RAM & CLICKING: possible alternative to adjusting

[Speedfot]

OK. Just to start I have read all the RAM adjustment links and my goal is to ask if there is more technical way to adjust the ram. So I am sorry in adding another RAM adjustment thread but here it goes any ho ho. Near the bottom of this thread is an idea for adjusting the ram. so please bear through my background info. Thanks

First off I do not think I have a ram adjustment issue but I am due to pull it out and grease it up for the first time and I would like to get it back into the correct location.

Second thing is I was at a field in Maryland (Paintball Sportland) on Sunday and it was about 38-42 degrees outside and we all had problems breaking/ chopping/ smashing/ blending or what ever and these were on various markers: DM4,Angel fly, speed 05 and impulses.

But a person with an 05 said I was not getting the "CLICK" (gassed up of course)! OK this struck curiosity and I examined it after my extensive cleanup operations.

Here is what I noticed.
1. Ungassed the door actually clicks when you open and close it. looks like it bolt pin hits the back of the ram slot.
2. I have the door open before gassing the marker.
3. I gass the marker up.
4. The RAM moves back about 1/32" - 1/16".
5. The door now opens and closes with little or no click.

OK, Now here is my idea for RAM adjustment.
A. The RAM has a slot in it. Right... Right.....
B. The Marker is a highly milled and precise engineered part. Right.... Right....
C. The bolt has a high tolerance right.... right..
D. Can the back edge of the slot (in the RAM) be measured on how far it protrudes past the marker body?

This seems like a person who is deaf could then accurately adjust the marker correctly. No fuss with an audio definision of the famous CLICK or click or CliCK or Klick.

BTW. I also asked in past threads about rollback and if the ram could be adusted by rollback. But I would rather take a pair of calipers and adjust the slot to how far it protrudes past the body.

Thanks everyone

[El Pirata]

I go for more of a feel than a sound. One thing about using measurement, a few thousandths off on the bolt pin, a few on the ram, a few more on the hammer and other variables blow that idea out of the water. Good thought but maybe a better reference point would be needed.

[Speedfot]

Hmmmm.... a feel and/or a sound can be hindered by many things and cause its own errors, examples: by amount of beer consumed or Radio being played loud.
LOL......

I would bet that the tolerances on the marker parts would be more consistant than everyones measurement with respect to sound and feel.

anyone else?

[Speedfot]

BTW.... I wanted the beer drinking smilies instead of the laughing one..... Did not want to slam El Pirata for the response.

:cheers: :drink:

[El Pirata]

It's cool dude. WDP has some very good tolerences, probably the best out of any manufacturer out there, however no manufacturer that I am aware of will use a landmark as a perfect point. They will use landmarks not as a perfect point but a starting point.

Could you imagine WGP saying to turn the coupler on the timing rod 3 full turns then the marker would be perfectly timed? I am willing to bet that people would try that and assume that the air leak they were getting was not from a timing related issue but perhaps a bad o-ring.

Yes, setting it to a perfect click by feel while working at Tappa Kegga Brew Fraternity would probably end up with some errors but I imagine that setting it to a landmark would too.

[Bigal1]

You know, Ken says ram adjustment is not the cause for chops/ball breaks.

[jwcardy]

You know, Ken says ram adjustment is not the cause for chops/ball breaks.

not going against what ken said, but when i adjusted mine, the chopping/ball breaks ceased

[El Pirata]

not going against what ken said, but when i adjusted mine, the chopping/ball breaks ceased
Actually you are going against him.

[Speedfot]

I will measure this proposed distance and report back in later tonight.
I will measure: from the back of the ram slot to the body of the marker (gassed up)
If you have the time please do the same and report in along with good or bad performance.

thanks for your time

[Speedfot]

OK... Did the measurement.


I get

.03"

[ZoomZoom]

this is why you adjust the ram with the gun gassed up and like el said go more fo rthe feel that the sound get a good firm snaping feel and your home and the ram should be adjusted rite

[Speedfot]

this is why you adjust the ram with the gun gassed up and like el said go more fo rthe feel that the sound get a good firm snaping feel and your home and the ram should be adjusted rite

it was gassed up..............

[ZoomZoom]

it was gassed up..............
ok i hear ya well thats strange when i adjust mine gassed up and get a good snap click what ever it just stays that way :notsure:

[Speedfot]

Well, I have not adjusted it yet nor do I think I need to. But I am getting close to that time when I need to pull the ram out and grease it (i have put about 8-10K of paintballs through it) Then I am forced to reinstall and adjust and well..... I am a bit nervous about that and do not want to see a decrease in my markers performance.

click CLICK Klick CliCk lol

[Trigga Nometry]

but when i adjusted mine, the chopping/ball breaks ceased :dito:

[Bigal1]

Well, I have not adjusted it yet nor do I think I need to. But I am getting close to that time when I need to pull the ram out and grease it (i have put about 8-10K of paintballs through it) Then I am forced to reinstall and adjust and well..... I am a bit nervous about that and do not want to see a decrease in my markers performance.

click CLICK Klick CliCk lol
It's not hard. There's some (or at least one) very good sticky around here on how to properly adjust the ram and I used it successfully on two different speed05's.

only problem I have had is that I get the 'click' set like I want it and then later (a few days) I notice it isn't clicking anymore. Can't figure that out but I just go back and adjust it back to where I want it. Works great.

