Did Evolve shorten the volumizer?

[Trigga Nometry]

Anyone see these latest pics off of Evolve's site (http://www.evolvepaintball.com/other.php)? The volumizer looks a lot shorter, no?
http://www.evolvepaintball.com/images/other/newton1.jpg http://www.evolvepaintball.com/images/other/newton2.jpg

Is that just because they are now showing the kit installed on a fly?

[Furby]

That is quite a bit shorter...

[Chris777]

Yep. The new version will have shorter volumisers, to get rid of the Madonna look. It will also have a totally delrin hammer, and a moulded cup seal.

With making everthing smaller we have reduced the mass that has to be moved so we can get away with a totally delrin hammer, so reducing the kick a little more.

[Furby]

I always dug the Madonna look myself, but to each their own. Can't wait until the new cup seals arrive!

[DarkRipper]

What's the situation with people with older kits? How much to update to the newer version?

DR

[Chris777]

Havnt yet worked it out but it will be heavily discounted. If we can tie it in with the cup seal replacement then we can kill two birds with one paintball - so to speak.

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

since the volumiser would be smaller would it affect the recharge rate?

[DarkRipper]

Havnt yet worked it out but it will be heavily discounted. If we can tie it in with the cup seal replacement then we can kill two birds with one paintball - so to speak.


Outstanding... would you require the old parts returned?

[Chris777]

No, the recharge rate is the same, theres a 6mm hole through the centre of that thing which is more than enough flow.

What will limit the recharge rate is the minireg. We are currently testing different miniregs because it seems to us that the valve may be outperforming the standard minireg and causing shootdown. If the newton is calling for air before the minireg has recharged then that will cause shootdown, and since people did not have shootdown before they fitted the Newton they quite reasonably blame the Newton.

We expected to have to make adjustments to the set up of the kit, but all our test suggest that reducing the volume has not made a material diffrence.

[Chris777]

No. People can keep the long ones.
Save it, it may be a collectors peice in 10 yrs time.

[Trigga Nometry]

Thanks for the updates Chris. We look forward to the new parts.

[P8ntSlinger44]

The longer one would allow lower presure correct? So why not keep it. Personally I think the update should be sent to current owners free of charge. :evilgrin:

[DarkRipper]

I'm going to replace my minireg with a short sidewinder and see if that helps with my inconsistency (really the only complaint I have, and it was inconsistent before the evolve went on)...

I still haven't had a broken cup seal (knock on wood) but I'm imagining that it'll happen sooner rather than later. I've only put a case through the marker since the evolve went on.

DR

[DrKillgore]

ugg, i want the smaller pieces, i payed good money to basicly be a beta tester :cryer: i should have waited :sure:

[Chris777]

The lower pressure is not really an issue. What we are talking about is only the look - not the performance.

We will make the price on the upgrade as cheap as possible - honest.

And today after thinking about it we have decided to launch a basic version that does not have the adjustable LPR cap. It should be up on the site some time in the next couple of days.

The retail will be around $99, so that should make it more affordable. What we will able to upgrade people for has yet to be agreed but we will do our best.

[DarkRipper]

Will we be able to keep the older long version and still use future repair/upgrade parts?

After thinking about it I kind of like the longer "volumizer" look.

[corrupt123]

i aswell, just for ease of use. will there be any chance of the older, longer rod but with the cupseal style valve rather than the o-ring?

if i could spend change on a new rod, rather than money on a whole new valve kit, i'd be happier.

[Chris777]

Yep. Longer cup-sealed rods will be available as long as they are needed.

[tgaffner]

I wonder how much it will cost me to get the update....

[El Pirata]

And today after thinking about it we have decided to launch a basic version that does not have the adjustable LPR cap. It should be up on the site some time in the next couple of days.

The retail will be around $99, so that should make it more affordable. What we will able to upgrade people for has yet to be agreed but we will do our best.I wish I would have waited a few weeks before I bought mine to hear that.

[esandov]

Chris:

Despite all the problems with the original kit (which is only a couple of months old) I tried to stay the course and stick by your company. I feel that your company has been top notch so far and that is the exact perception that is currently projected. The news about a change for this kit to resolve DESIGN PROBLEMS and that the upgrade for previous owners would have a pricetag is upsetting.

Prievious owners have payed a hefty pricetag for your product because we placed our faith and trust in your company to deliver. Those who have already purchased the kit are some of the most vocal Angel community members. I just hope that your company takes this into consideration when you are setting the upgrade price for previous owners (IMO it should be manufacturer cost).

Ultimately, I think that you make an excellent product but I feel that $150 + Shipping was already a bit steep to ask us for any more.

