a whole bunch of oil on, and then immediately took it off and it was fine! I would dryfire, but probably not 20 times, maybe 5-10. that should be all that's needed. dryfiring without a bolt, especially in an angel, isn't the healthiest thing to do to your gun you know. :ph34r:

half a teaspoon is like 4 drops
heh, my bad. that was right then. hell i dunno what half a teaspoon is!! jeez!

is the guide on how to take out the internals and which ones to grease in the manual?
from what I can remember, it doesn't really tell you step by step on how to actually grease them and what to grease, but it does give you multiple angles of view on all the internal parts being taken out. it's not hard to figure out what to put back in or whatnot. that being sad, if you've never done it before, I wouldn't suggest doing it at home alone or whatever. take it down to your local and just ask the guy (on a quiet day - that would be a tuesday where I live :) ) to do clean it all up in front of you so you can learn what to do. that's what I did! :)

As for the DOW 33 grease, I must try this stuff. I haven't ever used it!

[speed demon 27]

another one of my stupid questions:can i use a smart parts dow corning 33 lube on my angel

[Bigal1]

as long as it doesn't have petroleum in it.

[BigP567]

a question bout lubein the bolt. wat if u just have the soft face bolt. not the delrin one cuz i know ur not supposed to lube delrin ones.

[Shades]

Errr the soft face bolt IS made out of delrin…. :pat:

[BigP567]

then how come it has wear on it. delrin bolts don do that.

[Shades]

Trust me it is and they do.....

[Twisted Death]

yea...believe me and him - they do. don't do it!

[BigP567]

ok i beleive u guys but i have a shock tech superfly bolt for my cocker and it doesnt wear. :notsure:

[vexans]

what about putting grease on the breech walls??

Iput a dab of SK gun butta on the inner walls of the breech walls and ran a squeege with a micro fiber cloth on the end of it, and the inner breech feels very slick and smooth the bolt just glids , I just shoot about 500 ball today and no probs, seemed to shoot a little better, ( but that could just be me, I have a vid of it ripping like no other (after the lube)

[Twisted Death]

ok i beleive u guys but i have a shock tech superfly bolt for my cocker and it doesnt wear. :notsure:

uhh dude the shocktech superfly is delrin aswell. meaning if you take good care of the bolt, it shouldn't ware that much....so what's your point?

[pbshow69]

got my angel shot my 10,000 case today i need to drop 3 drops of love juice in the lil hole were i screw my tnak in and i need to take out the ram and grease the orings right and thats all