[ZoomZoom]

Well, I have not adjusted it yet nor do I think I need to. But I am getting close to that time when I need to pull the ram out and grease it (i have put about 8-10K of paintballs through it) Then I am forced to reinstall and adjust and well..... I am a bit nervous about that and do not want to see a decrease in my markers performance.

click CLICK Klick CliCk lol
i wouldent be to worried i have adjusted mine 30 to 40 times and it shoots the same every time and ive put over 120 cases through min(i play alot)

[effaah]

not going against what ken said, but when i adjusted mine, the chopping/ball breaks ceased


me too

[Speedfot]

OK I have ajusted the ram but found out something interesting and want to know if others have witnessed this or has this been mentioned in other links?

MY ADJUSTMENT PROCEDURE:
1. Gass the marker
2. Open & close breech to check for the KLiCk.
3. No ClicK
4. Adjust ram (clockwise) until Klick (or as the manual has it. slight resistance when opening breech).
5. I get the click.

I should have a repeatable click everytime I gass up the marker right.........

next I would:
6. Dry fire marker 2-3 times.
7. Recheck for click.
8. WHAT.... NO CLICK.
9. Degass marker. Power down. Regass marker
10. Recheck for click.
11. Still no click
12. Repeat steps 1-11 until I get a repeated click after dry firing and ungassing then regassing gun.

RESULTS.
I had to redue these steps about 14 times to get this click to happen after dry firing and regassing the marker. No joke. I would adjust the ram. get the click. dry fire the marker. degass the gun. regass the gun and the click would go away.

COULD this trick people to think that their ram is backing out?

Now 1 last voodoo observation. If I was barely getting breech resistance when opening and closing, I noticed that I could get greater resistance if I applied pressure on the back of the ram with my finger......... No Sh*t! So I made sure when adjusting the ram I did not apply any pressure onto the ram when turning.

[Trigga Nometry]

I haven't had my click disappear after I make an adjustment. That is weird. Be sure that the bolt pin is clicking on the part of the hammer that is closest to the Ram and not the very front of the hammer.

That is very strange about putting pressure on the back of the Ram and you notice a difference in the click. My experience shows that the Ram is pretty tight in its threads to be easily moved. Then again, I was never looking for it and I never put lots of pressure on the ram while I turn it in.

[Speedfot]

I do get a continues click now, but it seemed that I needed to dry fire it a couple of times and recheck/readjust. Or after dry firing it, the ram actually would adjust into a different location than when you initially gass it up.

Too answer your question, the bolt pin is hitting the ram in the back of the slot not the front.

The pressure thing on the ram was very strange and if I put pressure on it, then it would stay in that possition. sort of the same thing if you back out the ram when gassed and it wouldn't be a good adjustment. I just made sure that my O ring tool just turned the ram w/o putting inward pressure on it. I would then ungass/regass the gun 3 times and check for repeatable clicking.

[Bigal1]

I have experienced the same problem. Ive got two speed05's in the family and experienced the same thing with both... adjust to click and then later click is not present. Can't explain it.

Think some people here speculated that the ram was somehow 'backing' out and talked about putting orings behind the ram (I guess such that they pressed up against the backplate and kept the ram from moving backward). Also pretty sure I saw a thread here where Ken said that doesn't happen so o-rings are a waste of time.

In any event, I can say that I know mine isn't backing out because I took the backplate off and looked at it and it hadn't moved.

Advice is to adjust it as required to get the click just right and do it again when necessary.

[Speedfot]

I have experienced the same problem. Ive got two speed05's in the family and experienced the same thing with both... adjust to click and then later click is not present. Can't explain it.

Think some people here speculated that the ram was somehow 'backing' out and talked about putting orings behind the ram (I guess such that they pressed up against the backplate and kept the ram from moving backward). Also pretty sure I saw a thread here where Ken said that doesn't happen so o-rings are a waste of time.

In any event, I can say that I know mine isn't backing out because I took the backplate off and looked at it and it hadn't moved.

Advice is to adjust it as required to get the click just right and do it again when necessary.

I had the same problem. That is why I did the dry fire. Ungas. Regas. Check Ram. Adjust.

Eventually after doing this LOOP 14 times I can say that I get the click over and over again. No perception of the RAM backing out. Perhaps people think the ram isbacking out but if they do this rechecking LOOP maybe the backing out perception is defunked...

[Bigal1]

We used to have an old LCD around here and you could adjust the ram and get it 'right' and stick your finger or a blunt object down onto the ram and the ram would slide back and forth a tudge which would explain it not clicking anymore.

But, the ram for the speed05 is different as there's no moving parts that I have found.

[ZoomZoom]

if your click goes away your almost there you just need to adjust the ram a bit farther

[Tantrum840]

my ram was backing out just a little bit but enough for the click to go away so i put some blue loc tite on with the o ring in the back and it hasnt done it yet

[El Pirata]

Not disputing your thought but I always prefered a drop of blue locktite on the threads of the ram right before I screw it in and adjust the click.

[ZoomZoom]

i dont have a ram backing ou problem but if i did i would use some blue loc tite