Still getting kick...

[tgaffner]

I am still getting a substantial amount of kick with my 05 Speed with the following settings:

LPR- 42 PSI
Dwell- 7 (First light)
Reg Out-Put: 260 PSI

One of my questions is, what are your settings?

Also, what paint and what bore are you using?

[Trigga Nometry]

Working on this definition of where an Angel's kick comes from (yeah, you probably already know this but maybe this will help someone out there who does not so bare with me):

Now, the kick is mostly forward on an Angel, so where does the kick really come from?

This is how an Angel works:

For each shot the hammer/ram/bolt assembly cycles forward and this total mass (Hammer + ram shaft + bolt) strikes the valve open. The force needed to open the valve for enough gas to escape to propel the paintball at full 300 fps is directly affected by the pressure behind the valve (which holds it closed just like the water does when a full bathtub resists you pulling the plug) and the valve spring (mostly keeps the valve stem in place so the gun won't leak and also gives a certain control/consistency to the valve opening and closing).

There are two types of kick you feel on an Angel. One is the minor kick transferred from when the valve stem is struck to allow the valve to open, and one is when or if the hammer unnecessarily strikes the valve body itself, which can be avoided through proper tuning of the gun pressures. Let's disregard the second one since it can be removed by tuning regardless of what pressure the gun is set at. What we have left is the kick caused by the hammer striking the valve open. Lessen the required opening force by having a lower pressure behind the valve and possibly a ligher valve spring and you will be able to use less force in the ram cycling and get get less kick.

Since the kit is lessening the mass and pressure required to open the valve (and we can see that by looking at your operating conditions too, they look great), could it be that your hammer is either (1) smacking into the valve or (2) the Newton valve is hitting the adjuster screw?

#1 can be addressed by making sure the hammer is screwed all the way onto the ram shaft. If it is not, it could be too forward and hitting the valve too hard. It also could be that your metal part of the Newton hammer has come loose. Mine was very loose and was easily removed off the red plastic by me simply turning it off its threads. So I used some crazy glue and put it back on to make sure it would not come loose again. I figure that if that part was loose it could cause the hammer's head to be too forward.

#2 can be addressed by the adjuster screw you're using. If I remember correctly, you are using the fine adjuster screw. That screw is actually longer than the other adjuster screw. Look closely at it because you'll see that there is the possibility that the Newton Valve could be hitting the screw by depressing the spring in all the way and stopping when it hits the screw.

I'm not sure if any of the above helps but if might be worth checking out. Keep us posted.

I am running at 270psi, 8 Dwell, and 60psi LPR pressure. The only thing I notice is the barrel rise.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I am using the fine adjuster screw too.

[Arctic_Wombats]

The kick comes from mostly the hammer, but you should be able to drop your output to around 200psi. You could get a lighter hammer if possible not sure with speeds. I have a TI hammer in my led and it kicks way less than the brass

[Trigga Nometry]

The kick comes from mostly the hammer, but you should be able to drop your output to around 200psi. You could get a lighter hammer if possible not sure with speeds. I have a TI hammer in my led and it kicks way less than the brassRight now he's got a hammer that is just about 1/2 plastic and is SUPER light. That is one of the beauties of the Evolve Kit.

Good idea, but in this case, I don't think it's the hammer.

[tgaffner]

I never thought that the adjuster screw being in too far, or their hammer comming aprt... Good thinking!!

I'll check everything out and I'll post again later on!

[tgaffner]

Just checked the hammer and it was loose. Not off, but loose...

I put some blue Loc-Tite on it.

Also I tried pushing the Valve Pin in, and it only went in about 1/2 way. The Volumizer would end the Valve Pin travel by 1/8 inch...

[tgaffner]

Alright,

LPR- 48 PSI
Dwell- 8
Reg- 260 ish PSI
Screw- Regular

Works perfect!!

[Trigga Nometry]

Works perfect!!Awesome! I'm glad it worked for ya. :drink:

[fueks]

adjuster screw for what

[El Pirata]

The volumizer vor the valve has an adjustor screw built in.