[sharps990]

need upgrade now

sharps

[tgaffner]

Chris:

Despite all the problems with the original kit (which is only a couple of months old) I tried to stay the course and stick by your company. I feel that your company has been top notch so far and that is the exact perception that is currently projected. The news about a change for this kit to resolve DESIGN PROBLEMS and that the upgrade for previous owners would have a pricetag is upsetting.

Prievious owners have payed a hefty pricetag for your product because we placed our faith and trust in your company to deliver. Those who have already purchased the kit are some of the most vocal Angel community members. I just hope that your company takes this into consideration when you are setting the upgrade price for previous owners (IMO it should be manufacturer cost).

Ultimately, I think that you make an excellent product but I feel that $150 + Shipping was already a bit steep to ask us for any more.

I agree with everything he said!

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

i personally dont see it as unjust that the "upgrade" is not free... this issue always seems to come up... a product comes out, then later on improvements are made and people somehow feel they should be entitled to this upgrade, but thats not how it works... so please stop complaining, i think people take for granted how nice the guys at evolve are... atleast they are doing everything in their power to make this as affordable as possible without losing a lot of money... so please... no more of this i got jipped cuz they came out with a better version of wat i got... please...

[PouringPaintOn]

Wow, I'm glad I didn't buy one when I wanted to about a month back.

[DarkRipper]

I like mine as-is, as long as they are willing to replace the cup seal for free I'll continue to sing their praises.

The updated/upgraded newer model not being a free upgrade I can totally understand, as it's not entirely necessary for proper operation... what some people are asking for is like buying an 04 Mustang and then asking Ford to replace the sheet metal when the 05s come out...

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

exactly... if its not necessary for operation then stop complaining =)

[PouringPaintOn]

I like the old look better. So will evolve still be selling the old look with the fixed problems and the new ones or are they just selling the new ones?

[Chris777]

Where we have changed things because of an inherant fault with the design we replace the parts for free. We have always done that and will continue to do that, and i dont know many other Companies within the paintball industry that are so willing to put their hands up when they are wrong.

Where it is purely a cosmetic change in the design, then I do not believe we have a responsibilty to replace old designs for new. Blimey that could cost BMW some money!!

The Newton Valve was only ever sold as a performance add-on, indeed most of the comments made where that it looked horrible but, (aside from the O ring) worked great.

Its difficult to know how we could have done more regarding our customer service without coming round and fitting each kit ourselves.

[PouringPaintOn]

Yeah. It's like buying an A4 and wanting WDP to replace it with an A4 fly.

[Trigga Nometry]

Yeah. It's like buying an A4 and wanting WDP to replace it with an A4 fly.Wow, very good point!

[El Pirata]

Yeah. It's like buying an A4 and wanting WDP to replace it with an A4 fly.
You mean they won't? Gosh I was still waiting for the WDP van to stop by my house and have the Angel Escourts change my Speed for a Fly.

[Trigga Nometry]

I feel that a discount on the newer model kit’s parts (not the replacement parts for the first kit) is even more than I would expect. The only reason to possibly justify a free replacement part is due to a potential safety issue, of which there are none, or a design flaw. The o-ring seal works on the valve, but it fails with some use. The o-ring is what they should and stated that they WILL replace for free.

Remember that Evolve is going to be replacing the original o-ring valve part (that is failing over time) with the cup seal that will eliminate the o-ring failing. Evolve said that those that have the original kit will get the new cup seal part as a free replacement due to the o-ring design flaw.

In my opinion, Evolve's customer service is amazing. They are addressing the issues and will be sending out the solution. What more could you ask for? Sure it'll take some time designing AND manufacturing the new cup seal part. It should be well worth the wait.

Just my $0.02

[El Pirata]

If I was not being clear earlier I was being sarcastic. I think Evolve is doing more than enough by fixing the problem.

[Furby]

Agreed in full. Aside from the shredded orings, Evolve has been very good about making a good product in this instance and properly supporting it.

[sharps990]

what about the cone peice in the lpr

since from what i gather there is a hole drilled through the center, correct me if i am wrong on that, will that replaced as well so that it may help with drop-off

im glad i havnt had the problem with the shreading of orings but it has leaked from the valve...hopefully this will fix this problem

sharps

[Trigga Nometry]

I was contemplating the whole "hole" thing being drilled down the conce piece, that was not something that Evolve was working on. I actually have it done and plan trying it out this weekend. I have the new piece made rather than mess with my Newton cone/LPR part so as not to void my warranty.

[PouringPaintOn]

You mean they won't? Gosh I was still waiting for the WDP van to stop by my house and have the Angel Escourts change my Speed for a Fly.

I'm gonna get you man ...........one day ...I'm gonna get you. :ph34r:

[esandov]

To Evolve, my apologies.

