hammer hitting valve housing

[corrupt123]

i think my hammer is hitting my valve housing. the hammer cap (metal part) and hammer are both fully screwed on.

anything i should try?

[El Pirata]

What leads you to believe your hammer is hitting the valve? It could be that the valve pin is bottoming out instead.

[corrupt123]

i used an allen key and pressed the valve in as far as i could, it got flush with the lip of the valve housing that sticks out.

i than put a small dab of grease on the valve housing, the flat bart closer to the front (behind the lip) and removed the valve so the hammer could cycle all the way. using an allenkey i pushed the hammer forward and back, and grease was smeared all over the hammer and valve housing.

[El Pirata]

Sorry about my previous comment, I was nto even thinking. I was thinking you were saying your ram was not going far enough forward instead of striking the valve. If it was not hitting like this prior to the instalation of the evolve hammer then put the stainless stock one back on and see if it still hits. If it does not hit then the problem is isolated into the evolve hammer. If it does hit then the problem is isolated into your ram.

[peegee]

Just make sure that you have the right hammer for your kit (ie not got a long speed hammer in an a4 onwards)
peegee

[corrupt123]

hammers are both exactly the same size, just pulled out the ram and checked.

apon further inspection, i extended my ram fully and held it beside my gun. wit hwat appeared to be the end of the hammer flush with the housing, i had the threads on the back of the ram further back than the backplate... seems thew ram-stroke is too long?
can anyone check their ram and see if its the same? i doubt that i randomly got a ram thats 3/8" too long ?

apon even further inspoection, i can only get the ram in and screw on about 2 threads (if even that many) before the hammer makes contact :(

*edit*

heres specs of my ram takes with a vernier caliper, if you have access to one, please help me out and check them aganst yours, and if possible, post yours aswell. this is w/ th enewton hammer installed, and doesnt include the plastic bumper anywhere except in overall length in which ram is unextended. all measurementsd are end to end.

hammer length = 1.062"
ram housing length (blue part) = 2.150"
ram, arm, and hammer length (extended fully) = 4.375"
ram, arm, and hammer length (unextended) = 3.250"

and just for kicks, length form back of body (behind backplate) to vlave housing (back part behind lip) = 4.290"

am i SOL ?

[sharps990]

what gun are you running it on b/c on older moddle guns, i belive original speeds, the hammer that they use to open the valve is much longer than the ones on the current generation guns

if you have anything besides an original speed you should check and see if your hammer lengths line up, if not and the red newton one is longer you accidently got a order edition hammer

sharps

[El Pirata]

What about the depth of the hole in the hammer where it hits the valve pin? Is the hole on the evolve deeper than the stock hole?

[corrupt123]

the depth of my evolve hammer between the valve stem detended area and the outer lip - 0.020 "

depth of the above, but the stock hammer - 0.019 "

so theres a bit of a differe,ce, vary minute, but there. still, it's not enough to cause my hammer to hit the housing. aswell, even if it was different drastcially, my ram stroke is too long, so the inside would just hit rather than the outside.

and sharps, as i've stated, i am shooting an 04 angel fly. i am shooting an evolve kit with an angel 4, 05 speed, or angel fly style hammer, and the new evolve hammer does match exactly (within 0.010") to the specs of my old stock SS one.

[DrKillgore]

was your stock hammer hitting the valve housing? if so, it might be something to email wdp about

[El Pirata]

was your stock hammer hitting the valve housing? if so, it might be something to email wdp aboutDefinately. I hate to say it but if the hammers are the same length then it's almost certainly got to be your ram length. There is one other factor that it could possibly be and that is that a high lpr pressure might be causing it to overextend it's stroke distance.

[corrupt123]

well, im setting up the LPR and everything saturday. i doubt pressure has to do with the actual length of the stroke, unless somehow a low dwell time will have the ram retracting before it can fully extend.

and as i mentioned, i doubt that i got a hammer thans 1/4 inch too long for some weird reason

e-mailed wdp, we'll see.

[djroot2]

could it be the valve length or position?

[El Pirata]

Possible but unlikely. If the valve was not seated correctly the air passages would not line up. If the valve was too big then the same holds true too.

[corrupt123]

it's not the valve. it's the area behind
open up your breech and take a look. there is the valve stem, fallow that forwards (towards feedneck/barrel) and there is a lip that comes from the housing, wraps around the valve stem. than falow the lip some more, and it turns 90* to the walls of the tube, the actual body. it is hitting this peice, the vary last part.

im actually thinking it's like thisd on all angels, and rather than lower op pressure lowering kick due to pressure, it lowers kick due to less pressure hitting the rest of the gun. please, if you've got a minut, a toothpick and a dab of grease, humor me. unscrew the volly, take out the valve, put a dab of grease on the valve housing wall (not the lip that comes around the valve stem) the part you can see from the groove in the under breech block, further back. should be facing directly up (and all around as it's curcular) best description is that it looks kinda like a shim... atleast, sits in the same way the part i mean. anyways, put a SMALL dab of grease on it, and slide your hammer forward with an allen key (ensure guns degassed) make sure it's slid all the way forward, and slide back. tell me if theres grease all over your hammer.

or if you're lazier and have good ears, do the above but a little faster and w/o grease, tell me if u can hear a little tap. make sure you're not hearing the ram, but the hammer.

thank you everyone