My last post was just I being flustered. The original kit was a bit steep in price (for myself) and the news that after approx. 2 months there is a revised kit coming out was a bit disconcerting since I assume the new kit should work sans defects. I still do have a genuine concern that now that a new kit is out what will happen to support for this older kit?

The original kit was $155 + shipping not including things that have no price such as time, effort, paint, and the frustrations of its shortcomings. Hopefully, this new seal will make the kit work perfectly.

Finally, as I have said in all of my posts, Evolve has gone above and beyond all other manufactures in customer support. Top notch company IMHO.

[Chris777]

Apologies accepted.

And we hope that we will be equal to expectations from now on.

If not, we will apologise.

[El Pirata]

Chris,
I shot you guys an e-mail a few days ago because I bought my Evolve kit new from Andy of Richmond asking about a replacement o-ring and the permanent fix as well. Since I had no direct dealings with you and since I have not received a response I am wondering how I go about getting the replacement or just the fix.

[Twiggy]

Wait, is the new, improved and fixed evolve kit already out for sale?

[Chris777]

I have passed you message on to Gordon, he will sort you out.He's our head sorter outerer.

[Chris777]

Hhhhmmm. Newton Lite....i like the ring to that.

[PouringPaintOn]

Hey ...I want to order a new kit but I want to know how long it will take to get to Hawaii. Cuz when I tried to order one it didn't give me the choice of next or 2nd day air.

[Chris777]

contact gordon on sales@evolvepaintball.com. He's the man

[El Pirata]

I have passed you message on to Gordon, he will sort you out.He's our head sorter outerer.Ok coolness.

[DarkRipper]

Chris, how are you going to go about contacting Evolve users to get us the repair/replacement parts?

Thanks!

DR

[jwcardy]

i considered buying the evolve kit, but i was turned off by the whole madona look...i personally like the new look, and will definately think about getting it...so is it already out yet...if not, when can we expect it to hit the market...i dont think that those questions have been specifically answered yet...

[esandov]

Has a price been set for the replacement/upgrades for previous Evolve Newton Kit owners? I am assuming it would come with the shorter volumizer, valve stem replacement molded valve seat, and new all delrin hammer.

I personally like the longer Volumizer so will the new all delrin hammer be available for purchase by itself? Addtiionlly, will the new molded seat be compatible with the older stem or do I have to replace the entire long rod? Would it be wise to upgrade the whole kit for fear of not being able to get support for this older kit?

[Chris777]

Chris, how are you going to go about contacting Evolve users to get us the repair/replacement parts?

Thanks!

DR

Every direct sale through our website obviously left their e-mail address, and since not everyone is having the O ring problem we will leave it for those who want to go over to the cup seal to contact us.

[Chris777]

[QUOTE=esandov]Has a price been set for the replacement/upgrades for previous Evolve Newton Kit owners? I am assuming it would come with the shorter volumizer, valve stem replacement molded valve seat, and new all delrin hammer.

Upgrade price $ 35.00, see our web site which has details of all it contains. www.evolvepaintball.com. You will have to contact us through e-mail on sales@evolvepaintball.com since it will not be needed for long.

[DarkRipper]

Every direct sale through our website obviously left their e-mail address, and since not everyone is having the O ring problem we will leave it for those who want to go over to the cup seal to contact us.


I've left an email at that address with my information.

Thanks very much

DR

[esandov]

Evolve for parlament!

Chris for Prime Minister!

Evolve, great deal on the upgrade.

[sharps990]

Upgrade price $ 35.00, see our web site which has details of all it contains. www.evolvepaintball.com. You will have to contact us through e-mail on sales@evolvepaintball.com since it will not be needed for long.

where does it list this info...i cant find it anywhere

sharps

[streetluger56]

is there any way we will be able to get the older one? i kinda like the long look myself

[Chris777]

where does it list this info...i cant find it anywhere

sharps

It doesnt show it anywhere. just send an email to Gordon and he will do the rest.

[Chris777]

is there any way we will be able to get the older one? i kinda like the long look myself

Yes. I think we will keep a stock of the long volumiser just in case.

[fueks]

i am so pissed of there comming out with a new one i just got my evolve and the seal broke in the middle of a game shhhhhh was leaking out my valve dude. i think we should all get one for free

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

i think this has been covered, the new cup seals will be sent out to those who need them

[Twiggy]

So is the new version already out?

[El Pirata]

I think they are still working on the o-ring issue. I just got some replacement o-rings from them yesterday so I would be willing to bet if they are not sending out the fix for the o-ring issue then they probably are holding off the sale of the newer version.

[Trigga Nometry]

Anyone know the size and type of o-rings they are using? Are they urethane or something else? It is easy to get something that is much more durable but it probably would be that cost effective for Evolve.

Anyone know the sizes of the o-rings on the Newton valve?

[Chris777]

[QUOTE=trigger

Anyone know the sizes of the o-rings on the Newton valve?[/QUOTE]

O Ring 600-802-NI90.

[Chris777]

Should have the new version of the Newton valve back from the anodisers Tue/Wed, so once they have been checke3d over we will be sending them out.

Cheers

[esandov]

Chris

Sent an E-mail to Gordon.

For Clarification, the upgrade price for older kit owners is $35 and is pretty much the Newton Lite Kit (Short Vol, Short Stem, Molded Seal, 6g Hammer) shipping included.

Thanks for all that you have done.

Enrique Sandoval

[esandov]

Trigga, Pirata or anyone else....I was trying to find urithane o-rings of that specification but was unable to find them. Will somone let me know if you run into them?

This is from an e-mail from evolve:

The specification of the o-ring is:- 200-802-NI90 (4.76x1.78)
Please make sure you superglue them on and when the glue is dry put some
grease on !!


P.S. Trigga looking forward to your findings on the modified LPR adj. cone (Project: Ventilator).

[DarkRipper]

I received an email from Gordon requesting proof of purchase of the kit... not what I was expecting to see.

I was expecting to see a replacement part... odd that Pirata got his and I got the runaround.

What gives, Evolve? I like your product, but I don't like that email.

DR

[Trigga Nometry]

DarkRipper - Did you give them all your information that you orginally gave them when you first purchased the kit so they can match it up in their database?

[Jetwing@Impactpaintball]

u shouldnt take it personally, they are a business after all and they gotta take precautions from people submitting false claims... and since they are still a relatively small company, i suppose it is possible for some of them to remember who bought what by name/email address while other people they cant remember off the top of their heads...hence why they need some sort of record on ur part to help them verify who you are

[DarkRipper]

DarkRipper - Did you give them all your information that you orginally gave them when you first purchased the kit so they can match it up in their database?


I bought it second hand. I didn't give them any information when I purchased the kit.

If their warranty only applies to the first purchaser, that'd be a good thing to know.

[Chris777]

I bought it second hand. I didn't give them any information when I purchased the kit.

If their warranty only applies to the first purchaser, that'd be a good thing to know.

Because we will lose substancial amounts on the upgrade kit we need to be sure that people dont just pass around the olsd type and then claim a cheap upgrade. Therefore we have got to be sure how the valve was purchased and from whom. Sorry if it seems a drag but this whole thing will only work if we keep control of who gets what.

If you have the details of who you bought it from that would help

Cheers

[El Pirata]

Dark Ripper bought his from Andy of Richmond Riot.

[cody05]

can i use my stock long volumizer, cause the really long and uber short evlove ones dont tickle my fancy :yawn:

[esandov]

Cody...that isnt exactly a volumizer....it sort of doubles as an extened valve body since there is a spring at its tip for the valve stem.

[cody05]

oooo, so i cant use my volumizer :( oh well, gonna get the short one anyway

[DarkRipper]

Because we will lose substancial amounts on the upgrade kit we need to be sure that people dont just pass around the olsd type and then claim a cheap upgrade. Therefore we have got to be sure how the valve was purchased and from whom. Sorry if it seems a drag but this whole thing will only work if we keep control of who gets what.

If you have the details of who you bought it from that would help

Cheers


I told them in my initial email that I don't want the upgrade, I only want the replacement part.

[Speedy_in_Blue]

Chris - what do I need to send in the email so I can get my upgraded kit? Cause I deleted all the emails and what not, but I can send a copy of the paypal reciept(from the paypal site itself, not the one they send you). Would that work? The you can let me know and I can pay you or something, idk.




Because we will lose substancial amounts on the upgrade kit we need to be sure that people dont just pass around the olsd type and then claim a cheap upgrade. Therefore we have got to be sure how the valve was purchased and from whom. Sorry if it seems a drag but this whole thing will only work if we keep control of who gets what.

If you have the details of who you bought it from that would help

Cheers

[PouringPaintOn]

Ok guys, how do I get 1st or 2nd day air when I order my evolve kit?

[Speedy_in_Blue]

Just get the express shipping. I got an email last friday that they had shipped my Evolve Kit, and I got it monday. Very, very impressive. You gotta be there to sign for it though

[PouringPaintOn]

Just get the express shipping. I got an email last friday that they had shipped my Evolve Kit, and I got it monday. Very, very impressive. You gotta be there to sign for it though

Yeah but I live in Hawaii. Sometimes I gotta wait for a week for stuff that comes from Florida, isn't Evolve in England?

Also, I can't seem to choose what type of shipping I get, it just automatically puts $10 for shipping, but I know it's more than that for express.

[Speedy_in_Blue]

yeah, I live in indiana. If you get the express shipping, its guarentteed 3-4days, but like with me, it was even less!!